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Location: The edge of no where | rockette - 2016-04-19 3:00 PM NJJ - 2016-04-19 2:46 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 2:36 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:30 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:18 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:15 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:14 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:11 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:11 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-19 1:15 PM Another clone has hit the barrel horse world. I wonder what is in store for Double Latte - Mary Walker's clone of Latte?
Will he go to the pen, or just stand for stud?
In my opinion, she would be smart to run him. Too many others are cloning just to stand at stud. I think smart money is on running him. So you would just let him sit like the others?
They have everything to lose if they run him and he's a dud. And very little to gain if he's decent to good.
The odds are he never stacks up to the orginal. There is no proof that will happen. No barrel racing clone has completed. There is no basis for what might happen. Pretty expensive breeding dud to sit around. Go pony up a $100k and compete your tail off then. It's a bad biz decision to try it. That's why no one has. Why are you so defensive towards me? I just gave an opinion on clones not being completed on. As another poster pointed out they are competing on clones in other disciplines. Why do you have to be so nasty? You go breed to those clones since you think it is all going to be successful. Have you bred to a clone? Which one? Or why not? Slick By Design has just as much to lose to by continuing to complete, same as Firewaterontherocks. The are just as valuable as any clone, purchase price would be astounding.
Huh? Firewaterontherocks and Slick by Design both have outstanding resumes. Everyone knows barrel horses get hurt and can't stay at the top forever - but nothing will take away from what these 2 stallions have already won. It wouldn't matter to me if Slick never won another $1 running barrels, he's proven himself to be one bad cat in the pen. | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | rockette - 2016-04-19 4:00 PM NJJ - 2016-04-19 2:46 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 2:36 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:30 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:18 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:15 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:14 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:11 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:11 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-19 1:15 PM Another clone has hit the barrel horse world. I wonder what is in store for Double Latte - Mary Walker's clone of Latte?
Will he go to the pen, or just stand for stud?
In my opinion, she would be smart to run him. Too many others are cloning just to stand at stud. I think smart money is on running him. So you would just let him sit like the others?
They have everything to lose if they run him and he's a dud. And very little to gain if he's decent to good.
The odds are he never stacks up to the orginal. There is no proof that will happen. No barrel racing clone has completed. There is no basis for what might happen. Pretty expensive breeding dud to sit around. Go pony up a $100k and compete your tail off then. It's a bad biz decision to try it. That's why no one has. Why are you so defensive towards me? I just gave an opinion on clones not being completed on. As another poster pointed out they are competing on clones in other disciplines. Why do you have to be so nasty? You go breed to those clones since you think it is all going to be successful. Have you bred to a clone? Which one? Or why not? Slick By Design has just as much to lose to by continuing to complete, same as Firewaterontherocks. The are just as valuable as any clone, purchase price would be astounding.
you know what, you're right.
You have changed my mind
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | rockette - 2016-04-19 4:00 PM NJJ - 2016-04-19 2:46 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 2:36 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:30 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:18 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:15 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:14 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:11 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:11 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-19 1:15 PM Another clone has hit the barrel horse world. I wonder what is in store for Double Latte - Mary Walker's clone of Latte?
Will he go to the pen, or just stand for stud?
In my opinion, she would be smart to run him. Too many others are cloning just to stand at stud. I think smart money is on running him. So you would just let him sit like the others?
They have everything to lose if they run him and he's a dud. And very little to gain if he's decent to good.
The odds are he never stacks up to the orginal. There is no proof that will happen. No barrel racing clone has completed. There is no basis for what might happen. Pretty expensive breeding dud to sit around. Go pony up a $100k and compete your tail off then. It's a bad biz decision to try it. That's why no one has. Why are you so defensive towards me? I just gave an opinion on clones not being completed on. As another poster pointed out they are competing on clones in other disciplines. Why do you have to be so nasty? You go breed to those clones since you think it is all going to be successful. Have you bred to a clone? Which one? Or why not? Slick By Design has just as much to lose to by continuing to complete, same as Firewaterontherocks. The are just as valuable as any clone, purchase price would be astounding.
Slick has a lot to loose every time he steps into an arena - but you are forgetting one thing - he isn't a clone.
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rockette - 2016-04-19 4:00 PM NJJ - 2016-04-19 2:46 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 2:36 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:30 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:18 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:15 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:14 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:11 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:11 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-19 1:15 PM Another clone has hit the barrel horse world. I wonder what is in store for Double Latte - Mary Walker's clone of Latte?
