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| soonergirl98 - 2016-03-11 11:43 PM
I have a grand of Peppy San Badger and she is my all time favorite horse to ride. No buck what so ever.
I worked with a PSB gelding, and he was a super mellow guy, not a buck in him. There are always exceptions to stereotypes. | |
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| I have always heard that First Down Dash were super smart and athletic. I own 2 grandsons, 1/2 brothers by same sire. They are incredibly smart and athletic. The oldest is out of a daughter of Reckless Dash and a TB mare. He can be emotional and gets strung out if you are. The other is out of an own daughter of Holland Ease and a Shawnee Bug mare. He's the sweetest thing ever but will also get strung out and emotional. HOWEVER, I do think some of it is a human problem early in their lives! | |
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| I don't buy into the stereotypes 3/4 generations back. Such as hancock being dirty buckers, there are very few who have Hancock close enough for it to impact.
I have 4 fdd grand babies, only one is semi hot, and she gets that from her daddy, as all mares by that stud have the same personalities/quirks.
I had 2 judge cash mares so dfc grand babies, both are cool as a cat.
I also have a sunfrost granddaughter who as a 3 yr old anyone could ride her maturity level is old.
Personally I look at the sire and dam's behaviour in addition to the offspring they have produced to give me an idea of what the colt will be like, and train accordingly.
Most of the stereotypes can be prevented if the horse goes into the appropriate hands. I have had a few that would have been blow ups if they were thumped on, and looking at the other "siblings" by the same stud or out of the same mare I have seen the behaviour has been passed down by one or the other. | |
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Location: Somewhere around here | I vaguely remember a Bedueno stereotype. Something like if you push them too hard too fast they really blow up on you? | |
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| cecollins0811 - 2016-03-12 2:24 PM I vaguely remember a Bedueno stereotype. Something like if you push them too hard too fast they really blow up on you?
I'm one of those who doesn't like Beduino's. I won't even own one with him on the papers. To each their own but nope, not for me. Not a fan.  | |
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| Agree about MJP's being pretty, smart, and kind! Mine is the easiest filly ever, not a ton of personality but she's growing into it! At 4 I would let anyone on her.
I will say this---Im learning a lot about PSSM and I really think a lot of bloodlines carry either type 1 or type 2 (which no one ever tests for type 2) and I can't help but think a lot of these lines are carriers! I know of a few popular horses that are carriers and not many people know that and although a lot of personality traits come from bloodlines, think about all of the other reasons a horse would act out too  | |
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Location: Where you need a paddle... Oregon! | I've heard the TEJ's are buckers, but I have a 14 year old that's TEJ on both the top and bottom and she wouldn't buck if she thought she'd pull a check doing it. She is kind of lazy, but has plenty of speed and likes to do speed events. She's quiet and only needs a small warm up and a lope both ways. Walks in and out of the arena on a loose rein with her head down. She's just fast going over the timer and coming back past it.
I ran into a gal last night who has an 11 year old gelding - same sire different dam. She said she can't get him to run for nothing, but he's a great trail horse and quiet as can be.
The lady who owned the stallion and the mare kept a gelding - same dam different sire and he was a terrible counterfeit bucker. Would ride fine for awhile and then spook at a shadow and turn into a renegade.
Had a Doc Bar, TEJ mare for a few years and she was hot, hot, hot. Super fast, a little fragile-minded, might buck if she was fresh and felt like she was not being allowed to do what she wanted. Sold her last year. She's 9 now and still hot as a 2 dollar pistol with her new owner.
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Location: SE Louisiana | cheryl makofka - 2016-03-12 10:47 AM
I don't buy into the stereotypes 3/4 generations back. Such as hancock being dirty buckers, there are very few who have Hancock close enough for it to impact.
I have 4 fdd grand babies, only one is semi hot, and she gets that from her daddy, as all mares by that stud have the same personalities/quirks.
I had 2 judge cash mares so dfc grand babies, both are cool as a cat.
I also have a sunfrost granddaughter who as a 3 yr old anyone could ride her maturity level is old.
Personally I look at the sire and dam's behaviour in addition to the offspring they have produced to give me an idea of what the colt will be like, and train accordingly.
Most of the stereotypes can be prevented if the horse goes into the appropriate hands. I have had a few that would have been blow ups if they were thumped on, and looking at the other "siblings" by the same stud or out of the same mare I have seen the behaviour has been passed down by one or the other.
If physical characteristics can carry that many generation, why not other things? | |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-03-12 2:49 AM
soonergirl98 - 2016-03-11 11:43 PM
I have a grand of Peppy San Badger and she is my all time favorite horse to ride. No buck what so ever.
I worked with a PSB gelding, and he was a super mellow guy, not a buck in him. There are always exceptions to stereotypes.
