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| ksjackofalltrades - 2016-01-26 3:10 PM
Well how is she going to file stud reports on her stud if she is suspended? I guess they will just transfer him into someone else's name? Sure wouldn't want to breed to that stud now.
I wouldn't have wanted to breed to him in the first place. He wasn't anything near what the original stallion was. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | If the semen was USPS you might have mail fraud. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | I guess I dont understand what the hang up is on the part of the stallion owner that was the actual sire of the resulting foal. They can file an ammendment to the stallion report. So why havent they? Are they that stupid? Or is it because they didnt recieve their stud fee? If thats the case you would think the vet would at LEAST cover that beings though it was his mix up that cost you thousands and thousands. If the stallion owner were any kind of decient people ( or smart) they would be happy to have that mare in his book and waive the fee anyways for her. He'll never be bred to a mare of her calibre ever before and most likely, ever again. |
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| The details in this thread are ridiculous. When something doesn't make sense then there is usually a reason for that. Don't believe everything you read on the internet. |
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| VetTv - 2016-01-26 8:31 PM
The details in this thread are ridiculous. When something doesn't make sense then there is usually a reason for that. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
Actually, it does make sense. My family has been burned by "the best" and never even got an apology from that well known vet. There are 2 sides to every story, but we can't be expected to know the other side's story if they don't speak up. |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | VetTv - 2016-01-26 6:31 PM
The details in this thread are ridiculous. When something doesn't make sense then there is usually a reason for that. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
Well then, if you have first hand knowledge please share......
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The stallion owner and Vet are getting a lot of bad publicity, might want to clear things up, after all it's breeding season.
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| cheryl makofka - 2016-01-26 6:54 PM
cyount2009 - 2016-01-26 4:28 PM
cowboytravel - 2016-01-26 4:05 PM
AQHA says all they can do is suspend the stallion owners membership due to the fact that she didn't put Coconut on the breeders report. She can not be forced to release breeding certificate.
I would ask them to suspend her membership, simply for the sake of this whole ordeal. Then anything she owns would have to be transferred to register any offspring.
My understanding is if an Aqha membership is suspended they won't even allow transfers.
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| VetTv - 2016-01-26 8:31 PM
The details in this thread are ridiculous. When something doesn't make sense then there is usually a reason for that. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
The way I see it, only one person can be at fault. Either the wrong semen was shipped ----stallion owner at fault ---- or vet got semen mixed up --- vet at fault. I seriously do not think you can ask AQHA to suspend someone. Did you have a breeding contract? Never heard that mentioned. |
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| No thank you. I will not participate in this slander just because you asked me to. Doing the right thing and behaving professionally always prevails. This thread is an example of how not to behave. I am certain that the stud and the veterinarian have customers that support them. I am one of them. |
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| VetTv - 2016-01-26 9:11 PM
No thank you. I will not participate in this slander just because you asked me to. Doing the right thing and behaving professionally always prevails. This thread is an example of how not to behave. I am certain that the stud and the veterinarian have customers that support them. I am one of them.
The embryo owner, the op, is out 2 years of investment.
A 2500 pay out doesn't even come close.
It doesn't matter if you support the vet.
The op has the DNA proof he screwed up, he inserted his own stallions semen into the mare, not what was asked or payed for.
So he was payed for services not rendered, he inserted wrong semen
Stole valuable semen, as I don't believe the straws have been located
And the vet is not rectifying it.
Yes he needs to be suspended from Aqha and from the vet association.
It is twice as bad for him as he is also a stallion owner, and the vet. He is holding the chance for this foal to become something over a stud fee.
A grade colt will get his head cut off. And the vet could have prevented it by taking all necessary action to get the foal registered.