Will he go to the pen, or just stand for stud?
In my opinion, she would be smart to run him. Too many others are cloning just to stand at stud. I think smart money is on running him. So you would just let him sit like the others?
They have everything to lose if they run him and he's a dud. And very little to gain if he's decent to good.
The odds are he never stacks up to the orginal. There is no proof that will happen. No barrel racing clone has completed. There is no basis for what might happen. Pretty expensive breeding dud to sit around. Go pony up a $100k and compete your tail off then. It's a bad biz decision to try it. That's why no one has. Why are you so defensive towards me? I just gave an opinion on clones not being completed on. As another poster pointed out they are competing on clones in other disciplines. Why do you have to be so nasty? You go breed to those clones since you think it is all going to be successful. Have you bred to a clone? Which one? Or why not? Slick By Design has just as much to lose to by continuing to complete, same as Firewaterontherocks. The are just as valuable as any clone, purchase price would be astounding.
You have changed my mind
I am not trying to change anyone's mind. You challenged me about my opinion, all I am doing is trying to explain why I think it would be a good idea to run him. | |
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rockette - 2016-04-19 3:00 PM NJJ - 2016-04-19 2:46 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 2:36 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:30 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:18 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:15 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:14 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:11 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:11 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-19 1:15 PM Another clone has hit the barrel horse world. I wonder what is in store for Double Latte - Mary Walker's clone of Latte?
Will he go to the pen, or just stand for stud?
In my opinion, she would be smart to run him. Too many others are cloning just to stand at stud. I think smart money is on running him. So you would just let him sit like the others?
They have everything to lose if they run him and he's a dud. And very little to gain if he's decent to good.
The odds are he never stacks up to the orginal. There is no proof that will happen. No barrel racing clone has completed. There is no basis for what might happen. Pretty expensive breeding dud to sit around. Go pony up a $100k and compete your tail off then. It's a bad biz decision to try it. That's why no one has. Why are you so defensive towards me? I just gave an opinion on clones not being completed on. As another poster pointed out they are competing on clones in other disciplines. Why do you have to be so nasty? You go breed to those clones since you think it is all going to be successful. Have you bred to a clone? Which one? Or why not? Slick By Design has just as much to lose to by continuing to complete, same as Firewaterontherocks. The are just as valuable as any clone, purchase price would be astounding.
That is the point, (i believe) that is trying to be made, they are "worth" just as much as a clone, and compete to cement their future, unlike many of the clones. At least this is my take on it!! | |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | 3canstorun - 2016-04-19 3:06 PM
rockette - 2016-04-19 4:00 PM NJJ - 2016-04-19 2:46 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 2:36 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:30 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:18 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:15 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:14 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:11 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:11 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-19 1:15 PM Another clone has hit the barrel horse world. I wonder what is in store for Double Latte - Mary Walker's clone of Latte?
Will he go to the pen, or just stand for stud?
In my opinion, she would be smart to run him. Too many others are cloning just to stand at stud. I think smart money is on running him. So you would just let him sit like the others?
They have everything to lose if they run him and he's a dud. And very little to gain if he's decent to good.
The odds are he never stacks up to the orginal. There is no proof that will happen. No barrel racing clone has completed. There is no basis for what might happen. Pretty expensive breeding dud to sit around. Go pony up a $100k and compete your tail off then. It's a bad biz decision to try it. That's why no one has. Why are you so defensive towards me? I just gave an opinion on clones not being completed on. As another poster pointed out they are competing on clones in other disciplines. Why do you have to be so nasty? You go breed to those clones since you think it is all going to be successful. Have you bred to a clone? Which one? Or why not? Slick By Design has just as much to lose to by continuing to complete, same as Firewaterontherocks. The are just as valuable as any clone, purchase price would be astounding.
I am not forgetting that he is a clone. I am pointing out what an extremely valuable stallion he is, and he keeps winning. While cloned stallions are to valuable to complete. I am trying to give him a great compliment. | |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | lhighquality - 2016-04-19 3:08 PM
MS2011 - 2016-04-19 3:03 PM
rockette - 2016-04-19 3:00 PM NJJ - 2016-04-19 2:46 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 2:36 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:30 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:18 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:15 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:14 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:11 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:11 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-19 1:15 PM Another clone has hit the barrel horse world. I wonder what is in store for Double Latte - Mary Walker's clone of Latte?
