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Location: Kentucky | FLITASTIC - 2016-04-05 1:04 PM Murphy - 2016-04-05 9:40 AM readytorodeo - 2016-04-01 5:33 PM Look into Tribute feeds. I feed Tribute feeds to my.ulcer.prone horse. Love it. I feed Tribute Kalm N EZ, love it. Has anyone had success ordering the Tribute feeds from AMazon????? They have a good no molasses, Low starch option that might be easier for me than mixing my own mix.
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| Murphy - 2016-04-05 12:38 PM
FLITASTIC - 2016-04-05 1:04 PM Murphy - 2016-04-05 9:40 AM readytorodeo - 2016-04-01 5:33 PM Look into Tribute feeds. I feed Tribute feeds to my.ulcer.prone horse. Love it. I feed Tribute Kalm N EZ, love it. Has anyone had success ordering the Tribute feeds from AMazon????? They have a good no molasses, Low starch option that might be easier for me than mixing my own mix.
I order it from amazon and as far as cost goes for us out here in Montana it doesn't cost anymore than buying what is in the stores. I know if you are closer to the factory you can buy cheaper than amazon. It cost alot to ship straight from Kalmbach and last I checked you needed to be a dealer to do so. We are now going to be dealers because I love the feed so much. |
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| ajs2002 - 2016-04-05 10:32 AM
FLITASTIC - 2016-04-05 1:04 PM Murphy - 2016-04-05 9:40 AM readytorodeo - 2016-04-01 5:33 PM Look into Tribute feeds. I feed Tribute feeds to my.ulcer.prone horse. Love it. I feed Tribute Kalm N EZ, love it. Has anyone had success ordering the Tribute feeds from AMazon????? They have a good no molasses, Low starch option that might be easier for me than mixing my own mix.
As for ordering it from Amazon never even thought of it until someone mentioned it on here. It is about $10 more per bag on Amazon then what I pay at my local feed store. So that free shipping isn't really free. You might be able to just call Kalmbach feeds yourself and see what it would cost to get some delivered to you.
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Thanks!! I'm half the country away from the nearest dealer. lol |
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Location: Willows, CA | I talk to a lot of people about ulcers, and many of you here have heard me bring this point up before. But, I can't overstate this enough. So here it is again.
If you have done all the standard things to manage your horses diet and environment to minimize the chances of ulcers, like roughage available 24/7, eliminate grain based feeds, provide daily turn out time, and they still have the problem, you need to look in the mouth. Teeth problems are the most commonly unidentified contributor to ulcers for several reasons.
A horse can make over 12 gallons of saliva per day. This is one of the natural buffers to maintain the proper acidity in the stomach. This, along with a constant roughage mat in the stomach prevents excess acid from inflaming the upper, non glandular tissue in the upper portion of the stomach. Once that tissue is inflamed it can ulcerate, develop a bacterial infection that keeps in from healing, and your ulcer problem then spins out of control.
A horse makes acid in the stomach every second of the day, but a horse only makes saliva when it chews. If there is a rough edge on the outside of the upper molars or hooks on the inside of the lower molars, the inside of the cheek or the side of the tongue become sore and it hurts to chew. This in turn means that less saliva is produced, less roughage mat is generated and the stomach is totally out of balance.
So, if you do everything right and your horse still has ulcer issues, you need to treat the ulcers and find the issue that is missing from your management of the horse that is allowing the ulcers to return.
I most of the cases that we deal with, the most often missed one is the teeth.
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-04-05 1:17 PM
Awesome thanks. Is the feed Fresh when it gets to you from amazon?
It has always been good. It usually ships from various feed stores I think. They are really good to talk to if you have questions about what feed is best for you. |
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FLITASTIC - 2016-04-05 1:17 PM
Awesome thanks. Is the feed Fresh when it gets to you from amazon?
It has always been good. It usually ships from various feed stores I think. They are really good to talk to if you have questions about what feed is best for you.
When I looked into getting it from Amazon, it was $24.99 and it said it ships from Kalmbach, free shipping. However it wouldn't be able to be delivered till mid April. |
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Location: IL | Does any one know if Healthy Coat for horses prevents ulcers? |
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| Kizzy_177 - 2016-04-06 2:01 PM
Does any one know if Healthy Coat for horses prevents ulcers?
