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| Bear - 2016-08-02 2:38 PM
There once was a similarly flawed Palomino with one eye from South Dakota. The dumb asses didn't geld him either. Can you imagine such stupidity?
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cheryl makofka - 2016-08-02 5:06 PM iloveequine40 - 2016-08-02 4:46 PM She comes with everything needed to be registered. I've had ZERO issues with all the previous foals sold and the new owner getting them registered. It costs a little more bc of DNA testing but that's it You have to get the executator (sp ) of the will to sign the registration application plus the transfer and i beleive have it notarized or aqha will not accept it. To me I wont buy one with this baggage on it as I bought one from an estate, nice mare, aqha wouldnt complete the transfer even though I had everything in order, (will ,court documents, signed transfer and the papers )
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| I already know all this. Been doing this for a year and a half. Again have had ZERO issues as we have all legal docs in place. I simply needed value information. Only offered explanation(regrettably) to try to stave off the get her fixed commentary. The emotional and mental aspects of caring for these animals is exhausting bc not any of the heirs, save the surviving owner give two eggs about them only their value. So please, I'm asking nicely, save me the lectures and guilt. I feel terrible enough about it |
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| How much have you been getting from the other colts you have been selling?
Interestingly enough there are no sale results yet on Coronado Cartel foals.
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Location: sunny california | iloveequine40 - 2016-08-02 3:26 PM I already know all this. Been doing this for a year and a half. Again have had ZERO issues as we have all legal docs in place. I simply needed value information. Only offered explanation(regrettably) to try to stave off the get her fixed commentary. The emotional and mental aspects of caring for these animals is exhausting bc not any of the heirs, save the surviving owner give two eggs about them only their value. So please, I'm asking nicely, save me the lectures and guilt. I feel terrible enough about it
Sorry I did not mean to guilt you. I thought you were one of the heirs and in the will you got the responsibility of the horses |
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| I've sold 10 horses in the last year ranging from weanling to 3 yr olds from $2500-20k This was our first Coronado Cartel, this is my first "handicap". I was devastated when I found her blind in that eye. I took every precaution. I know he was booked full again this year super early. |
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| No kwantha. I've worked for them for years and when she suddenly passed I literally took over everything as the husband had no knowledge about the "business" side of it ie financial, paperwork, etc. I never met her children until after she passed. Estranged. When this is all settled I will be unemployed but at peace bc I loved these horses the way she did and I did everything with honesty and integrity. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-02 5:17 PM
cheryl makofka - 2016-08-02 5:06 PM iloveequine40 - 2016-08-02 4:46 PM She comes with everything needed to be registered. I've had ZERO issues with all the previous foals sold and the new owner getting them registered. It costs a little more bc of DNA testing but that's it You have to get the executator (sp ) of the will to sign the registration application plus the transfer and i beleive have it notarized or aqha will not accept it. To me I wont buy one with this baggage on it as I bought one from an estate, nice mare, aqha wouldnt complete the transfer even though I had everything in order, (will ,court documents, signed transfer and the papers )
That is what I was trying to saying. No papers in hand no value. Sounds easy but may not be. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | streakysox - 2016-08-02 6:01 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-02 5:17 PM
cheryl makofka - 2016-08-02 5:06 PM iloveequine40 - 2016-08-02 4:46 PM She comes with everything needed to be registered. I've had ZERO issues with all the previous foals sold and the new owner getting them registered. It costs a little more bc of DNA testing but that's it You have to get the executator (sp ) of the will to sign the registration application plus the transfer and i beleive have it notarized or aqha will not accept it. To me I wont buy one with this baggage on it as I bought one from an estate, nice mare, aqha wouldnt complete the transfer even though I had everything in order, (will ,court documents, signed transfer and the papers )
That is what I was trying to saying. No papers in hand no value. Sounds easy but may not be.
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| iloveequine40 - 2016-08-02 5:26 PM
I already know all this. Been doing this for a year and a half. Again have had ZERO issues as we have all legal docs in place. I simply needed value information. Only offered explanation(regrettably) to try to stave off the get her fixed commentary. The emotional and mental aspects of caring for these animals is exhausting bc not any of the heirs, save the surviving owner give two eggs about them only their value. So please, I'm asking nicely, save me the lectures and guilt. I feel terrible enough about it
Since the papers are not in hand, and a lot of people have had bad experiences with the situation you have described, the pool of people willing to buy has dropped significantly.
Unless it is a smoking deal
One eyed, no papers in hand top dollar I would say is 1500 and the colt may move within a month
If you are able to sit on the colt for awhile 2k may take 2-4 months to sell
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Location: Arkansas | iloveequine40 - 2016-08-02 5:48 PM
No kwantha. I've worked for them for years and when she suddenly passed I literally took over everything as the husband had no knowledge about the "business" side of it ie financial, paperwork, etc. I never met her children until after she passed. Estranged. When this is all settled I will be unemployed but at peace bc I loved these horses the way she did and I did everything with honesty and integrity.