Will he go to the pen, or just stand for stud?
In my opinion, she would be smart to run him. Too many others are cloning just to stand at stud. I think smart money is on running him. So you would just let him sit like the others?
They have everything to lose if they run him and he's a dud. And very little to gain if he's decent to good.
The odds are he never stacks up to the orginal. There is no proof that will happen. No barrel racing clone has completed. There is no basis for what might happen. Pretty expensive breeding dud to sit around. Go pony up a $100k and compete your tail off then. It's a bad biz decision to try it. That's why no one has. Why are you so defensive towards me? I just gave an opinion on clones not being completed on. As another poster pointed out they are competing on clones in other disciplines. Why do you have to be so nasty? You go breed to those clones since you think it is all going to be successful. Have you bred to a clone? Which one? Or why not? Slick By Design has just as much to lose to by continuing to complete, same as Firewaterontherocks. The are just as valuable as any clone, purchase price would be astounding.
That is the point, (i believe ) that is trying to be made, they are "worth" just as much as a clone, and compete to cement their future, unlike many of the clones. At least this is my take on it!!
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | rockette - 2016-04-19 4:12 PM lhighquality - 2016-04-19 3:08 PM MS2011 - 2016-04-19 3:03 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:00 PM NJJ - 2016-04-19 2:46 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 2:36 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:30 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:18 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:15 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:14 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:11 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:11 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-19 1:15 PM Another clone has hit the barrel horse world. I wonder what is in store for Double Latte - Mary Walker's clone of Latte?
Will he go to the pen, or just stand for stud?
In my opinion, she would be smart to run him. Too many others are cloning just to stand at stud. I think smart money is on running him. So you would just let him sit like the others?
They have everything to lose if they run him and he's a dud. And very little to gain if he's decent to good.
The odds are he never stacks up to the orginal. There is no proof that will happen. No barrel racing clone has completed. There is no basis for what might happen. Pretty expensive breeding dud to sit around. Go pony up a $100k and compete your tail off then. It's a bad biz decision to try it. That's why no one has. Why are you so defensive towards me? I just gave an opinion on clones not being completed on. As another poster pointed out they are competing on clones in other disciplines. Why do you have to be so nasty? You go breed to those clones since you think it is all going to be successful. Have you bred to a clone? Which one? Or why not? Slick By Design has just as much to lose to by continuing to complete, same as Firewaterontherocks. The are just as valuable as any clone, purchase price would be astounding. That is the point, (i believe ) that is trying to be made, they are "worth" just as much as a clone, and compete to cement their future, unlike many of the clones. At least this is my take on it!! Yes! THANK YOU!
You are missing the point - yes dollar wise they are worth more then the clone. However, the clone hasn't done a **** thing at any discipline. So, when you put it in the pen, and it performs, then the value goes up. It costs money to get all animals here, clones just cost more if you have to pay for it.
And, if the clone doesn't perform like the other animals, it will never have the worth of Slick, FWOTR, Scamper or any other animals that has already proven his worth. | |
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Location: Midwest | I will add that the clones being competed on were created to compete on by wealthy wealthy people. Not for breeding.
In cloning an animal specifically for breeding, the idea is the original has already proven the genetics. If the horse sucks, they basically lose any potential return on this investment. | |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | 3canstorun - 2016-04-19 3:15 PM
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Will he go to the pen, or just stand for stud?
In my opinion, she would be smart to run him. Too many others are cloning just to stand at stud. I think smart money is on running him. So you would just let him sit like the others?
They have everything to lose if they run him and he's a dud. And very little to gain if he's decent to good.
The odds are he never stacks up to the orginal. There is no proof that will happen. No barrel racing clone has completed. There is no basis for what might happen. Pretty expensive breeding dud to sit around. Go pony up a $100k and compete your tail off then. It's a bad biz decision to try it. That's why no one has. Why are you so defensive towards me? I just gave an opinion on clones not being completed on. As another poster pointed out they are competing on clones in other disciplines. Why do you have to be so nasty? You go breed to those clones since you think it is all going to be successful. Have you bred to a clone? Which one? Or why not? Slick By Design has just as much to lose to by continuing to complete, same as Firewaterontherocks. The are just as valuable as any clone, purchase price would be astounding. That is the point, (i believe ) that is trying to be made, they are "worth" just as much as a clone, and compete to cement their future, unlike many of the clones. At least this is my take on it!! Yes! THANK YOU!
