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Location: Displaced Iowegian | barlracr429 - 2016-05-01 8:48 PM cranky B4 10am - 2016-05-01 6:46 PM swd - 2016-05-01 5:06 PM I thought it was weird that my feed was full of these "raffles" which had a "buy it now" option. If someome came along and bought the horse them everyone who bought a ticket would get refunded. I am against this form of marketing. For one, the horse usually isnt worth the total amount of raffle money. Second, who is monitoring the "drawing"? Seems like a scam to me. Yup, all you have to do is have someone buy the horse outright, but still sell all the tickets... of course you have a buddy buy 1 ticket and they "win" the horse and maybe get the $$ back, or get part of the loot.....
Could also be an easy way to get rid of an unsound horse, or one that is dangerous, or maybe just a dink...
This would absolutely not be someone I would like to do bussiness with....
There has been a Random Draw Tack page on fb for a long time, where people sell stuff from bell boots, to pads, to saddles, to magentic blankets to tack sets to horse trailers. For the most part, the page runs very smoothly. But lately people were flooding the page with trying to sell their horse this way, where the spots cost $25-100. The admin of the page put a stop to it and said no live animals.
I know a lot of people go on and on about it being illegal or not being right, but I wonder if those people have ever driven over the speed limit, because that is illegal also. I figure if you don't like it, then don't participate or worry about what others are doing. Personally I'd never buy or sell a horse this way, but I might take my chance at winning a $500 tack set for a $10 spot.
If Random Draw Tack group is so honest then why was there a discussion in one of the groups yesterday about the SAME girl winning FIVE times in the same month....No one is THAT lucky. | |
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| Reminds me of this joke:
Young Chuck moved to Montana and bought a horse from a farmer for $100.00. The farmer agreed to deliver the horse the next day. The next Day he drove up and said, "Sorry, Son, but I have some bad news, The horse died."
Chuck replied, "Well, then just give me my money back."
The farmer said, "Can't do that. I went and spent it already."
Chuck said, "Ok, then, just bring me the dead horse."
The farmer asked, "What ya gonna do with him?"
Chuck said, "I'm going to raffle him off."
The farmer said, "You can't raffle off a dead horse!"
Chuck said, "Sure I can. Watch me. I just won't tell anybody he's dead."
A month later, the farmer met up with Chuck and asked, "What happened With that dead horse?"
Chuck said, "I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at two dollars a Piece and made a net profit of $898.00."
The farmer said, "Didn't anyone complain?"
Chuck said, "Just the guy who won. So I gave him his two dollars back."
Chuck grew up and now works for the government.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | NJJ - 2016-05-02 8:21 AM barlracr429 - 2016-05-01 8:48 PM cranky B4 10am - 2016-05-01 6:46 PM swd - 2016-05-01 5:06 PM I thought it was weird that my feed was full of these "raffles" which had a "buy it now" option. If someome came along and bought the horse them everyone who bought a ticket would get refunded. I am against this form of marketing. For one, the horse usually isnt worth the total amount of raffle money. Second, who is monitoring the "drawing"? Seems like a scam to me. Yup, all you have to do is have someone buy the horse outright, but still sell all the tickets... of course you have a buddy buy 1 ticket and they "win" the horse and maybe get the $$ back, or get part of the loot.....
Could also be an easy way to get rid of an unsound horse, or one that is dangerous, or maybe just a dink...
This would absolutely not be someone I would like to do bussiness with....
There has been a Random Draw Tack page on fb for a long time, where people sell stuff from bell boots, to pads, to saddles, to magentic blankets to tack sets to horse trailers. For the most part, the page runs very smoothly. But lately people were flooding the page with trying to sell their horse this way, where the spots cost $25-100. The admin of the page put a stop to it and said no live animals.
I know a lot of people go on and on about it being illegal or not being right, but I wonder if those people have ever driven over the speed limit, because that is illegal also. I figure if you don't like it, then don't participate or worry about what others are doing. Personally I'd never buy or sell a horse this way, but I might take my chance at winning a $500 tack set for a $10 spot.
Hmmmmm? If this group in on the "up and up"....why has it NOW been changed to "secret" on FaceBook......HUGE "Red Flag" to me !!!!! | |
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| On the facebook page, you can buy a random number for almost anything. I hadn't seen this before this weekend. (Guess I'm behind. LOL!) I first saw a lady that sells "kid friendly rodeo horses" put her daughter's $45,000 horse on the page and start selling spots. | |
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | Im not too good at math but 100 tickets at $100 means that pony is worth some mulla.....
This is a good idea for those who cant sell the horse for $3,500 but can sell 100 tickets for $50 and make more.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2016-05-02 10:23 AM NJJ - 2016-05-02 8:21 AM barlracr429 - 2016-05-01 8:48 PM cranky B4 10am - 2016-05-01 6:46 PM swd - 2016-05-01 5:06 PM I thought it was weird that my feed was full of these "raffles" which had a "buy it now" option. If someome came along and bought the horse them everyone who bought a ticket would get refunded. I am against this form of marketing. For one, the horse usually isnt worth the total amount of raffle money. Second, who is monitoring the "drawing"? Seems like a scam to me. Yup, all you have to do is have someone buy the horse outright, but still sell all the tickets... of course you have a buddy buy 1 ticket and they "win" the horse and maybe get the $$ back, or get part of the loot.....
