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 Poor Cracker Girl
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | SKM - 2016-07-18 1:36 PM TrackinBubba - 2016-07-18 11:33 AM SKM - 2016-07-18 12:09 PM TrackinBubba - 2016-07-18 9:56 AM SKM - 2016-07-18 11:39 AM TrackinBubba - 2016-07-18 9:33 AM SKM - 2016-07-18 10:46 AM GLP - 2016-07-18 8:33 AM If you don't mind my asking, what made ya'll think to look at his neck? When the vet did a lameness exam, he tested very positive for soreness in the SI to the two flexion tests for SI that she did. She said he was about the 4th sorest SI she'd ever seen. She said if they are really sore in the SI, you ALWAYS need to X-ray the neck as a chronically sore SI could be due to a neck injury. He did not go off on any neurological tests so she was very optimistic that we caught it in time and could manage it. It's when you have no idea there's anything wrong so arthritis develops that you have neuro issues as the arthritis starts to grind and pinch on the spinal chord. That's when you end up with wobblers. As eye opening as this has been with what I went through with Sidekick and now Fame, if I ever have a horse get in a wreck or buy from someone, you can bet I will spend the money to get neck X-rays.
How did they flex the SI? I have a colt with a sore loin and the nagging sensation that something is off. She sort of hooked the hock on her knee and pulled it behind him then trotted him off. The other one she sort of picked it up, held it at the gaskin and right before the move off she lifted it higher as the handler went off. Both tests had that SI in extension. He also pretty much refused to go to the right in a small circle. His injury is on the left side to turning his head right really hurt.
Thanks SKM!  I hadn't either. She did some reverse flexion tests on Vegas I had never seen used before either.  Lol! She is married with a son who much be 3 or 4 so maybe.
Score! I'll help finance the baby's trip to Disney World.
Shoot, if she can tell me what's wrong with this horse I'll drive her there myself, give them a tour, and make it so they can skip all the lines. |
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| If you don't mind me asking who the vet is and where is she located? You can pm if you would like.
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 Hog Tie My Mojo
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Location: Opelousas, LA | So do all horses that fracture thier neck eventually need injections?
Just wondering because we have had one filly that we knew had fractured her neck and a really nice gelding that we got right before he was to be ruled off the track for fighting the gates. Never had a vet suggest injecting the neck even on the one we knew had a healed fracture. I am sure this happens to a lot of racehorses, between setting back on the walker and fighting the gates with a flipping rig on. |
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Location: Nebraska | can a normal vet do xrays or does it need a stronger machine? |
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| Barnmom - 2016-07-18 3:35 PM
So do all horses that fracture thier neck eventually need injections?Â
Just wondering because we have had one filly that we knew had fractured her neck and a really nice gelding that we got right before he was to be ruled off the track for fighting the gates.  Never had a vet suggest injecting the neck even on the one we knew had a healed fracture. I am sure this happens to a lot of racehorses, between setting back on the walker and fighting the gates with a flipping rig on.Â
The vet told me that she does a lot of track horses with these injuries. The trainer and owner just do them like clockwork once a year. If you have one that you know has the injury, I would recommend at least annual X-rays to see if you have arthritis developing and to keep a record of the changes. I have no idea what the average time frame in for wobblers. Sidekick took 7 years to show neuro symptoms and about 2 more years before he died.
She said that the arthritis is what causes the problems. |
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Saint Stacey
| brlracerchick - 2016-07-18 3:44 PM
 can a normal vet do xrays or does it need a stronger machine?
My vet has a portable digital. She could see the fractures, but couldn't really tell the side they were on with the X-ray. The ultrasound to do the injection showed them as being on the left. Ultrasounds are pretty pricey when you don't really know where to start. |
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Miracle in the Making
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| Personally i think your lucks as h as i have a spinal cord injury if the neck is fractured your lucky he is alive
breaking or cracking a vertbere is not that simple a fiix injection if it was humans dr would be all over
me with a cracked c5 c7 c7 paralized |
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Saint Stacey
| vjls - 2016-07-18 6:26 PM
Personally i think your lucks as h as i have a spinal cord injury if the neck is fractured your lucky he is alive
breaking or cracking a vertbere is not that simple a fiix injection if it was humans dr would be all overÂ
me with a cracked c5 c7 c7  paralizedÂ
It's what she referred to as a Hammer Fracture. A chip might be a better way to describe it. He chipped the wings of the vertebrae. His head was tied to the right. He fell on the left side with the neck bent towards the right. |
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Hog Tie My Mojo
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Â SKM, was your mare sore in her neck also, or just the SI? Just wondering if this is something a chiro would miss? |
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Location: Iowa | My horse also has something like this. He started developing a lump on the top of his scapula. Had him xrayed this winter and found out what it was. He stated it was an old injury, might have happened 10 years prior. He didn't have any ideas what to do for him that would be long lasting. He said if he drained it, it would come right back. |
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 Go Canada!
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| SKM - 2016-07-18 10:22 AM GLP - 2016-07-18 9:06 AM SKM - 2016-07-18 9:46 AM GLP - 2016-07-18 8:33 AM If you don't mind my asking, what made ya'll think to look at his neck? When the vet did a lameness exam, he tested very positive for soreness in the SI to the two flexion tests for SI that she did. She said he was about the 4th sorest SI she'd ever seen. She said if they are really sore in the SI, you ALWAYS need to X-ray the neck as a chronically sore SI could be due to a neck injury. He did not go off on any neurological tests so she was very optimistic that we caught it in time and could manage it. It's when you have no idea there's anything wrong so arthritis develops that you have neuro issues as the arthritis starts to grind and pinch on the spinal chord. That's when you end up with wobblers. As eye opening as this has been with what I went through with Sidekick and now Fame, if I ever have a horse get in a wreck or buy from someone, you can bet I will spend the money to get neck X-rays. Thank you for explaining the reasoning. I would have never thought to look at the neck with the SI problems you had. I appreciate the shared knowledge. We always assume our vets know everything, but with so much that can go wrong with horses, I am not sure it is really fair. I have seldom found a vet that would not listen to a suggestion if you give them a good reason to look elsewhere. You just supplied me with that should I need it. I think neck injuries are much more common than people realize. A horse runs into a fence, sort of bounces off, gets up and we assume they are fine because they walk off without looking bad. Or a trainer ties one around, they get in a fight, end up flipping and the trainer gets them up. The horse, again, appears to be okay so the trainer goes on. Years down the road you have a horse with neuro signs and you have no idea why.
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Saint Stacey
| Barnmom - 2016-07-21 7:54 AM
 SKM, was your mare sore in her neck also, or just the SI? Just wondering if this is something a chiro would miss?
I have a chiro come out every 6 weeks. Nothing ever really seemed off in his neck like his SI. His SI has always been a problem. But my chiro is more about passive aggressive stretching than actual cracking. He basically puts the horse in a position where the horse fixes itself. I shudder to think of someone truly cracking this horse. |
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Miracle in the Making
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| SKM - 2016-07-18 8:34 PM vjls - 2016-07-18 6:26 PM Personally i think your lucks as h as i have a spinal cord injury if the neck is fractured your lucky he is alive
breaking or cracking a vertbere is not that simple a fiix injection if it was humans dr would be all over
me with a cracked c5 c7 c7 paralized It's what she referred to as a Hammer Fracture. A chip might be a better way to describe it. He chipped the wings of the vertebrae. His head was tied to the right. He fell on the left side with the neck bent towards the right.
i cracked my vertbre and i am paralized just lucky the horse is |
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