And, if the clone doesn't perform like the other animals, it will never have the worth of Slick, FWOTR, Scamper or any other animals that has already proven his worth.
How does anyone know? It has never been done? Is all I am saying. I am not trying to prove anyone right or wrong. I am saying there is no precedence about what would happen if someone competed on a clone, then used him for stud. | |
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Location: SE KS | 3canstorun - 2016-04-19 3:15 PM
rockette - 2016-04-19 4:12 PM lhighquality - 2016-04-19 3:08 PM MS2011 - 2016-04-19 3:03 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:00 PM NJJ - 2016-04-19 2:46 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 2:36 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:30 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:18 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:15 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:14 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:11 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:11 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-19 1:15 PM Another clone has hit the barrel horse world. I wonder what is in store for Double Latte - Mary Walker's clone of Latte?
Will he go to the pen, or just stand for stud?
In my opinion, she would be smart to run him. Too many others are cloning just to stand at stud. I think smart money is on running him. So you would just let him sit like the others?
They have everything to lose if they run him and he's a dud. And very little to gain if he's decent to good.
The odds are he never stacks up to the orginal. There is no proof that will happen. No barrel racing clone has completed. There is no basis for what might happen. Pretty expensive breeding dud to sit around. Go pony up a $100k and compete your tail off then. It's a bad biz decision to try it. That's why no one has. Why are you so defensive towards me? I just gave an opinion on clones not being completed on. As another poster pointed out they are competing on clones in other disciplines. Why do you have to be so nasty? You go breed to those clones since you think it is all going to be successful. Have you bred to a clone? Which one? Or why not? Slick By Design has just as much to lose to by continuing to complete, same as Firewaterontherocks. The are just as valuable as any clone, purchase price would be astounding. That is the point, (i believe ) that is trying to be made, they are "worth" just as much as a clone, and compete to cement their future, unlike many of the clones. At least this is my take on it!! Yes! THANK YOU!
And, if the clone doesn't perform like the other animals, it will never have the worth of Slick, FWOTR, Scamper or any other animals that has already proven his worth.
So just like any other stallion, clone or not, if you want "me" to breed to him, have him proven, bc to me just being a clone of a famous horse doesn't get "me" to breed to him. | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | lhighquality - 2016-04-19 4:21 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-19 3:15 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 4:12 PM lhighquality - 2016-04-19 3:08 PM MS2011 - 2016-04-19 3:03 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:00 PM NJJ - 2016-04-19 2:46 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 2:36 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:30 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:18 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:15 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:14 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:11 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:11 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-19 1:15 PM Another clone has hit the barrel horse world. I wonder what is in store for Double Latte - Mary Walker's clone of Latte?
Will he go to the pen, or just stand for stud?
In my opinion, she would be smart to run him. Too many others are cloning just to stand at stud. I think smart money is on running him. So you would just let him sit like the others?
They have everything to lose if they run him and he's a dud. And very little to gain if he's decent to good.
The odds are he never stacks up to the orginal. There is no proof that will happen. No barrel racing clone has completed. There is no basis for what might happen. Pretty expensive breeding dud to sit around. Go pony up a $100k and compete your tail off then. It's a bad biz decision to try it. That's why no one has. Why are you so defensive towards me? I just gave an opinion on clones not being completed on. As another poster pointed out they are competing on clones in other disciplines. Why do you have to be so nasty? You go breed to those clones since you think it is all going to be successful. Have you bred to a clone? Which one? Or why not? Slick By Design has just as much to lose to by continuing to complete, same as Firewaterontherocks. The are just as valuable as any clone, purchase price would be astounding. That is the point, (i believe ) that is trying to be made, they are "worth" just as much as a clone, and compete to cement their future, unlike many of the clones. At least this is my take on it!! Yes! THANK YOU!
And, if the clone doesn't perform like the other animals, it will never have the worth of Slick, FWOTR, Scamper or any other animals that has already proven his worth. So just like any other stallion, clone or not, if you want "me" to breed to him, have him proven, bc to me just being a clone of a famous horse doesn't get "me" to breed to him.
Ima go out on a limb here and predict you're not their target demographic.
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Location: West Texas | barrelracr131 - 2016-04-19 3:18 PM
I will add that the clones being competed on were created to compete on by wealthy wealthy people. Not for breeding.
