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SKM - 2016-02-05 5:10 PM
The second rodeo goes main stream, you can kiss the tie down roping good bye. The general public will throw a fit about roping the poor baby cows around the neck and will scream that its animal abuse.
Rodeo was devoted on a way of life. That way of life is lost to 80% of the population that lives in the cities and thinks meat is grown on a styrofoam tray in a grocery store.
Those ERA guys were idiots for going on interviews and saying they would no longer support the Challenge rodeos because the ERA was more important. It doesn't take a genius to figure out those comments would ruffle the feathers of the PRCA.
Wonder why there is no bull riding roster for the ERA? Those bull riders didn't want to lose the ability of compete at the PBR. But the ERA didn't sue over it.
I'm sorry, but the only ones set to make a ton of money on the ERA are Tony and Charmayne. They are the only ones that stand nothing to lose. Look at that ERA page. It's mainly about Charmayne and how she is projected to be the first ERA World Champion. But hey, we do have a free market system so more power to them. I just find it ludicrous how you don't hear a peep from them. Sure hope the like of Trevor and Ryan don't take the fall for them. JMHO.
Pretty much my thoughts. I love my rodeo stars and their awesome animals be it rough stock or barrel horses, but rodeo is NEVER going to be the NBA or the NFL...for the reasons you listed.
We aren't mainstream enough to do what Tony is trying to promote. It just isn't going to happen. And yes, some of the guys that have been the most vocal in this may take the fall for others.
Lot's of bad blood here between the ERA guys that actually compete, and have the most to lose, that I'm not sure can be resolved quickly, yes very sad. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the large venues that were hosting ERA may have second thoughts.
Where's that popcorn icon???
Plus the fact that the ERA was going around and trying to steal the bigger PRCA rodeo's like Cody, WY.
Nothing like being the new kid and trying to steal the infrastructure of the PRCA by going to to committees and trying to sell yourself instead. The letter drafted by Cody and why they decided to stay with the PRCA was an interesting read. | |
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| According to what I read online it said 85% have committed to continue with the ERA. Who is not sticking with the ERA? | |
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| What should the ERA have done differently to eliminate any issue with the PRCA? Yes I know piggybacking off the PRCA is one of the things they should not do and of course not trying to take over already established PRCA rodeos. Would it have been better to just not be classified as an association & come out as a couple of big invitational rodeos and built up from there?
Does the PRCA take issue with RFDTV 's The American? In most of events the top 10 from the NFR get to compete. Is it because it is a one day event that it doesn't cause issue with the PRCA?
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Location: Gainesville, TX | sodapop - 2016-02-06 2:37 AM
What should the ERA have done differently to eliminate any issue with the PRCA? Yes I know piggybacking off the PRCA is one of the things they should not do and of course not trying to take over already established PRCA rodeos. Would it have been better to just not be classified as an association & come out as a couple of big invitational rodeos and built up from there?
Does the PRCA take issue with RFDTV 's The American? In most of events the top 10 from the NFR get to compete. Is it because it is a one day event that it doesn't cause issue with the PRCA?
No they got mad about that too as its dates clash with some of their major rodeos. | |
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| sodapop - 2016-02-06 2:37 AM
What should the ERA have done differently to eliminate any issue with the PRCA? Yes I know piggybacking off the PRCA is one of the things they should not do and of course not trying to take over already established PRCA rodeos. Would it have been better to just not be classified as an association & come out as a couple of big invitational rodeos and built up from there?
Does the PRCA take issue with RFDTV 's The American? In most of events the top 10 from the NFR get to compete. Is it because it is a one day event that it doesn't cause issue with the PRCA?
I understand the concept of 'owning' your own organization, it gives you more control. However, I think if they would have set it up differently, having fewer 'owners' and more 'managing directors,, the PRCA would have had less ground to stand on with their position. If the PRCA tried to ban any participant that simply belonged to another organization, that would not have held up. The invitational rodeo thing also is a great idea. The American for example, is going to be really important to some of these folks.
As far as the issue the PRCA had, I believe part of it was that they were going to use the PRCA infrastructure to build another orgnaization.