My 21 year old PSB gd bucked with me just last week. She is a sweetheart, but if she feels good she will get a little goosey. It's not meaness, and not a hard buck. I was happy she still felt that good, it's been a long time since she did it. She's also my favorite, but a little on the hot side. | |
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| quikchik - 2016-03-14 8:01 AM FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-03-12 2:49 AM soonergirl98 - 2016-03-11 11:43 PM I have a grand of Peppy San Badger and she is my all time favorite horse to ride. No buck what so ever. I worked with a PSB gelding, and he was a super mellow guy, not a buck in him. There are always exceptions to stereotypes. My 21 year old PSB gd bucked with me just last week. She is a sweetheart, but if she feels good she will get a little goosey. It's not meaness, and not a hard buck. I was happy she still felt that good, it's been a long time since she did it. She's also my favorite, but a little on the hot side.
Add my mare to the stereotype...LOL she is greatgd of PSB top and he is also a few gens back on the bottom side....every spring first ride back....she will buck - not mean, but bucks big, 6 or 7 leaps, then she is good for the year. She's been like this since I've had her at 4 and she is 9 now.
My father in laws PSB mare....now she will buck....buck you off any day of the week if she feels like it. Not my favorite horse by any means, LOL.
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spitzh - 2016-03-11 2:04 PM Had a Special Effort gelding, super nice temperament, in your pocket type of personality. Easy to train but he wasn't a trail horse by any means. He was all work in the arena but a nervous wreak trail riding. I could take him to a professional rodeo and he wouldn't bat an eye at anything (i.e. bulls, noises, etc) but if a bunny jumped out while on a trail he would spook. I heard of Firewater Flits being the "go to" breed when training.
Funny you say that, I've had several Special Efforts that were all the same way. They had phenomenal personalities but scared of their shadows unless they were making a run.
My special effort gelding is a putz and nothing phases him. He will make a good kids horse. Based off how he is built tho, he's one where you "breed the best to the best and hope for the best" but hoping wasnt enough..he's rather sorry looking : )
Very neat to hear how similar they are...My Special Effort is dead to the world 99% of the time but there is that 1% spook that will show up every now and then. And it could be something so minor like a branch moving in the woods! Plus he's a sensitive boy. If I yell at him or swat him on the but he pouts like a child.
My mom had a Hancock mare that was awesome. She could go from running a set of barrels to showing in a pleasure class but she was a one in million anyways.
I had a Beduino gelding that was big and beautiful...thank god he had that going for him because he was POS otherwise.
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| We need an acronym legend. When people use acronyms when it comes to studs, MOST of the time, I haven't a CLUE who they are talking about - but I'm SLOW like that! | |
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| Griz - 2016-03-14 10:04 AM
We need an acronym legend. When people use acronyms when it comes to studs, MOST of the time, I haven't a CLUE who they are talking about - but I'm SLOW like that!
Me too! I've been racking my brain all morning for what TEJ means?!?!?
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| I heard Sun Frosts are too easy to train, Fire Water Flits are too easy to sell and Dash Ta Fames are too fast. But that is just hear-say. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | IdahoBarrelRacer756 - 2016-03-14 11:14 AM
Griz - 2016-03-14 10:04 AM
We need an acronym legend. When people use acronyms when it comes to studs, MOST of the time, I haven't a CLUE who they are talking about - but I'm SLOW like that!
Me too! I've been racking my brain all morning for what TEJ means?!?!?
Something Easy Jet?
That's what Google is for... just be sure to enter the word 'Stallion'. (but even I know that TEJ is Two Eyed Jack)
Notice how they violated his tail....
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Location: texas | Lady - 2016-03-12 10:39 PM
I've heard the TEJ's are buckers, but I have a 14 year old that's TEJ on both the top and bottom and she wouldn't buck if she thought she'd pull a check doing it. She is kind of lazy, but has plenty of speed and likes to do speed events. She's quiet and only needs a small warm up and a lope both ways. Walks in and out of the arena on a loose rein with her head down. She's just fast going over the timer and coming back past it.
I ran into a gal last night who has an 11 year old gelding - same sire different dam. She said she can't get him to run for nothing, but he's a great trail horse and quiet as can be.
The lady who owned the stallion and the mare kept a gelding - same dam different sire and he was a terrible counterfeit bucker. Would ride fine for awhile and then spook at a shadow and turn into a renegade.
Had a Doc Bar, TEJ mare for a few years and she was hot, hot, hot. Super fast, a little fragile-minded, might buck if she was fresh and felt like she was not being allowed to do what she wanted. Sold her last year. She's 9 now and still hot as a 2 dollar pistol with her new owner.
This right here....
My 4yo bay mare is lazy, walks around w nose in dirt, i have to make her be up on the bit, will walk n and out of the arena after running a set, she got the gas n the tank but dont like to use it.... And ya u could run speed events then turn around and show halter and showmanship w her....
She is not my kind of horse, i prefer little hot over lazy and having to ask for every step, to me thats not fun....
She is for sale, any takers????? She is a gorgeous bay :)
She is a product of OSU vet school breeding program, have had zero luck finding out any info on her dam and sire :(
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Location: The South | Wow! I'm so glad that the post made it this far without an argument! 