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Location: Grandfield, OK | Hey, Vet TV, not hiding anything here for sure. My name is Felicia Miller, We purchased 2 foals at 4 and 10 days old. They were both to be sired by Vegas Resort , 1 out of Pearl and 1 out of Pearl's sister Coconut. We bought the foals based on the fact of their breeding and one was a bay roan stallion and 1 a palomino stallion. We planned to use these 2 for breeding purposes, as that is what we do, raise and train the best calf horses alive. We had 3 this year at the NFR that we traiined and 1 other one that we raised, so obviously our breeding program is successful. The 2 mares were bred on the same day at a breeding facility in Texas. Semen was shipped from Dr. Leonard in West Plains, MO after it was collected from Vegas Resort. Both vials of semen were in the same box and were supposedly from the same semen collection. When I tried to register the foals, it was discovered one was correct, thankfully the one out of Pearl and the other one was found to be by the stallion Can't Bully This Guy, which is owned by the girlfriend of the vet we were told. Those are FACTS!!! I have been trying for a year to settle this. I applied for AQHA registration for both foals, got one and the other one has not been released due to the stallion owner. I have legal council. I tried to settle this in court and will eventually do so, however we will have to sue the gentleman that we bought the colts from, he in turn will have to see the gentleman that owned the stallion we contracted to buy the semen from and the stallion owner of the horse we wanted the babies to be by will have to sue the veterinarian. Big vivious ugly circle huh? We did not ask for an astronomical amount for financial restitution but obviously these were not cheap horses. Embryo horses are never cheap for a reason. It was an insult to offer us $2,500. It costs right at $5000 just for an embryo transfer when you include the price of the recip mare and vet charges. If you have any problems with any of this feel free to give me a call: 940-631-5007. Thanks :) |
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| Oh my goodness Cheryl. Did you really just say that the vet "stole" the straws? That is a prime example of why I commented on this thread. You and I are neither parties in this transaction. You do not KNOW what happened and neither do I. Behave accordingly. This should be handled by the parties involved and not in a chat forum. What is the purpose of this thread? Is this solving the situation? |
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I am not interested in calling for more information. I am sorry that this has happened for all involved. As I just mentioned, I am not you nor am I the vet. So I am not a party to this situation and my opinion is not important. I commented because I think this thread is unprofessional and not the "right" thing to do in this or any situation. I work with a professional company that works with veterinarians every day. There is a right and wrong way to handle this situation and this is not the right way. Nothing is accomplished with this method except for adding drama. If you want drama, then you are accomplishing what you want. Are you a drama queen? I hope not. If you want to waste time, then you are accomplishing that too. If you want to resolve the problem then take the professional route and act professional in the process. That is my 10 cents worth and I am out of this. Just hoping that someone has some integrity and acts like it. I am reporting this thread to the admin since my comment did not seem to help. Best wishes for you and your horses.
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| VetTv - 2016-01-26 10:22 PM
Oh my goodness Cheryl. Did you really just say that the vet "stole" the straws? That is a prime example of why I commented on this thread. You and I are neither parties in this transaction. You do not KNOW what happened and neither do I. Behave accordingly. This should be handled by the parties involved and not in a chat forum. What is the purpose of this thread? Is this solving the situation?
The straws were not inserted into the mare they were supposed to, so yes it can be considered theft unless he can provide the unused straws. |
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Location: Texas | VetTv - 2016-01-26 10:22 PM Oh my goodness Cheryl. Did you really just say that the vet "stole" the straws? That is a prime example of why I commented on this thread. You and I are neither parties in this transaction. You do not KNOW what happened and neither do I. Behave accordingly. This should be handled by the parties involved and not in a chat forum. What is the purpose of this thread? Is this solving the situation?
I think the purpose of this thread is to publicize what happened in order to effect a satisfactory solution, and shed light on the principles of the vet and stallion owner involved. It's working.
Slander = spoken word
Libel = written word
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Location: Texas | VetTv - 2016-01-26 11:43 PM I have never seen so many attorneys offering free services in one place! :)
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Location: Where I am happiest | Man VetTv, for someone who wasnt there, nor involved, you sure do have alot of opinions as to what did or didnt transpire and what we can or cant talk about on this board. What makes you so important? Just a FYI, we are all "friends" here and have been here for many years. Many of us do breed horses and compete on these horses and this right here is every breeders nightmare and worst fear. ESPECIALLY when you weigh in the years involved and the expence involved to get these high end foals on the ground. Then to find out the foal doesnt match the DNA for registration? The foal is sired by another horse the shipping vet stands, and a embryo from one of the best mares ( multiple NFR qualifier) on the planet? Now none of parties at fault is working with her to right this catostrophic and financially devistating situation and not even make the small consolation to at least take a first step to begine to right this wrong to register the resulting foal from this bungled mess? Are you kidding me??!!!! I wouldnt touch that stallion or vet with a 10 ft pole after this. Everybody can make a mistake, we are all human but to then not even try to make it right? No Thank's!!
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