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Location: Kentucky | Gunner11 - 2016-04-15 11:29 AM I just have an issue with people who haul their stud and then expect mare owners to accommodate them. Several years ago I was in the holding area for the grand entry for a very large rodeo and a woman was standing in the corner on her horse, and someone on a mare parked right in front of her. She said "excuse me, this is a stud", implying the mare needed to leave the area. This woman KNEW she was going to be crammed in a small area with lots of other horses, I have no idea why she chose to bring her stud to the grand entry knowing it might be a problem. I saw a video not long ago of a group of riders, and one was on a stud that MOUNTED a mare with someone on her! They were just laughing like it was so funny and I'm just 
I disagree. It sounds like the lady with the stallion was being responsible, being alone in a corner. Parking a mare right in front of a stallion is a gamble, even with the best behaved stallions. Sounds like she was just being cautious. | |
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Location: N Texas | Murphy - 2016-04-15 11:51 AM
Gunner11 - 2016-04-15 11:29 AM I just have an issue with people who haul their stud and then expect mare owners to accommodate them. Several years ago I was in the holding area for the grand entry for a very large rodeo and a woman was standing in the corner on her horse, and someone on a mare parked right in front of her. She said "excuse me, this is a stud", implying the mare needed to leave the area. This woman KNEW she was going to be crammed in a small area with lots of other horses, I have no idea why she chose to bring her stud to the grand entry knowing it might be a problem. I saw a video not long ago of a group of riders, and one was on a stud that MOUNTED a mare with someone on her! They were just laughing like it was so funny and I'm just
I get what you're saying, but the mare owner had no idea it was a stud until the lady said something. My point is, if you unnecessarily bring a stud out in public, especially in a congested area, then you can't really expect everyone else to accommodate you. IDK, I guess it irked me because she acted like she was special because her horse had cajones. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | I guess most of the people here were BORN knowing how to deal with a stallion. The OP didn't ask to be bashed because she was not born that way. She asked for help. Not to be shunted and shamed or told to geld her horse. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Gunner11 - 2016-04-15 1:43 PM
Murphy - 2016-04-15 11:51 AM
Gunner11 - 2016-04-15 11:29 AM I just have an issue with people who haul their stud and then expect mare owners to accommodate them. Several years ago I was in the holding area for the grand entry for a very large rodeo and a woman was standing in the corner on her horse, and someone on a mare parked right in front of her. She said "excuse me, this is a stud", implying the mare needed to leave the area. This woman KNEW she was going to be crammed in a small area with lots of other horses, I have no idea why she chose to bring her stud to the grand entry knowing it might be a problem. I saw a video not long ago of a group of riders, and one was on a stud that MOUNTED a mare with someone on her! They were just laughing like it was so funny and I'm just
I get what you're saying, but the mare owner had no idea it was a stud until the lady said something. My point is, if you unnecessarily bring a stud out in public, especially in a congested area, then you can't really expect everyone else to accommodate you. IDK, I guess it irked me because she acted like she was special because her horse had cajones.
Not every one is going to know its a stud, to me if you have to worry about someone getting to near you when its a stud that they are riding and your on a mare/gelding then you do have a problem. My worrys are about the children that are riding and get to near.. NOT everyone is going to know that studs are being riden at any events. | |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-15 2:16 PM
Gunner11 - 2016-04-15 1:43 PM
Murphy - 2016-04-15 11:51 AM
Gunner11 - 2016-04-15 11:29 AM I just have an issue with people who haul their stud and then expect mare owners to accommodate them. Several years ago I was in the holding area for the grand entry for a very large rodeo and a woman was standing in the corner on her horse, and someone on a mare parked right in front of her. She said "excuse me, this is a stud", implying the mare needed to leave the area. This woman KNEW she was going to be crammed in a small area with lots of other horses, I have no idea why she chose to bring her stud to the grand entry knowing it might be a problem. I saw a video not long ago of a group of riders, and one was on a stud that MOUNTED a mare with someone on her! They were just laughing like it was so funny and I'm just
I get what you're saying, but the mare owner had no idea it was a stud until the lady said something. My point is, if you unnecessarily bring a stud out in public, especially in a congested area, then you can't really expect everyone else to accommodate you. IDK, I guess it irked me because she acted like she was special because her horse had cajones.