Since the ERA was set up as all owners, then the ERA needs to produce enough of their own rodeos to support their organization. But that takes time and resources to build, decades of time. That's what everyone of the ERA members used to get where they are. I live in Texas, where there are many big rodeos over the next few months. Fort Worth's final night is going to look way different than the go rounds looked.
Now that I've slept on this, I'm sad and disappointed. Not about the talent folks in Fort Worth, San Antonio and Houston won't see, but about the maybe 75% of the "ACTIVE" ERA guys that aren't Trevor or Ryan, or in the twilight of their career who have other sources of income. Cort Sheer for example. Can he make enough money on the 8 rodeos that are confirmed for '16? When folks get hurt, do they have a Justin Crisis fund? When you really stop and think about infrastructure it's HUGE. Maybe ERA has it, I don't know. And what if some of these big venues get nervous after this ruling? This thing could get tied up in court for a long time.
As far as 85% staying, it will be interesting to see how that plays out. Some of these younger guys could have problems, especially if they have a few bad rodeos....so what will they do? Get jobs back home while they wait for the next rodeo, which will probably look like what they did when they first started out. I don't think that's what they planned on when they signed up.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | chicks2 - 2016-02-06 8:18 AM
sodapop - 2016-02-06 2:37 AM
What should the ERA have done differently to eliminate any issue with the PRCA? Yes I know piggybacking off the PRCA is one of the things they should not do and of course not trying to take over already established PRCA rodeos. Would it have been better to just not be classified as an association & come out as a couple of big invitational rodeos and built up from there?
Does the PRCA take issue with RFDTV 's The American? In most of events the top 10 from the NFR get to compete. Is it because it is a one day event that it doesn't cause issue with the PRCA?
I understand the concept of 'owning' your own organization, it gives you more control. However, I think if they would have set it up differently, having fewer 'owners' and more 'managing directors,, the PRCA would have had less ground to stand on with their position. If the PRCA tried to ban any participant that simply belonged to another organization, that would not have held up. The invitational rodeo thing also is a great idea. The American for example, is going to be really important to some of these folks.
As far as the issue the PRCA had, I believe part of it was that they were going to use the PRCA infrastructure to build another orgnaization.
Since the ERA was set up as all owners, then the ERA needs to produce enough of their own rodeos to support their organization. But that takes time and resources to build, decades of time. That's what everyone of the ERA members used to get where they are. I live in Texas, where there are many big rodeos over the next few months. Fort Worth's final night is going to look way different than the go rounds looked.
Now that I've slept on this, I'm sad and disappointed. Not about the talent folks in Fort Worth, San Antonio and Houston won't see, but about the maybe 75% of the "ACTIVE" ERA guys that aren't Trevor or Ryan, or in the twilight of their career who have other sources of income. Cort Sheer for example. Can he make enough money on the 8 rodeos that are confirmed for '16? When folks get hurt, do they have a Justin Crisis fund? When you really stop and think about infrastructure it's HUGE. Maybe ERA has it, I don't know. And what if some of these big venues get nervous after this ruling? This thing could get tied up in court for a long time.
As far as 85% staying, it will be interesting to see how that plays out. Some of these younger guys could have problems, especially if they have a few bad rodeos....so what will they do? Get jobs back home while they wait for the next rodeo, which will probably look like what they did when they first started out. I don't think that's what they planned on when they signed up.
You make good points but I think if the ERA members had been "managing directors" instead of "owners" the PRCA would have just phrased their bylaws differently. | |
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| I think where the ERA screwed up was all those published interviews where all the contestants were saying how great the ERA was, how much better paying it was, how they would support the ERA rodeos instead of the PRCA Challenge rodeos, etc. They basically made it sound like the ERA was just the greatest thing ever and the PRCA was just a crap association that they might bless with their presence at some rodeos. To me, the ERA guys basically said, "We are too good for the PRCA so we are starting our own association to show them how it's done." So the PRCA basically said, fine. If you are so great and don't need the association that made you what you are, then we don't need you either.
Had they not kicked the PRCA in the teeth, this could have been a totally different situation. The ERA has gone out of it's way to antagonize the PRCA. These Cowboys in the ERA wanted change. They are getting it. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | At this point in time, I think you are all jumping the gun.....the judge did not "decide" the case....only the injunction against the ERA competing UNTIL the lawsuit against the PRCA for acting as a "monoploy" is settled......it is far from over......
