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    Location: SP, Brazil | Frodo - 2016-03-22 3:30 PM
Sharp - 2016-03-22 6:16 AM Kylar is correct. The exportation of horse to Brazil has slowed down or almost stopped for three reasons. The main reason being that the dollar has gotten stronger and made the horses even more expensive. For example, a few years ago a $100,000 horse would have cost a brazilian $160,000 in brazilian dollars, today that same $100,000 horse would cost a brazilian $400,000 brazilian dollars. The second reason is that now with embryo transfer - usually 3-4 foals per year by top bred mares - and having the best stallions in the world, we can buy here better prospects than what we can find in the states and usually cheaper for the brazilian dollar. Third - and in my opinion, the most important - all the top studs have sent semen down here. FG, ASOF, DTF, Stoli, all of them. So we can breed here, and breed better mares (pedigree and/or records) than what we can find in the states and do it A LOT cheaper. The breeding programs here are unbelievable. There are several ranches with over 200 foals born per year. I dont know of anyone in the States that does it on that large of a scale and here there are several. As for the horses dying, a lot of the famous horses that died were bought at old ages to start with. Trust me when I tell you that nobody wants their investmant to die here and no they do not insure them. So it is not for insurance money. Sometimes its just accidents. I can tell you that many of the horses live AMAZING lives here. There is no snow, the grass is green all year round, and these farms give excellent care to these imported horses. Think of how many horses have died in the States? These things happen.
I think you can pull up a Youtube picture of Designer Red in Brazil.... paper thin and extremely lame in the front end. Β Taken at an ugly concretized Brazilian stable. Β
That was when he arrived after being in quarantine in USA. You should see him now!! He looks fabulous! I also own part of him. And am offended that you think he is not taken care of. He looks better than he ever has! |
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    Location: SP, Brazil | SKM - 2016-03-22 3:02 PM
Plain Eye Opening was dead within 6 months of going to Brazil. He wasn't an old horse. He was probably about 9. They said it was colic. Whatever it was, it was a sad deal.
But horses die everyday in USA from colic at every age. They dont just die from colic because they were imported from USA. I have imported 28 and none have died so far....  |
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    Location: SP, Brazil | This is where Designer Red lives. Yes...very ugly place....
http://www.ranchodasamericas.com.br/
Here is a picture of him taken a couple of years ago and I can tell you that he is MUCH FATTER now than in this picture.
http://www.ranchodasamericas.com.br/garanhao/designer-red
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| I also find it important that people know their information. Fiesta was rumored to have died there when she never actually shipped and died here.
I find the Brazil thing facinating and I am a tad jealous. Can I come visit?! |
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Can I come to visit??? OMG. |
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Stunning place!!! He looks fantastic. I'd love to live there, thanks for posting pics.
Horses colic and die everywhere - not just Brazil. It's just a sad fact. |
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That place looks amazing! I want to come for a visit! PLEEEEASE! :)
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I want to know what it is Brazilians feed.... I have been trying to get the secret for some time now!!! |
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| I think the brazilians have done an excellent job at finding, purchasing and importing high quality horses. They are also great photographers. lol The first horse is mine, I know, an excellent photo. The second one is her dam, who now resides in Brazil. Okay, this one is a little better quality.
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| Sharp - 2016-03-22 10:14 AM
SKM - 2016-03-22 3:02 PM
Plain Eye Opening was dead within 6 months of going to Brazil. He wasn't an old horse. He was probably about 9. They said it was colic. Whatever it was, it was a sad deal.
But horses die everyday in USA from colic at every age. They dont just die from colic because they were imported from USA. I have imported 28 and none have died so far.... 
You are right. Horses die all the time. I won't say that the Brazilians don't take care of their horses. I actually think they take very good care of them.
But you can't argue how many go to Brazil and are dead in a matter of months. Maybe it's the change in climate. Or the complete change in forage/feed. Or the difference in the drugs. But the total change for whatever reason seems to be tough on some when it comes to acclimating horses. You can try to argue all you want, but even taking horses from the lower elevation of TX or OK to 9,000 feet in CO is very hard on them. I can't imagine an entire continent change and hemisphere change NOT being hard on them. |
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    Location: SP, Brazil | Here they feed regular feed like what you guys have there, plus pasture, hay and alfalfa. But they have workers that brush the horses and bath the horses everyday for several months to take these pictures. Plus they use professional photographers. |
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| Sharp, how long have you resided in Brazil? Did you move there from the states? |
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| scwebster - 2016-03-22 3:24 PM
Sharp,Β howΒ long have you resided in Brazil? Did you move there from the states? Β
If Hillary wins, I am on my way. My bags are already packed. I think I can live there very lavishly on my retirement. |
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    Location: SP, Brazil | SKM - 2016-03-22 10:13 PM
Sharp - 2016-03-22 10:14 AM
SKM - 2016-03-22 3:02 PM
Plain Eye Opening was dead within 6 months of going to Brazil. He wasn't an old horse. He was probably about 9. They said it was colic. Whatever it was, it was a sad deal.
But horses die everyday in USA from colic at every age. They dont just die from colic because they were imported from USA. I have imported 28 and none have died so far.... 
You are right. Horses die all the time. I won't say that the Brazilians don't take care of their horses. I actually think they take very good care of them.
