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| Just be cautious especially if this is a gelding.
Ace even given once can cause permanent damage to the muscles that retract the penis, therefore can cause urinary incontinence, and have the penis continually hanging out. |
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| Personally I prefer chlorpromazine but be careful how much you give them. ?? |
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Location: Oregon | Oxy Zen - Works great and won't make them 'druggy' (is that a real word lol?)
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| I would always trust what my vet suggests as they are the professional.
I have used and do use ace on many occasions on some horses I think it makes them sluggish, but that is my opinion.
I currently have a young one that acts very much like the horse you describe and I have been using Animal Element In The Zone. It is a paste comes in a tube like bute its $20 and you can get at least 4 doses. Its great stuff does not take any run out but just settles those nerves so they can focus. I would think it would be worth a shot to try. Animal Element are all natural products, and no I'm not a dealer just a happy customer lol! |
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| cheryl makofka - 2016-06-08 2:49 PM
Just be cautious especially if this is a gelding.
Ace even given once can cause permanent damage to the muscles that retract the penis, therefore can cause urinary incontinence, and have the penis continually hanging out.
Asked my vet about this very thing. She said in that small a dose won't likely happen. And I can't give it BEFORE I haul because that increases the risk of penis paralyzation. |
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Location: Georgia | WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-06-08 4:16 PM zylkene has make a huge difference in my rodeo mare. I load it two days before and then use it through the weekend.
I second this product. Best stuff ever. |
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Location: Georgia | Runninbay - 2016-06-08 6:52 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-06-08 4:16 PM zylkene has make a huge difference in my rodeo mare. I load it two days before and then use it through the weekend.
I second this product. Best stuff ever.
Where can you get this stuff at and how is it administered? |
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Location: Winging It in KY | Just heard an infomercial on this product, Zylkene, this morning on Rural Radio. Said that you can get it from your vet but it is not a perscription. Googled it and saw it at Valley Vet and Amazon. Looks to be $150. Administered with packets.
ETA product name.
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| I would give Guanabenz instead of Ace. I had to give it to a nervous gelding on the pattern and it really helps with the focuse part and it doesn't take away from their performance. I've done 1/2 ccs up to 2ccs. |
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| cuckleburr - 2016-06-09 8:54 AM Just heard an infomercial on this product, Zylkene, this morning on Rural Radio. Said that you can get it from your vet but it is not a perscription. Googled it and saw it at Valley Vet and Amazon. Looks to be $150. Administered with packets.
ETA product name.
go to viovet.com and order it from the UK. Its only 100 dollars compared to 150 and it only takes 10 days to get. Ive already ordered two boxes from viovet.com.
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| I prefer the guanabenz also, faster acting but the downside is that it gets expensive. About the ace- you will likely need more than 1cc orally. If it's a small horse (900lbs 14 hands), 1.5-2 may do.
Larger horses I always start at the low 1.5-2 cc dose. Rarely have I seen results with that low, but I have once so it depends on the horse. Work your way up to a higher dose, play around with it at home. I've had to do at least 2-3cc an hour before ride. I know people that will do 4cc oral. Just depends on the horse sensitivity. Go the oral route over shots.
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| Guanabenze- Are you giving it orally or injection? |
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| Just an update. Went to the barrel race last night and gave 1/2cc ace 2 hours out, which turned into THREE hours out by the time I ran. They had to wait for sun to go down as it was messing with the electric eye.  I get it, just messed up my dosing plans. My colt warmed up good/same as always but where I noticed a positive change was coming into the arena for our run. Normally he is NOT hyper, but " Tight" and ready to run, and explodes from the line. This time he CALMLY walked in on a lose rein. I set him at the starting line few seconds and then made my run. THat was a positive VERY positive step forward. THat dosage should be fine I think. He was NOT Dull and did NOT stumble. Not sluggish. His behavior tied to the trailer was MUCH MUCH better. No pawing and looking around. He sat there and munched grass hay like a gentleman until I saddled. I still need to fix his first barrel a little but we placed good in 3D and I didnt ask for ANY speed.