In cloning an animal specifically for breeding, the idea is the original has already proven the genetics. If the horse sucks, they basically lose any potential return on this investment.
Most all of the clones don't live up to the original. If the clone does not perform, then wouldn't the genetics be disproven? I mean, it is the genetics of the clone people would be buying. If he doesn't make, then the whole deal probably is for naught anyway, and the genetics apparently were not there to begin with. The smart breeder would not want to sink the big money to breed to a clone without knowing if the cloning actually produced the desired results. I know a clone has the same DNA, but that really doesn't mean much for a performance horse, where desire always outweighs ability. I am against cloning. I don't believe desire and circumstance can ever be cloned, nor should it.
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Location: West Texas | rockette - 2016-04-19 3:20 PM
3canstorun - 2016-04-19 3:15 PM
rockette - 2016-04-19 4:12 PM lhighquality - 2016-04-19 3:08 PM MS2011 - 2016-04-19 3:03 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:00 PM NJJ - 2016-04-19 2:46 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 2:36 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:30 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:18 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:15 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:14 PM 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 2:11 PM rockette - 2016-04-19 3:11 PM 3canstorun - 2016-04-19 1:15 PM Another clone has hit the barrel horse world. I wonder what is in store for Double Latte - Mary Walker's clone of Latte?
Will he go to the pen, or just stand for stud?
In my opinion, she would be smart to run him. Too many others are cloning just to stand at stud. I think smart money is on running him. So you would just let him sit like the others?
They have everything to lose if they run him and he's a dud. And very little to gain if he's decent to good.
The odds are he never stacks up to the orginal. There is no proof that will happen. No barrel racing clone has completed. There is no basis for what might happen. Pretty expensive breeding dud to sit around. Go pony up a $100k and compete your tail off then. It's a bad biz decision to try it. That's why no one has. Why are you so defensive towards me? I just gave an opinion on clones not being completed on. As another poster pointed out they are competing on clones in other disciplines. Why do you have to be so nasty? You go breed to those clones since you think it is all going to be successful. Have you bred to a clone? Which one? Or why not? Slick By Design has just as much to lose to by continuing to complete, same as Firewaterontherocks. The are just as valuable as any clone, purchase price would be astounding. That is the point, (i believe ) that is trying to be made, they are "worth" just as much as a clone, and compete to cement their future, unlike many of the clones. At least this is my take on it!! Yes! THANK YOU!
And, if the clone doesn't perform like the other animals, it will never have the worth of Slick, FWOTR, Scamper or any other animals that has already proven his worth.
How does anyone know? It has never been done? Is all I am saying. I am not trying to prove anyone right or wrong. I am saying there is no precedence about what would happen if someone competed on a clone, then used him for stud.
I agree, but the gamble would be too great. The people that clone want to perpetuate the clone as the original. That is far from the case. If they wanted to prove the cloning was a success they would compete, but the risk is too high (money wise as 1D said) and when the result was not the same (which it probably wont be), the myth of the clone being the same as the original would crumble and the money to produce would all be lost, on top of the money to train and campaign. | |
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Location: WI | Yeah, I'm totally over the whole 'we're not going to compete on him because he's too valuable a breeding animal' I know of non-cloned studs pulling that one, too. You may be a clone of Latte or a son of DTF, sorry but neither of those things mean you can produce. So, you should at least be able to perform. All they are is scared that they are going to lose face and not pull any stud fees.
eta: The whole 'protecting their investment' argument - do you really think they are going to make their money back? I didn't think breeding barrel horses was that lucrative a business. I can't look up how many Clayton is booking to a year - hell the last update Charmayne made to her site was 2 years ago! I'm guessing, she's not making any money on that 'business venture'
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | linds - 2016-04-19 4:41 PM . All they are is scared that they are going to lose face and not pull any stud fees.
eta: The whole 'protecting their investment' argument - do you really think they are going to make their money back? I didn't think breeding barrel horses was that lucrative a business. I can't look up how many Clayton is booking to a year - hell the last update Charmayne made to her site was 2 years ago! I'm guessing, she's not making any money on that 'business venture'
No, they are worried that the clone will suck, and they will lose the hundreds of thousands of dollars invested to get that colt to breeding age.
And non of these folks are banking on stud fees in the first few years making them their money back.
They are banking on the fact that these mutants are going to produce like the bad azzes that they are clones of and then they laugh all the way to the bank for the next 10-15 years while everyone signs contracts and writes checks.