Could also be an easy way to get rid of an unsound horse, or one that is dangerous, or maybe just a dink...
This would absolutely not be someone I would like to do bussiness with....
There has been a Random Draw Tack page on fb for a long time, where people sell stuff from bell boots, to pads, to saddles, to magentic blankets to tack sets to horse trailers. For the most part, the page runs very smoothly. But lately people were flooding the page with trying to sell their horse this way, where the spots cost $25-100. The admin of the page put a stop to it and said no live animals.
I know a lot of people go on and on about it being illegal or not being right, but I wonder if those people have ever driven over the speed limit, because that is illegal also. I figure if you don't like it, then don't participate or worry about what others are doing. Personally I'd never buy or sell a horse this way, but I might take my chance at winning a $500 tack set for a $10 spot.
Yep, sounds like a scam to me too if the same person keeps on winning. Maybe that can be explain to us too, lol.  | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | cowgalsissy - 2016-05-02 10:52 AM Im not too good at math but 100 tickets at $100 means that pony is worth some mulla.....
This is a good idea for those who cant sell the horse for $3,500 but can sell 100 tickets for $50 and make more.
And there is a "SUCKER" born every day !!! | |
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Location: OH | cowgalsissy - 2016-05-02 11:52 AM Im not too good at math but 100 tickets at $100 means that pony is worth some mulla.....
This is a good idea for those who cant sell the horse for $3,500 but can sell 100 tickets for $50 and make more.
Need to make a little extra to cover future legal fees. LOL. I actually thought it was a genius idea for some till I dug into it a little deeper---completely illegal and only a matter of time till it crashes and burns. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2016-05-02 11:00 AM cowgalsissy - 2016-05-02 10:52 AM Im not too good at math but 100 tickets at $100 means that pony is worth some mulla.....
This is a good idea for those who cant sell the horse for $3,500 but can sell 100 tickets for $50 and make more.
And there is a "SUCKER" born every day !!!
 I agree theres alot of suckers out there and that's good for the person that puts on these random buy a spot raffles they can make their car/truck/trailer and house payment's. | |
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Location: That part of Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-30 10:40 PM SKM - 2016-04-30 8:10 PM I just saw the ad. No, it's not legal. This was taken from a State Of FL document about if raffles are legal: fundraising is critical to the success of charities and other nonprofits. Games of chance, such as lotteries and raffles, can be an easy way to entice potential donors by offering the prospect of winning a prize. However, most lotteries and raffles are considered gambling and are illegal in Florida. But, the state has carved out an exception for qualifying nonprofits, provided specific rules are followed and no fees are required to participate. Even with this exception, however, nonprofit organizations must still comply with all state and federal laws governing the solicitation of funds. How in the heck are these people getting away with doing this, they already have tickets sold? I just dont understand how the law dont get wind of this. You would think someone would turn them in. 
It's not that easy to prosecute one of these things. State prosecutors would not have jurisdiction over all the parties and so it would have to be in violation of federal law and would be up to federal prosecutors to look into. In order to make a case, you would have to have proof of when each person (if it was that person or someone else logging on under their name) made a purchase, how it was made, who received it, where this all occurred and what benefit was exchanged if any. In a 100 spot raffle, you'd have to figure that out 100 times plus the people putting it all on -- all in cyberspace. That's why no local prosecutor can do much -- possibly other than busting a raffle starter -- but then again, you have to prove that it happened in your county which isn't always easy with online stuff. Much of federal anti-gambling/gaming law depends on state law and whether or not an act is allowed in one jurisdiction over another when it comes to prosecuting. Add that into the mix and it's easy to see why more are not looked into versus other concerns that the feds prosecute.
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Location: OH | Red Raider - 2016-05-02 12:23 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-30 10:40 PM SKM - 2016-04-30 8:10 PM I just saw the ad. No, it's not legal. This was taken from a State Of FL document about if raffles are legal: fundraising is critical to the success of charities and other nonprofits. Games of chance, such as lotteries and raffles, can be an easy way to entice potential donors by offering the prospect of winning a prize. However, most lotteries and raffles are considered gambling and are illegal in Florida. But, the state has carved out an exception for qualifying nonprofits, provided specific rules are followed and no fees are required to participate. Even with this exception, however, nonprofit organizations must still comply with all state and federal laws governing the solicitation of funds. How in the heck are these people getting away with doing this, they already have tickets sold? I just dont understand how the law dont get wind of this. You would think someone would turn them in.