There are no ingredients in that supplement that I can see that would prevent ulcers. Its not an acid buffer or GI tract protectant. It is a good vit/min supplement so might help the overall well being of the horse and in a way prevent, but not directly. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | My mare was showing ulcer symptoms when I first got her 4 years ago. Dull coat, poor appetite (rarely finished what small amount of grain she was getting and never finished her hay ever no matter what kind I fed), muscles were really tight and she was very irritable especially when it came to being brushed. On top of that she needed some serious chirp work. She had been off for a year but was incredibly sore so I think that played a role in the ulcers (plus she's a worrier).
I treated her for ulcers but still couldn't get her to eat. She was eating Strategy Healthy Edge and she didn't seem to care for it. I tried her on Ultium and it was the same story. I tried adding just the amplify nuggets to dry cob and same thing. With all of them she would eat maybe about 2 cups worth and leave the rest.
She's always had 24/7 turnout and I tried leaving hay in a hay bag all the time but it took her so long to eat it that it wasn't really helping.
The last time I treated her for ulcers (using omeprazole) I took her off all grains and just started her on beet pulp and alfalfa pellets along with SmartGut Ultra. She gets free choice Timothy hay all day along with flakes of alfalfa morning and night. She finishes up EVERYTHING. I've only treated her with omeprazole one more time in the last two years. Even when she's a little stressed out now she still cleans up all her food. |
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Location: Wherever They Send Me | CashNOut - 2016-04-05 9:29 PM
If you can get your hands on some "Digestzen" oil from Doterra. Best stuff ever, 6 drops morning & night.
This is my least favorite, favorite oil...smells like licorice - not a fan of licorice. But it seems to help when my stomach hurts. |
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Location: IL | FLITASTIC - 2016-04-06 6:27 PM
Kizzy_177 - 2016-04-06 2:01 PM
Does any one know if Healthy Coat for horses prevents ulcers?
There are no ingredients in that supplement that I can see that would prevent ulcers. Its not an acid buffer or GI tract protectant. It is a good vit/min supplement so might help the overall well being of the horse and in a way prevent, but not directly.
I found this interesting, has anyone read this before? I guess Healthy Coat has lecithin in it. I guess this is related more towards the use of bute though...
Lecithin to Inhibits Bute-Related Ulcers
by Juliet M. Getty, Ph.D.
Your horse is in pain and needs bute. Bute causes ulcers – this we know. But knowing how it damages the lining of the gastrointestinal tract is the key to knowing how to prevent its damaging impact.
Your horse’s stomach – an acid production machine
First, understand that most ulcers can easily be prevented by appreciating the way the horse’s stomach is designed. The lower portion (glandular region) is lined with a protective mucus layer, but the upper portion (squamous region) does not, which makes it especially vulnerable to stomach acid. Most ulcers occur here because the horse’s stomach continuously secretes acid, even when empty. A steady supply of forage – all the time, all day, and all night – will put the acid to its proper work and protect your horse’s stomach. This is the way horses are meant to eat – they are forage grazers.
But even when horses are fed properly, administering non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as bute (phenylbutazone), Banamine (flunixin meglumine), or aspirin, can create ulcerations along the entire gastrointestinal tract. This has to do with the way they reduce pain and inflammation. We tend to assume that it is bute itself that is directly irritating the stomach lining. In actuality, the damage happens after the bute has been absorbed. Bute inhibits the cyclooxygenase enzymes 1 and 2; some of these enzymes reduce the formation of various prostaglandins, some of which promote inflammation and pain. But others maintain the integrity of the entire digestive tract by stimulating the production of molecules known as phospholipids. Phospholipids form a barrier to help prevent stomach acid from damaging the underlying epithelium.
Antacids have a downside
Our tendency is to get rid of the acid by administering antacids, H2 blockers, or the proton-pump inhibitor omeprazole (GastroGard®). But stomach acid is actually important--it is there for two reasons: First, it is necessary to initiate the digestion of protein, a nutritionally critical function. Protein digestion provides amino acids (building blocks of protein) for your horse’s overall health. And second, acid is your horse’s primary defense against all of the microbes that he picks up off the ground, some of which are potentially infectious.