As an adendum, they are also banking on the clones becoming popular enough as a breeding option that the general membership forces the Association ot accept clones for registrations.
It's not a zero sum game, their potential for loss by sucking is much greater than their potential for gain if the animal can shut the clock off.
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Location: SE KS | 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 3:29 PM
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Will he go to the pen, or just stand for stud?
In my opinion, she would be smart to run him. Too many others are cloning just to stand at stud. I think smart money is on running him. So you would just let him sit like the others?
They have everything to lose if they run him and he's a dud. And very little to gain if he's decent to good.
The odds are he never stacks up to the orginal. There is no proof that will happen. No barrel racing clone has completed. There is no basis for what might happen. Pretty expensive breeding dud to sit around. Go pony up a $100k and compete your tail off then. It's a bad biz decision to try it. That's why no one has. Why are you so defensive towards me? I just gave an opinion on clones not being completed on. As another poster pointed out they are competing on clones in other disciplines. Why do you have to be so nasty? You go breed to those clones since you think it is all going to be successful. Have you bred to a clone? Which one? Or why not? Slick By Design has just as much to lose to by continuing to complete, same as Firewaterontherocks. The are just as valuable as any clone, purchase price would be astounding. That is the point, (i believe ) that is trying to be made, they are "worth" just as much as a clone, and compete to cement their future, unlike many of the clones. At least this is my take on it!! Yes! THANK YOU!
And, if the clone doesn't perform like the other animals, it will never have the worth of Slick, FWOTR, Scamper or any other animals that has already proven his worth. So just like any other stallion, clone or not, if you want "me" to breed to him, have him proven, bc to me just being a clone of a famous horse doesn't get "me" to breed to him.
The next posts, I feel, say something similiar to what I said, target demographic or not | |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | 1DSoon - 2016-04-19 3:55 PM linds - 2016-04-19 4:41 PM . All they are is scared that they are going to lose face and not pull any stud fees.
eta: The whole 'protecting their investment' argument - do you really think they are going to make their money back? I didn't think breeding barrel horses was that lucrative a business. I can't look up how many Clayton is booking to a year - hell the last update Charmayne made to her site was 2 years ago! I'm guessing, she's not making any money on that 'business venture' No, they are worried that the clone will suck, and they will lose the hundreds of thousands of dollars invested to get that colt to breeding age.
And non of these folks are banking on stud fees in the first few years making them their money back.
They are banking on the fact that these mutants are going to produce like the bad azzes that they are clones of and then they laugh all the way to the bank for the next 10-15 years while everyone signs contracts and writes checks.
As an adendum, they are also banking on the clones becoming popular enough as a breeding option that the general membership forces the Association ot accept clones for registrations.
It's not a zero sum game, their potential for loss by sucking is much greater than their potential for gain if the animal can shut the clock off.
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Thank you
I'm not a fan of breeding to a clone at this time. However, to say none are proven is no longer true. http://www.popsci.com/article/science/cloned-horse-wins-argentine-polo-open | |
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| Most of us believe in breeding programs that are validated with proof. That is why we see certain pedigrees demonstrated repeatedly in elite performance horses. Cloning is not for those who do not believe that elite genetics are not a key element of an outstanding individual. A clone of Latte will breed as if he were Latte himself (had Latte remained a stallion). That is independent of his personal performance. Performance is a function of genetics x environment and the genotype is the same from donor to cloned horse. It is difficult to intelligently argue against the genetic potential of a proven winner (clone or not). Still many variables left to observe. If the clone competes, then we have 2x the data with same genotype and different environments to evaluate the genetics. If the clone does not compete, then we have only the data generated by the original performance (similar to what we might have on a competing stallion that retires to the breeding shed). If you pay attention to pedigrees and find them meaningful, then you intuitively understand the power of cloning. If you select horses based on phenotype alone with no interest in pedigree, then you are not likely still reading this comment. Of course, one can fully understand the technical issue and still dislike the technology for other reasons. Some will choose to leverage knowledge and blaze a different trail. I think there are likely multiple intelligent ways to achieve a worthy goal and I enjoy the diversity of routes. One thing is for certain, all of us love a strong, healthy, gorgeous foal and they often represent great promise to all of us. I can’t wait to lay my eyes on this guy later this week because I have the advantage of knowing that his identical twin (Latte) has demonstrated the power of the genetics in this hopeful future star. | |
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