Judge Lynn did NOT rule out that the ERA could have a case, saying that the "Plaintiffs have sufficiently and plausibly pled the existence of monopoly power."
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Location: The edge of no where | SKM - 2016-02-06 8:52 AM I think where the ERA screwed up was all those published interviews where all the contestants were saying how great the ERA was, how much better paying it was, how they would support the ERA rodeos instead of the PRCA Challenge rodeos, etc. They basically made it sound like the ERA was just the greatest thing ever and the PRCA was just a crap association that they might bless with their presence at some rodeos. To me, the ERA guys basically said, "We are too good for the PRCA so we are starting our own association to show them how it's done." So the PRCA basically said, fine. If you are so great and don't need the association that made you what you are, then we don't need you either. Had they not kicked the PRCA in the teeth, this could have been a totally different situation. The ERA has gone out of it's way to antagonize the PRCA. These Cowboys in the ERA wanted change. They are getting it.
Just a note on the Champions Challenge rodeos - I'm not sure how anyone can sell those things as fair. They allowed sponsors to draft whoever they like to their teams from I believe the top 15. I do know that Aaron T (2015 world champ header ) and Cody Teel (#2 bullrider 2015) did not get drafted to a team. How is that fair? You can prove yourself to be the best there is.....and not qualify. That $$$$ counts toward the NFR.
Most of the contestants have said the $$$ shouldn't count, but it's tough to give up a payday like that.
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Location: The edge of no where | oija - 2016-02-06 3:15 AM sodapop - 2016-02-06 2:37 AM What should the ERA have done differently to eliminate any issue with the PRCA? Yes I know piggybacking off the PRCA is one of the things they should not do and of course not trying to take over already established PRCA rodeos. Would it have been better to just not be classified as an association & come out as a couple of big invitational rodeos and built up from there?
Does the PRCA take issue with RFDTV 's The American? In most of events the top 10 from the NFR get to compete. Is it because it is a one day event that it doesn't cause issue with the PRCA?
No they got mad about that too as its dates clash with some of their major rodeos.
Here's how good they are at scheduling those things....San Antonio's short round is Sat night and Scottsdale is Sunday afternoon. It's a SOLID 17 hour drive. SA pays like a slot machine.
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| NJJ - 2016-02-06 9:01 AM At this point in time, I think you are all jumping the gun.....the judge did not "decide" the case....only the injunction against the ERA competing UNTIL the lawsuit against the PRCA for acting as a "monoploy" is settled......it is far from over......
Judge Lynn did NOT rule out that the ERA could have a case, saying that the "Plaintiffs have sufficiently and plausibly pled the existence of monopoly power."
It's not over but it's not looking good for the ERA. | |
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| TXBO - 2016-02-06 10:25 AM
NJJ - 2016-02-06 9:01 AM At this point in time, I think you are all jumping the gun.....the judge did not "decide" the case....only the injunction against the ERA competing UNTIL the lawsuit against the PRCA for acting as a "monoploy" is settled......it is far from over......
Judge Lynn did NOT rule out that the ERA could have a case, saying that the "Plaintiffs have sufficiently and plausibly pled the existence of monopoly power."
It's not over but it's not looking good for the ERA.
You are for sure right on one thing, it is far from over....and far takes a long time. I'm thinking the longer this drags out, the more of the younger, active guys are going to bail. Then if contestants go down, like the younger rough stock guys, will the venues bail? What will Fox Sports do? It isn't going to be pretty for anyone.
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Location: Midwest | TXBO - 2016-02-06 10:25 AM NJJ - 2016-02-06 9:01 AM At this point in time, I think you are all jumping the gun.....the judge did not "decide" the case....only the injunction against the ERA competing UNTIL the lawsuit against the PRCA for acting as a "monoploy" is settled......it is far from over......
Judge Lynn did NOT rule out that the ERA could have a case, saying that the "Plaintiffs have sufficiently and plausibly pled the existence of monopoly power."
It's not over but it's not looking good for the ERA.
Agree. If it looked better, the ERA wouldn't have lost the injunction.