Not every one is going to know its a stud, to me if you have to worry about someone getting to near you when its a stud that they are riding and your on a mare/gelding then you do have a problem. My worrys are about the children that are riding and get to near.. NOT everyone is going to know that studs are being riden at any events.
Not only that... I guess everyone here can spot a proud-cut gelding when they see one. | |
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Location: North Dakota | I don't EVER see myself owning a stud .... but if I did, I would expect them to act no differently that the rest of my horses. Just because they are a stud doesn't give them a "free pass".
I borrowed my cousin's stud a couple times to carry flags at an indoor rodeo when I was doing the rodeo queen stuff. One time, it just so happened all the other queens were riding mares. We stood together (in close quarters) all night long. He never made one peep. No one would believe me when I told them he was a stud. So well-mannered (as he should be!!!).
So I guess that would be my answer to the OP's question. The training should be done at home so that he is a gentleman in public situations.
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Location: Way up North | Gunner11 - 2016-04-15 1:43 PM Murphy - 2016-04-15 11:51 AM Gunner11 - 2016-04-15 11:29 AM I just have an issue with people who haul their stud and then expect mare owners to accommodate them. Several years ago I was in the holding area for the grand entry for a very large rodeo and a woman was standing in the corner on her horse, and someone on a mare parked right in front of her. She said "excuse me, this is a stud", implying the mare needed to leave the area. This woman KNEW she was going to be crammed in a small area with lots of other horses, I have no idea why she chose to bring her stud to the grand entry knowing it might be a problem. I saw a video not long ago of a group of riders, and one was on a stud that MOUNTED a mare with someone on her! They were just laughing like it was so funny and I'm just I get what you're saying, but the mare owner had no idea it was a stud until the lady said something. My point is, if you unnecessarily bring a stud out in public, especially in a congested area, then you can't really expect everyone else to accommodate you. IDK, I guess it irked me because she acted like she was special because her horse had cajones.
To me it should be common courtesy to give other horses space, especially ones you do not know, and people have gotten so used to impeccably well behaved horses they don't think about safety anymore. The lady was clearly trying to make the best of the situation and not put the stud or anyone else in a losing situation. She stood in the corner and informed people it was a stud, seems like proper proccedure in that situation. The stud was probably very well behaved but that doesn't make it okay for someone else to invade his space. Studs are always held to a higher standard than the rest, they can stand perfect in the corner and people get mad they are there but no one says boo about the wench of a mare that keeps kicking at everyone.
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Location: SE Louisiana | AllAroundRider - 2016-04-15 3:42 PM
Gunner11 - 2016-04-15 1:43 PM Murphy - 2016-04-15 11:51 AM Gunner11 - 2016-04-15 11:29 AM I just have an issue with people who haul their stud and then expect mare owners to accommodate them. Several years ago I was in the holding area for the grand entry for a very large rodeo and a woman was standing in the corner on her horse, and someone on a mare parked right in front of her. She said "excuse me, this is a stud", implying the mare needed to leave the area. This woman KNEW she was going to be crammed in a small area with lots of other horses, I have no idea why she chose to bring her stud to the grand entry knowing it might be a problem. I saw a video not long ago of a group of riders, and one was on a stud that MOUNTED a mare with someone on her! They were just laughing like it was so funny and I'm just I get what you're saying, but the mare owner had no idea it was a stud until the lady said something. My point is, if you unnecessarily bring a stud out in public, especially in a congested area, then you can't really expect everyone else to accommodate you. IDK, I guess it irked me because she acted like she was special because her horse had cajones.
YES!! You Always give other horses room... You NEVER walk your horse directly behind an unknown horse... If you do....Expect the unexpected... it does not matter gelding, stallion, mare or yearling.... | |
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| I used to have a kicker. She got a pretty severe reprimand the first time it happened, and I never expected her to try it again. Even so, I didn't trust her not to and would warn people that she might kick. I would expect the same from a person riding a stallion in close quarters, not expecting special treatment but rather pointing it out so that people are aware just in case.