If ulcer prevention is your goal, it makes sense to replace the phospholipids that have been reduced by NSAIDs.
Enter, lecithin
Lecithin is the common term for a phospholipid known as “phosphatidyl choline” (PC). It is a naturally occurring substance; it is the most abundantly found phospholipid in animal and plant cell membranes, and is most commonly derived from soybeans. Chemically, it primarily consists of essential fatty acids (both omega 3 and omega 6) along with a molecule of choline (an essential B vitamin-like nutrient).
Lecithin has been well studied in its ability to treat ulcers. Researchers* at the University of Texas Health Science Center in Houston examined the administration of PC along with NSAIDs and found that not only does PC significantly reduce gastrointestinal injury, but in some cases, it even eliminated gastrointestinal ulcerations. Furthermore, it offers this protection without altering the efficacy of bute (or other NSAID).
Lecithin is easy to feed
You can buy lecithin granules in any health food store, or in bulk through online providers such as BulkFoods.com. I recommend offering ½ to ¾ cup of lecithin with each dose of bute (for a 1000 lb horse). It can be mixed with any feed and is quite palatable. Another option is SBS Equine Products’ lecithin-based supplement called “Starting Gate.”
In addition to offering gastrointestinal protection, lecithin boosts the health of all cell membranes, including those of skin, hair, and hooves. And the body can also use the choline component to produce acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter necessary for proper neuromuscular function.
Summary
When pain relief is necessary and you rely on an NSAID such as bute, protect your horse’s digestive tract by replacing what bute diminishes—phospholipids found in the epithelial layer of the digestive tract. Phospholipids act as a barrier to acid damage. Lecithin (phospahatidyl choline) is a naturally-occurring phospholipid that can be easily supplemented to protect your horse against ulcers.
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Location: Mi | I'm a Tribute Dealer and would be happy to help with any questions if I can. I haven't had any shipped through Amazon but I will say that the product is always fresh when we recieve it and has a 6 month shelf life (as long as the feed isn't wet, or its terribly hot, or humid). You can get shipments drop shipped to you, but unless it has changed a dealer has to do that for you. Like we sell to a farm 2 hours away and we have a ton drop shipped to them every so many weeks and as a dealer you have to order 3 tons at a time minimum. Kalmbach has been wonderful to work with, and very helpful with any questions we have had. Dr. Burke which is the nutritionist that formulated the Tribute feed has so much knowlege, I've been to several of his seminars and learn something else everytime. Tribute also makes a Pre/probiotic thats called Equi-Ferm XL and although every Tribute feed has a recommended maintance dose formulated into it, we've had sucess with feeding it as a top dress also to ulcer prone horses. |
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Location: OH. IO | Ahmac - 2016-04-07 12:12 PM
I'm a Tribute Dealer and would be happy to help with any questions if I can.  I haven't had any shipped through Amazon but I will say that the product is always fresh when we recieve it and has a 6 month shelf life (as long as the feed isn't wet, or its terribly hot, or humid).  You can get shipments drop shipped to you, but unless it has changed a dealer has to do that for you. Like we sell to a farm 2 hours away and we have a ton drop shipped to them every so many weeks and as a dealer you have to order 3 tons at a time minimum. Kalmbach has been wonderful to work with, and very helpful with any questions we have had. Dr. Burke which is the nutritionist that formulated the Tribute feed has so much knowlege, I've been to several of his seminars and learn something else everytime.   Tribute also makes a Pre/probiotic thats called Equi-Ferm XL and although every Tribute feed has a recommended maintance dose formulated into it,  we've had sucess with feeding it as a top dress also to ulcer prone horses.Â
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| want2chase3 - 2016-04-06 3:01 PM
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FLITASTIC - 2016-04-05 1:17 PM
Awesome thanks. Is the feed Fresh when it gets to you from amazon?
It has always been good. It usually ships from various feed stores I think. They are really good to talk to if you have questions about what feed is best for you.
When I looked into getting it from Amazon, it was $24.99 and it said it ships from Kalmbach, free shipping. However it wouldn't be able to be delivered till mid April.
Some does and I have gotten some from other stores as well. Where are you at? |
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