I am not a rodeo person, but it seems like this could have been avoided if the ERA has done their press a bit differently... Or may I'm wrong | |
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I understand the concept of 'owning' your own organization, it gives you more control. However, I think if they would have set it up differently, having fewer 'owners' and more 'managing directors,, the PRCA would have had less ground to stand on with their position. If the PRCA tried to ban any participant that simply belonged to another organization, that would not have held up. The invitational rodeo thing also is a great idea. The American for example, is going to be really important to some of these folks. As far as the issue the PRCA had, I believe part of it was that they were going to use the PRCA infrastructure to build another orgnaization. Since the ERA was set up as all owners, then the ERA needs to produce enough of their own rodeos to support their organization. But that takes time and resources to build, decades of time. That's what everyone of the ERA members used to get where they are. I live in Texas, where there are many big rodeos over the next few months. Fort Worth's final night is going to look way different than the go rounds looked. Now that I've slept on this, I'm sad and disappointed. Not about the talent folks in Fort Worth, San Antonio and Houston won't see, but about the maybe 75% of the "ACTIVE" ERA guys that aren't Trevor or Ryan, or in the twilight of their career who have other sources of income. Cort Sheer for example. Can he make enough money on the 8 rodeos that are confirmed for '16? When folks get hurt, do they have a Justin Crisis fund? When you really stop and think about infrastructure it's HUGE. Maybe ERA has it, I don't know. And what if some of these big venues get nervous after this ruling? This thing could get tied up in court for a long time. As far as 85% staying, it will be interesting to see how that plays out. Some of these younger guys could have problems, especially if they have a few bad rodeos....so what will they do? Get jobs back home while they wait for the next rodeo, which will probably look like what they did when they first started out. I don't think that's what they planned on when they signed up.
I think this would have defeated their purpose of having income after their rodeo career has ended. They are looking at the future for themselves.
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Location: That part of Texas | TXBO - 2016-02-06 11:36 AM Ironically, a successful opening tour for ERA only hurts their case against PRCA.
This is true but ironically, losing the injunction makes it more possible for those who filed to show that they can't make a living because of the PRCA monopoly. The injunction was about the possibility of winning $X amount of money being the same -- the Judge just merely acknowledged the ERA's argument that people who are entered in those rodeos stand to win so much a year. With the injunction being dismissed, the ERA folks now have the ability to prove they are being damaged by not competing in both associations, that other people are affected in the industry and that the PRCA dominates to such a degree no new organization going against it can survive. Anything going wrong with the ERA is going to go against the PRCA argument that they don't basically have a stronghold on the industry and are limiting free trade. Injunction out = sh*t just got real. | |
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| Red Raider - 2016-02-06 12:04 PM TXBO - 2016-02-06 11:36 AM Ironically, a successful opening tour for ERA only hurts their case against PRCA. This is true but ironically, losing the injunction makes it more possible for those who filed to show that they can't make a living because of the PRCA monopoly. The injunction was about the possibility of winning $X amount of money being the same -- the Judge just merely acknowledged the ERA's argument that people who are entered in those rodeos stand to win so much a year. With the injunction being dismissed, the ERA folks now have the ability to prove they are being damaged by not competing in both associations, that other people are affected in the industry and that the PRCA dominates to such a degree no new organization going against it can survive. Anything going wrong with the ERA is going to go against the PRCA argument that they don't basically have a stronghold on the industry and are limiting free trade. Injunction out = sh*t just got real.
I was hoping you would comment Raider. I see your point. I also think ERA will have a successful launch. I think it's going to be very difficult to prove a barrier to entry with a full tour of successful rodeos and a TV contract.
I also think ERA has a real problem from the fact that they have solicited contestants and rodeos from PRCA. Many of the ERA tour events will compete with PRCA events and ERA is using intellectual property from PRCA for their qualifying. | |
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| I do like how the ERA used the guy that only won $40,000 at the NFR as their example, lol.
Yes, this thing is far from over and nothing has been decided yet. If this thing is drawn out long enough, those top guys won't be able to make the NFR. I thought I saw somewhere that Trevor had won about $20,000 and he now doesn't get that. Even if the ERA wins, those guys sitting home have severely cut their income at this point until this thing is decided in the courts. | |
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