As far as tips for hauling a stallion, I have very limited experience. I was that person who said I'd never own one. And now I have a 3 year old colt! I would have to say that he was born with good manners and a good personality. He was pasture raised until he was a yearling, and can be turned out with geldings. There are mares across the fence, and as long as none of them are standing I haven't had to worry. Of course, I'm not going to chance anyone getting injured, so I'm mindful of where he is and what horses he is near. He has been hauled to town and stood at the trailer. What worries me is other people, and when I get serious about hauling him to jackpots I've considered getting some portable panels to put around him, not because I think he'll misbehave, but rather because I don't trust other people to pay attention.
I like the comment about using Vicks when hauling with a mare in heat out of fairness to the stallion. That seems pretty reasonable to me. I think consistency in expectations behavior-wise is important, and I've heard many say to reprimand quickly and firmly and then be done. My colt is in race training, and I've also ridden him in the warm up pen. He behaves like I would expect any 3 year old horse to. I'm not saying he doesn't have his moments, but he learns quickly which things are acceptable and which ones aren't. | |
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| I now have two studs. My older stud was a little testosterone driven in his first year on the road (5yo). For his happiness I coated his nostrils with vicks during the spring months. Distraction can be a great training tool too. After his first year he's only improved in leaps and bounds. Now he would rather flirt with a gelding than a mare in the warmup. My young stud hasn't started hauling, but I am thinking he's not going to have the same testosterone issue. At his trainers a few weels agp the farrier had several out and being worked on. After mine was done trainer asked the farrier how he liked the studs feet. Farrier asked, 'What stud?' That's Peon. He would rather please his person than pay attention to other horses. | |
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Location: Some where | I don't have any issues with Scorcho. I wouldn't put him around with others if he was anything less. It's just too dangerous, in my opinion. I don't mean your horse is dangerous. I just mean that you don't know what others around him may do. Children running up on you, etc. | |
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Location: California | komet. - 2016-04-15 12:07 PM
I guess most of the people here were BORN knowing how to deal with a stallion. The OP didn't ask to be bashed because she was not born that way. She asked for help. Not to be shunted and shamed or told to geld her horse.
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Location: LaBelle, Florida | Riding and handling a stallion you have to be hyper vigiliant to anything that can happen, not becuase of the stallion, but everyone else. A stallion has to be trained 10x better than the other horses. It is not fair, but it is a fact.
IF anything happens the stud will be blamed for it. Not the hussy mare that went into heat because she could smell a stallion in the area. Not the less trained gelding that decided to see if his rider was paying attention.
And usually, when this happens it is around the stud, who if he even makes a mistep, will be blamed for any incident that occurs.
I actually prefered riding my stallion over the other sexes. Once he understood the rules, he was the same day and day out.
I have ridden 2 different stallions and both were easy to train and ride in public. I never had to really get after them hard if they thought about crossing the line, just lay the spur on his side to remind him he was on my time.
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Location: Texas | kasaj2000 - 2016-04-17 9:20 AM
Riding and handling a stallion you have to be hyper vigiliant to anything that can happen, not becuase of the stallion, but everyone else. A stallion has to be trained 10x better than the other horses. It is not fair, but it is a fact.
IF anything happens the stud will be blamed for it. Not the hussy mare that went into heat because she could smell a stallion in the area. Not the less trained gelding that decided to see if his rider was paying attention.
And usually, when this happens it is around the stud, who if he even makes a mistep, will be blamed for any incident that occurs.
I actually prefered riding my stallion over the other sexes. Once he understood the rules, he was the same day and day out.
I have ridden 2 different stallions and both were easy to train and ride in public. I never had to really get after them hard if they thought about crossing the line, just lay the spur on his side to remind him he was on my time.
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| I am on my way home from a 3 day barrel race. I hauled my 3 yo stud with me to exhibition for the first time, along with my mare who is in raging heat (of course came in the day we left).
Prior to this weekend how I prepared: hauled him along a few times as a 2 yo to a rodeo and barrel race, he has an awesome foundation!- he is broke. I have trailered him several times closer to home, both alone and with my mare, and rode him at strange arenas, with other horses. I run a tight ship with him, but honestly it is all because of his foundation, there are no holes that he handles everything so well.