Valid Points---they probably have bigger fish to fry than worrying about this. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Mighty Broke - 2016-05-02 11:30 AM Red Raider - 2016-05-02 12:23 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-04-30 10:40 PM SKM - 2016-04-30 8:10 PM I just saw the ad. No, it's not legal. This was taken from a State Of FL document about if raffles are legal: fundraising is critical to the success of charities and other nonprofits. Games of chance, such as lotteries and raffles, can be an easy way to entice potential donors by offering the prospect of winning a prize. However, most lotteries and raffles are considered gambling and are illegal in Florida. But, the state has carved out an exception for qualifying nonprofits, provided specific rules are followed and no fees are required to participate. Even with this exception, however, nonprofit organizations must still comply with all state and federal laws governing the solicitation of funds. How in the heck are these people getting away with doing this, they already have tickets sold? I just dont understand how the law dont get wind of this. You would think someone would turn them in.
Edited by Southtxponygirl 2016-05-02 11:39 AM
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| i contacted my lawyer today
to see if i could do this with my farm have not heard back | |
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Location: North Dakota | NJJ - 2016-05-02 8:21 AM barlracr429 - 2016-05-01 8:48 PM cranky B4 10am - 2016-05-01 6:46 PM swd - 2016-05-01 5:06 PM I thought it was weird that my feed was full of these "raffles" which had a "buy it now" option. If someome came along and bought the horse them everyone who bought a ticket would get refunded. I am against this form of marketing. For one, the horse usually isnt worth the total amount of raffle money. Second, who is monitoring the "drawing"? Seems like a scam to me. Yup, all you have to do is have someone buy the horse outright, but still sell all the tickets... of course you have a buddy buy 1 ticket and they "win" the horse and maybe get the $$ back, or get part of the loot.....
Could also be an easy way to get rid of an unsound horse, or one that is dangerous, or maybe just a dink...
This would absolutely not be someone I would like to do bussiness with....
There has been a Random Draw Tack page on fb for a long time, where people sell stuff from bell boots, to pads, to saddles, to magentic blankets to tack sets to horse trailers. For the most part, the page runs very smoothly. But lately people were flooding the page with trying to sell their horse this way, where the spots cost $25-100. The admin of the page put a stop to it and said no live animals.
I know a lot of people go on and on about it being illegal or not being right, but I wonder if those people have ever driven over the speed limit, because that is illegal also. I figure if you don't like it, then don't participate or worry about what others are doing. Personally I'd never buy or sell a horse this way, but I might take my chance at winning a $500 tack set for a $10 spot.
I have put money on a few of the raffles on the Random Draw Tack page. I have won twice out of the probably 15-20ish raffles I have entered one, I don't know anyone working in the group or any of the sellers. I ended up with a couple of nice used PHT prodcuts so I was happy with that. But at the end of it all.. I probably spent enough in all my raffles to buy one of those items haha. It was fun when I first noticed the group but have noticed a few people winning ALL the time. The thrill/excitement is no longer there and now it's just feels like throwing money away... I was never sure about the raffling a horse off thing... too much to worry about with that situation. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | LAC - 2016-05-02 10:06 AM Reminds me of this joke: Young Chuck moved to Montana and bought a horse from a farmer for $100.00. The farmer agreed to deliver the horse the next day. The next Day he drove up and said, "Sorry, Son, but I have some bad news, The horse died." Chuck replied, "Well, then just give me my money back." The farmer said, "Can't do that. I went and spent it already." Chuck said, "Ok, then, just bring me the dead horse." The farmer asked, "What ya gonna do with him?" Chuck said, "I'm going to raffle him off." The farmer said, "You can't raffle off a dead horse!" Chuck said, "Sure I can. Watch me. I just won't tell anybody he's dead." A month later, the farmer met up with Chuck and asked, "What happened With that dead horse?" Chuck said, "I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at two dollars a Piece and made a net profit of $898.00." The farmer said, "Didn't anyone complain?" Chuck said, "Just the guy who won. So I gave him his two dollars back." Chuck grew up and now works for the government.
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| Some people seem to buy several spots in each raffles. If it's a 20 spot raffle and you buy 5 spots, you've got fairly good odds to win, so I can see where the same people could keep winning if they are willing to purchase a large number of spots.
I've bought in to a few but the novelty has worn off a little (probably because I haven't won anything haha!). | |
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Location: TEXAS | barrelrider - 2016-05-02 10:45 AM
On the facebook page, you can buy a random number for almost anything. I hadn't seen this before this weekend. (Guess I'm behind. LOL!) I first saw a lady that sells "kid friendly rodeo horses" put her daughter's $45,000 horse on the page and start selling spots.
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| Isn't this sort of the SAME thing? This has been around for YEARS.
http://www.crankyape.com/
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A Somebody to Everybody
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That looks like more of a auction, you just send in a bid. But the ad had buy a random spot for 100 dollars you can buy as many as you like and you send them the money and hope that the spot are spots you picked will be the winner. | |
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Location: Kansas | I attempted to list a beaded draw gag headstall, nobody bought a spot HA!
But saw an ad on facebook for a "pro" horse that they wanted $200 a spot, at 200 spots which equals out to be $40,000. Plus I've seen several more people posting grade junky looking horses and wanting pretty much $10,000 after it's all said and done lol.
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