Here's my opinion on lines. And yes, I have owned and ridden and trained for right at 20 years now, with extensive research into lines the last several years as an adult.
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Skipper W - COULD NOT PAY me to own another one of these little cheats. Sneaky smart bastards, but mean too.
Peppy San Badger - I have two in my barn, and it is my absolute favorite line. I love their looks, their bone and their personalities. The mare was a bucker when I got her as a 6 year old, and I had to use a LOT of patience to get her to the point she is now at 8. Once upon a time, when you got on her, you'd best be prepared for a hump in her back for a good 5 minutes until she relaxed. Now she rides off on a lose rein with no back hump what-so-ever and I trust her enough to ride her with my coming 3 year old daughter in front of me in the saddle wherever we want to go... show, trails, etc. But it took a TON of patience to get her there. My 13 year old gelding is a local 1D champ and has done well in the super shows in the past running 2D against some of the same horses he beats at home. He does not do enclosed coliseums for whatever reason. No buck to him unless he's feeling really good and then it's just a pop and back to work. Both of them are workers and smart at figuring out whatever I want them to do.
Dash for Cash - I have been around several... Most of them are too hot for me. My sister has a Dash for Perks son that is an exception to the rule because of his dam I think. His maternal half sister is a Corona Cartel grand-daughter and she's also very quiet and easy to train. I don't care for Dashing Seis most of the time, but with maturity they get better. I am breeding to a Dash Ta Fame son this spring who has a very easy going personality and his owner lets her daughter run him at big shows.
Doc Bar - Usually they are too far back, but I've been around two that were on the papers. Not my favorite line, but most horses have a touch of it, so whatever.
Poco Bueno/Poco Tivio - Seem to be hard workers and easy to work with. Calm down very quickly after a workout.
Two Eyed Jack - No thank you. Sister has one that is very intelligent, but squirrelly at shows. Very on the muscle. Used to be a renegade, but she took a lot of time to get him where he is currently. Very much a 1 person horse.
Grey Badger II - We had a mare that was a granddaughter. She was a 1 person horse period and very quirky about several things like tying and loading and running barrels, but she was one of the most powerful horses I've ever thrown a leg over even at 22 years old when I got to high lope her across a pasture.
King (linebred) - Extremely smart, powerful and fast. Was a WITCH to everything else in the pasture, but a worker for her humans. | |
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Location: Central Washington | spitzh - 2016-03-11 12:04 PM Had a Special Effort gelding, super nice temperament, in your pocket type of personality. Easy to train but he wasn't a trail horse by any means. He was all work in the arena but a nervous wreak trail riding. I could take him to a professional rodeo and he wouldn't bat an eye at anything (i.e. bulls, noises, etc) but if a bunny jumped out while on a trail he would spook. I heard of Firewater Flits being the "go to" breed when training.
I think this goes with Flit Bar in general. From my experience anyway. Love love love! | |
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Location: Where you need a paddle... Oregon! | teamthompson - 2016-03-14 1:18 PM
Lady - 2016-03-12 10:39 PM
I've heard the TEJ's are buckers, but I have a 14 year old that's TEJ on both the top and bottom and she wouldn't buck if she thought she'd pull a check doing it. She is kind of lazy, but has plenty of speed and likes to do speed events. She's quiet and only needs a small warm up and a lope both ways. Walks in and out of the arena on a loose rein with her head down. She's just fast going over the timer and coming back past it.
I ran into a gal last night who has an 11 year old gelding - same sire different dam. She said she can't get him to run for nothing, but he's a great trail horse and quiet as can be.
The lady who owned the stallion and the mare kept a gelding - same dam different sire and he was a terrible counterfeit bucker. Would ride fine for awhile and then spook at a shadow and turn into a renegade.
Had a Doc Bar, TEJ mare for a few years and she was hot, hot, hot. Super fast, a little fragile-minded, might buck if she was fresh and felt like she was not being allowed to do what she wanted. Sold her last year. She's 9 now and still hot as a 2 dollar pistol with her new owner.
This right here....
My 4yo bay mare is lazy, walks around w nose in dirt, i have to make her be up on the bit, will walk n and out of the arena after running a set, she got the gas n the tank but dont like to use it.... And ya u could run speed events then turn around and show halter and showmanship w her....
She is not my kind of horse, i prefer little hot over lazy and having to ask for every step, to me thats not fun....
She is for sale, any takers????? She is a gorgeous bay : )
She is a product of OSU vet school breeding program, have had zero luck finding out any info on her dam and sire : (
Holy smokes! She's the look I like :) And I like that temperament also... There are certainly times when I get tired of peddling my mare, I will be honest. But I have an appreciation for a nice horse that can win me money in mounted shooting, win me prizes in all gaming events, that I can snub a soggy sob to and drag, can team pen on, trail ride, camp out overnight, parades, drill team, flag runs, etc. and put my son on to do mounted shooting and then put my 6 year old granddaughter on. She's not the "sweetest" horse - and will pull her head away if you go to pet her, but she's reliable. And she's darned pretty. You could sell your beauty in a heartbeat. | |
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