But you can't argue how many go to Brazil and are dead in a matter of months. Maybe it's the change in climate. Or the complete change in forage/feed. Or the difference in the drugs. But the total change for whatever reason seems to be tough on some when it comes to acclimating horses. You can try to argue all you want, but even taking horses from the lower elevation of TX or OK to 9,000 feet in CO is very hard on them. I can't imagine an entire continent change and hemisphere change NOT being hard on them.
Actually.......very few have died if you look at how many have been imported. Just a handful have died and thousands have been sent here. Believe me, I have seen horses in USA live in much worse conditions than the horses in Brazil, it would be easy for a Brazilian to say that most barrel horses live in slum conditions in the USA compared to how they live here. Just sayin.....dont say things until you know the facts. |
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| Sharp - 2016-03-22 3:15 PM
Here they feed regular feed like what you guys have there, plus pasture, hay and alfalfa. But they have workers that brush the horses and bath the horses everyday for several months to take these pictures. Plus they use professional photographers.
I know Brazil has Gros Orielle now...when he was here I had fit him as a yearling....the pictures of him after he was in Brazil, are WOW! He doesn't even look like the same horse!!!!
Everyone I spoke with said the same, brush, bathe, grain like the US, good hay and pasture, but he had that here and did not look near as good as he does in Brazil.... The quality must be alot better, or the weather...air...not sure what it is....or maybe its the supreme professional photographers |
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    Location: SP, Brazil | scwebster - 2016-03-22 10:24 PM
Sharp,Β howΒ long have you resided in Brazil? Did you move there from the states? Β
I have lived here for five years. I am originally from Oklahoma. I married a Brazilian and he wanted to move back to Brazil, so I came with him and brought my horses, not all just the ones that qualified and then I set up a breeding farm here with a partner and now I breed and train horses here in Brazil. |
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| Sharp - 2016-03-22 3:48 PM
SKM - 2016-03-22 10:13 PM
Sharp - 2016-03-22 10:14 AM
SKM - 2016-03-22 3:02 PM
Plain Eye Opening was dead within 6 months of going to Brazil. He wasn't an old horse. He was probably about 9. They said it was colic. Whatever it was, it was a sad deal.
But horses die everyday in USA from colic at every age. They dont just die from colic because they were imported from USA. I have imported 28 and none have died so far.... 
You are right. Horses die all the time. I won't say that the Brazilians don't take care of their horses. I actually think they take very good care of them.
But you can't argue how many go to Brazil and are dead in a matter of months. Maybe it's the change in climate. Or the complete change in forage/feed. Or the difference in the drugs. But the total change for whatever reason seems to be tough on some when it comes to acclimating horses. You can try to argue all you want, but even taking horses from the lower elevation of TX or OK to 9,000 feet in CO is very hard on them. I can't imagine an entire continent change and hemisphere change NOT being hard on them.
Actually.......very few have died if you look at how many have been imported. Just a handful have died and thousands have been sent here. Believe me, I have seen horses in USA live in much worse conditions than the horses in Brazil, it would be easy for a Brazilian to say that most barrel horses live in slum conditions in the USA compared to how they live here. Just sayin.....dont say things until you know the facts.
I really think the reason people think "so many" have died going to Brazil is because they are all such nice horses and many of them well known, so if one dies it is a big deal. Kind of like a celebrity getting married.
I have always thought that it would be an honor to have a horse of mine sold to Brazil. I wish I could go!! |
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    Location: SP, Brazil | Warriors Mom - 2016-03-22 10:48 PM
Sharp - 2016-03-22 3:15 PM
Here they feed regular feed like what you guys have there, plus pasture, hay and alfalfa. But they have workers that brush the horses and bath the horses everyday for several months to take these pictures. Plus they use professional photographers.
I know Brazil has Gros Orielle now...when he was here I had fit him as a yearling....the pictures of him after he was in Brazil, are WOW! He doesn't even look like the same horse!!!!
Everyone I spoke with said the same, brush, bathe, grain like the US, good hay and pasture, but he had that here and did not look near as good as he does in Brazil.... The quality must be alot better, or the weather...air...not sure what it is....or maybe its the supreme professional photographers
Keep in mind that the owners of these horses have workers that only do that. Brush, feed and clean these horses. We in the States have to do it ourselves, but here they pay people to do it, so the horses look better. They dont just brush once a day, but sometimes 3 to 5 times per day and here with the weather being so nice they never get long hair.
And remember that here the horses have green grass all year round, no snow, no sleet and dramatic temperature changes. |
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| Sharp- I'm trying to talk hubby into a trip as we speak. Is there a specific area that is "horsey" or where we could see some barrel races? I've always wanted to go, but have never known where to go! |
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    Location: SP, Brazil | Skeetersmom - 2016-03-23 1:06 AM
Sharp- I'm trying to talk hubby into a trip as we speak. Is there a specific area that is "horsey" or where we could see some barrel races? I've always wanted to go, but have never known where to go!
Yes. The state of SΓ£o Paulo. Where I live, in a city called Bauru, it is considered the heart of quarter horse country. Lots of breeders and trainers in my area. There are some near Rio also. Depends on what you were planning for your vacation.
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