My next trial is going to be to see what dosage is good IM. Last night I went IV. If I can get good results IM then I would prefer to save his veins. |
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Location: Brady, Texas | I give mine IM as well and 1/2 cc. Good to hear he did so well. My horse does the same now, I can walk him in loose rein and is like a different horse and not a ball of nerves.  |
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| mmstanley - 2016-06-10 9:57 AM
I give mine IM as well and 1/2 cc. Good to hear he did so well. My horse does the same now, I can walk him in loose rein and is like a different horse and not a ball of nerves.
Thanks, next time I am going to try 1/2cc IM!!!! |
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| My shoer made a great comment about aceing horse's that are hard to shoe. What he doesn't like is the horse being under the influence doesn't learn. They are drugged. The best thing is to TEACH your horse to be good for the shoer. I feel the same goes for training. I want my horse's to LEARN, not be drugged to learn. They can't retain training if under the influence. Just a thought for you. Personally I would never ace my horse to train them. If I can't ride them un drugged, I better get my act together or find a better trainer to start them. |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | okhorselover - 2016-06-10 5:57 PM My shoer made a great comment about aceing horse's that are hard to shoe. What he doesn't like is the horse being under the influence doesn't learn. They are drugged. The best thing is to TEACH your horse to be good for the shoer. I feel the same goes for training. I want my horse's to LEARN, not be drugged to learn. They can't retain training if under the influence. Just a thought for you. Personally I would never ace my horse to train them. If I can't ride them un drugged, I better get my act together or find a better trainer to start them.
Totally disagree with this statement. My x is a shoer and he always uses it on hard to shoe horses. We use it on colts when we first start trimming them because they don't fight and have a bad experience. They LEARN it isn't bad. We have never had to continue to use it after one or two times. |
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| ozcancrasher13 - 2016-06-10 9:14 PM
okhorselover - 2016-06-10 5:57 PM My shoer made a great comment about aceing horse's that are hard to shoe. What he doesn't like is the horse being under the influence doesn't learn. They are drugged. The best thing is to TEACH your horse to be good for the shoer. I feel the same goes for training. I want my horse's to LEARN, not be drugged to learn. They can't retain training if under the influence. Just a thought for you. Personally I would never ace my horse to train them. If I can't ride them un drugged, I better get my act together or find a better trainer to start them.
Totally disagree with this statement. My x is a shoer and he always uses it on hard to shoe horses. We use it on colts when we first start trimming them because they don't fight and have a bad experience. They LEARN it isn't bad. We have never had to continue to use it after one or two times.
Me too. Lots of high dollar calf horses are trained on Ace and weaned off.
I've had several young horses that I've used chemical calming products on, just a handful of times, that go on to be solid nice horses. It's all in how you use it. |
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| okhorselover - 2016-06-10 3:57 PM
My shoer made a great comment about aceing horse's that are hard to shoe. What he doesn't like is the horse being under the influence doesn't learn. They are drugged. The best thing is to TEACH your horse to be good for the shoer. I feel the same goes for training. I want my horse's to LEARN, not be drugged to learn. They can't retain training if under the influence. Just a thought for you. Personally I would never ace my horse to train them. If I can't ride them un drugged, I better get my act together or find a better trainer to start them.
I respectfully disagree and so does my performance horse vet. She used to work for s very prominent Thorobred race horse farm and they used small doses of ace to train colts in the starting gate. It gives them an absolute " positive " experience. Once they learned it was a positive place they no longer had to use it. I have talked to a lot of people that use it and when used correctly in small doses it certainly ALLOWS them to think and learn. It's the same concept for kids with ADHD. If they are unable to control themselves in school they are not learning. Once they get dosage correct the child is able to manage impulses, sit quietly, and pay attention to the lessons in school. |
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Location: TEXAS | I have no problem using a little chemical calming because I want the horse to have a good experience and keep my farrier forever happy, healthy and on schedule to get to his other clients... A lot of horses we had in for training were either spoiled, not handled much or had bad training, we had no problem using a little Ace to keep everyone safe... Of course always with permission from owner and vet supervision.
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