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| NJJ - 2016-04-29 4:20 PM
In the past, I have seen quite a few 4-H groups do this. It is usually a weanling or yearling donated by a sponsor. It makes money for the groups and usually ends up being a pretty nice project horse for one of the members.
That's because 4H is a group and non profit. Most states allow non profits to have raffles. An individual having a raffle is illegal in most states. |
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Location: TN | Read one post on Facebook that those sites are no longer allowing horses therefore people are now posting them on their page and to make it legal they giving gift certicates. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I find it amazing that some are known trainers and when it is pointed out to them, they block you and send you nasty messages. And their answer is - oh well, I will not get caught. |
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Location: In my own world | SKM - 2016-04-28 8:47 PM Anyone else notice the recent trend of selling horses and trailers by holding raffles? It's amazing how many people are doing this. Very few realize it's totally illegal inless you are a non profit.
I posted about this last week. Mostly I just thought it was weird. And then did some mental math on one. A girl was going to get $14,000 for a grade mare with her $100 tickets. Never thought I'd the legal side of it |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | If it is illegal, the "Mods" need to take a look at the ad from Florida....it is a "raffle"!
Wonders Firewater ***Random Draw for a $10,000 Filly*** $100 a spot!
Edited by NJJ 2016-04-30 6:23 PM
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Saint Stacey
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fundraising is critical to the success of charities and other nonprofits. Games of chance, such as lotteries and raffles, can be an easy way to entice potential donors by offering the prospect of winning a prize. However, most lotteries and raffles are considered gambling and are illegal in Florida. But, the state has carved out an exception for qualifying nonprofits, provided specific rules are followed and no fees are required to participate. Even with this exception, however, nonprofit organizations must still comply with all state and federal laws governing the solicitation of funds. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I was thinking all raffles were illegal, unless its something like 4-H or FFA or any non profit groups, so how in the heck do these people get away doing raffles for their own personal use? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | The AD here has been removed! I wonder if the people who already paid will get their money back from the seller?
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Location: Missouri | NJJ - 2016-05-01 8:22 AM
The AD here has been removed! I wonder if the people who already paid will get their money back from the seller?
I thought the ad said (and I could totally be wrong, I didn't pay too much attention) that $ would be transferred via PayPal once all spots were filled.....? So hopefully no one actually paid anything yet.  |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | MOGirl07 - 2016-05-01 8:52 AM NJJ - 2016-05-01 8:22 AM The AD here has been removed! I wonder if the people who already paid will get their money back from the seller?
I thought the ad said (and I could totally be wrong, I didn't pay too much attention ) that $ would be transferred via PayPal once all spots were filled.....? So hopefully no one actually paid anything yet.
I think I read that also. |
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Location: Wyoming | http://www.ennsandarcher.com/s_basics.html
The basics on sweepstakes and contests. |
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These aren't Sweepstakes, they are raffles. Not one of the people doing these raffles posts rules. Nor is there no purchase necessary. |
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Location: Wyoming | SKM - 2016-05-01 10:55 AM These aren't Sweepstakes, they are raffles. Not one of the people doing these raffles posts rules. Nor is there no purchase necessary.
This article also has information about random drawings. |
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| realitycheck - 2016-05-01 12:54 PM
SKM - 2016-05-01 10:55 AM These aren't Sweepstakes, they are raffles. Not one of the people doing these raffles posts rules. Nor is there no purchase necessary.
The page on the link has Sweepstakes and Skill Drawings. In the skill drawing, if you eliminate the skill, it isn't a skill drawing. If you eliminate the skill part and hold a nation wide drawing, it's illegal because of states like CO, NE, SD etc since they don't allow it. Also the drawings with no skill set aren't allowed to have an entry fee. They also have to have rules posted just like a Sweepstakes. Or that's what I got out of the link at least. |
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Location: Wyoming | SKM - 2016-05-01 12:20 PM
realitycheck - 2016-05-01 12:54 PM
SKM - 2016-05-01 10:55 AM These aren't Sweepstakes, they are raffles. Not one of the people doing these raffles posts rules. Nor is there no purchase necessary.
The page on the link has Sweepstakes and Skill Drawings. In the skill drawing, if you eliminate the skill, it isn't a skill drawing. If you eliminate the skill part and hold a nation wide drawing, it's illegal because of states like CO, NE, SD etc since they don't allow it. Also the drawings with no skill set aren't allowed to have an entry fee. They also have to have rules posted just like a Sweepstakes. Or that's what I got out of the link at least.
I have been reading a lot on this type of thing. There is a lot to it and a lot of rules and laws that pertain to this. I just thought the article made it easier to read. One of the reasons I posted the link is because someone may call it a sweepstakes or a contest, but it is really a lottery. (random drawing)
You are correct. ( at least from what I have been reading) These random drawings are lotteries. Lotteries are highly regulated.
It doesn't matter if it's animals, widgets or gadgets or digital content.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | realitycheck - 2016-05-01 1:54 PM SKM - 2016-05-01 10:55 AM These aren't Sweepstakes, they are raffles. Not one of the people doing these raffles posts rules. Nor is there no purchase necessary.
These horse "raffles" do not fall under any category in that article because they REQUIRE "consideration".......that makes them an illegal lottery in most states unless they are registered, etc by the state. Note this statement in the very first paragraph........this applies to every "random drawing".
Thus, the primary means of preventing a sweepstakes promotion from being considered an illegal lottery is the elimination of the element of consideration. |
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Location: Wyoming | Maybe this will help.
A lottery is a prize drawing where people must pay money to buy a chance (a spot) to win something. Lotteries are highly regulated.
A lottery has three things:
1. Prize
2. Chance
3. Consideration - Something of value. Usually money.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | realitycheck - 2016-05-01 2:33 PM Maybe this will help.
A lottery is a prize drawing where people must pay money to buy a chance (a spot) to win something. Lotteries are highly regulated.
A lottery has three things:
1. Prize
2. Chance
3. Consideration - Something of value. Usually money.
If that prize is a horse, tack, trailer, etc....in most states, no matter WHAT you call it....it is considered a "lottery".....and illegal unless it follows the rules of the state. |
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Location: Wyoming | And then there are the tax implications |
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Location: Where the rodeo road leads me | n s tyle= s"font-family:Arial; font-size:12px; color:#000000"> So what if every spot purchased received something like a ball cap or something that they were actually buying and then one random person would receive a "FREE" horse? I have seen that grade Mare that the drawing was done on and she was actually really nice and has been listed for 15000. |
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