This weekend I left a slot in the trailer between him and my mare. I also requested a stall on the end for him so he wouldn't have horses on both sides of him. He was an angel from the get go. I rode him all over, from crazy warm up arena to packed holding pen to open arena and exhibitions. No one would have known he was a stud, or 3 yo. He's mature and there's no silly business. I agree with a previous poster, so far he's the same ride every time. I really enjoy him and he is smarter than your average horse. My plan was if he acted up in his stall, he'd be spending his time tied. I brought Vicks but never had a reason to use it. I wouldn't have brought him if I thought he wasn't ready. I wasn't worried about how he'd ride there, it was all of the other extra things you have to think about.
While I never announced to people that he was a stud, I was on high alert with everyone around me. In order to make it a positive experience for him, I would have removed myself from a bad situation (like a bad horse in the holding pen). But what I noticed the most is that people are just clueless- literally do not use their brain. Example: woman pushing stroller with baby through the holding pen, or people having absolutely no etiquette in the warm up pen (I had to question several times if they even knew which direction they wanted to go?) He handled it all perfectly- but I could not let my guard down for one second. I actually have rode many other 3 yo that would not have been able to handle it so well.
I have not bred him, nor do I plan on it until after his futurity year, if he's ready. I think that has been in my favor and glad we decided to do that. At bigger events, I would probably get a tack stall next to him to help prevent any potential problem, to keep the environment as positive as I can until he's more seasoned. It takes more thinking, and if they act up, half kill them for 30 seconds then let out go. I have no grey area- I keep things black and white. He would like to be my friend, but I keep it all business. Like a kid, I think he appreciates that and he is respectful.
This has been a great thread!
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | *almost there* - 2016-04-16 9:50 PM komet. - 2016-04-15 12:07 PM I guess most of the people here were BORN knowing how to deal with a stallion. The OP didn't ask to be bashed because she was not born that way. She asked for help. Not to be shunted and shamed or told to geld her horse.
I never cease to be amazed by the number of people who THINK they know how to handle a stud. | |
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| We are hauling a stud currently. We do not use any kind of scent mask. We do haul a mare along as well, but put a gelding between them in the trailer. He gets tied on the opposite side of the mare.
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Location: Somewhere in the USA | We hauled Lions Share Of Fame extensively and did not have any trouble. I think the key is to start young with them. If your trailer leaves your house he needs to be in it also turn them out with geldings expecially when they are young. I also agree that hauling the mares to the stallion to be bred is a key. Also a special halter to breed in and another halter to haul with. We never used a chain or anything with him while hauling and really didnt need any special considerations we also have hauled him with 7 head of mares at a time and never had an issue. We did however take precautions, such as parking off in a corner and tying him up with two halter ropes so that just in case he untied one there was another one that was out of reach for him to untie. I also will agree with a previous poster that to an extent they are born to be well mannered and some are just not. The biggest risk with hauling a stud is the liabilty and the others around you ie. horses getting loose from their trailer mainly. | |
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Location: Michigan | We've hauled (and continue to haul a stallion) for the past 17 years. He has manners but is always tied to the trailer with a neck rope - just in case. I never put him in a bad situation - cramped quarters - crowded holding pen etc. We park in quiet, non-congested areas - which is NOT up by the arena or the warm up arena. He does not need vicks in his nose. I've tried it a couple of times several years ago. Thought it made him act like he was "high". He hauls next to a gelding, but can haul next to mares if he has too. I am his rider and I'm also on the end of the AV when it's collection time.
Just use your head about it. Remember, people are lawsuit happy. It happened to a lady I know where her stallion got loose at a show, injured another horse and was injured himself. Turned into a large unhappy mess. She is no longer in horses. | |
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| Brrelhorse - 2016-04-19 2:59 PM
We've hauled (and continue to haul a stallion) for the past 17 years. He has manners but is always tied to the trailer with a neck rope - just in case. I never put him in a bad situation - cramped quarters - crowded holding pen etc. We park in quiet, non-congested areas - which is NOT up by the arena or the warm up arena. He does not need vicks in his nose. I've tried it a couple of times several years ago. Thought it made him act like he was "high". He hauls next to a gelding, but can haul next to mares if he has too. I am his rider and I'm also on the end of the AV when it's collection time.
Just use your head about it. Remember, people are lawsuit happy. It happened to a lady I know where her stallion got loose at a show, injured another horse and was injured himself. Turned into a large unhappy mess. She is no longer in horses.
Can you explain to me what the neck rope is? Thanks! | |
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