I commend you for your honesty and mostly for caring about the horses' welfare above all else. I've been on the family side of bad situations like this, and I cannot imagine what you're going thru as an innocent bystander. . . . . Again, I'm glad you see the horses as more than dollar signs. |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | iloveequine40 - 2016-08-02 6:26 PM I already know all this. Been doing this for a year and a half. Again have had ZERO issues as we have all legal docs in place. I simply needed value information. Only offered explanation(regrettably) to try to stave off the get her fixed commentary. The emotional and mental aspects of caring for these animals is exhausting bc not any of the heirs, save the surviving owner give two eggs about them only their value. So please, I'm asking nicely, save me the lectures and guilt. I feel terrible enough about it
I think most of the responses were confused as they thought you were an heir. I think what you are doing is really respectable and great! As for the filly, it's a hard one to price due to being appendix (many people shy from) and then the stud hasn't been around long enough to see what his offspring does on the track or arena. Then add in the hernia and one eye and even though you have the papers ready to go - it will be more costly and scare some people away. I think realistically if you got $1,500 you would be very lucky. IMO I'd try to find a good home for her and not worry so much about the financial side on this one. Write this one off as a loss and do the best you can in placing her somewhere good with a low price tag. Hang in there...sounds like a nightmare situation. Keep us posted! |
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| This may be a stupid question, and has little to do with opinion on her value, but why can't she be registered before selling? That would at least maybe interest more people who would be scared off by that risk. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I know people who have down right horrible experiences purchasing from an estate sale. The only thing this filly has going for her is her sire is booked and has been booked, and well, she's a filly.... Off spring has yet to be proven. What happens if the filly doesn't sell by the fall and the offspring that is supposed to race fails miserably?
Until you get her registered and prove to me as a buyer she can be registered, or until you get the hernia taken care of I myself wouldn't spend more than $500 on her. Not because she's a bad bred filly or because she's handicapped but simply because there are so many variables that are up in the air, I wouldn't want to make an investment on a filly that may or may not be registered and that may or may not cost an arm and a leg to have surgery for or that may or may not be ran succesfully or bred succesfully (No proof of registration) ... People aren't saying you are lying or that you don't have all the necesary papers. People have simply been told that how many times? and AQHA has still refused registration to them will all documents in hand. |
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Location: Running my kids somewhere. | You have my best wishes as you move forward. I had to do something similar but only for a few horses. How fast do they want the estate closed? Will they allow you to have work done on the filly before she is sold? If not I would not go over $1500. With time, her faults and the situation I would be worry about going any higher. I'm sorry you are dealing with this, but at least in the end you know they will be taken care of and the previous owner will be looking out for you. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I would just send in the paper work for the filly, get her papers and get her hernia fixed. So that way you have papers in hand with a signed transfer and no hernia and go from there on the pricing of the filly. Someone may be willing to pay more for her this way. I know I would. |
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| You are on too much of an emotional trip to make the right business decisions for this estate ....... you should step aside and let the executor and his lawyers hold an auction to get rid of the Financial Bleeding ...
You have had 17 months to get all of these horses registered, transfers signed with descriptive photo packets on each and placed in the executor's hands and we hear your defensive indignant statement of all the papers are in hand ... you are supposed to be a knowledgeable employee and not a hindrance getting this estate closed for the husband and children regardless of their interest or your feelings.
FYI: AQHA, JOCKEY CLUB has to have a death certificate, statements galore from the court and other parties involved that should have been completed long ago!!
If you are concerned about this filly .. then ask permission to buy her at the price you are pushing to get while knowing this one eyed hernia inflicted filly wouldn't bring $250 at a sale. Unproven sire and out of a $300 unraced aged TB mare!!
As the horse representative ..... what's the total head count of horses ... is the estate being billed for horses in training and what is your feeding program and are you capable of vetting most of your problems or one of these that have daily vet calls to your barn ??????????????
We know you are drawing a salary so it is your obligation ethically and loyalty wise to get a move on and get this situation under control as quickly as possible ... and stop acting like a rescue farm. With the lapse of 17 months and no sale packets completed on any of the horses, training bills still flowing in .... step aside and let the executor and court handle it.
As far as prices go ... TB's are going for free or almost nothing bred or not bred; healthy appendix babies are under a $1000, typical qh mares $500 to $3500 if the right bidder is there ...
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If they own Coronado Cartel ... he needs to be sold immediately .... the advertising monies, care costs and breeding facility charges to the owners are almost sinful ..... He stands at a major stallion station so his advertising is a minimum of $10,000/year paid up front by the owners when stallion is accepted into their stallion battery and continues year by year. At $2500 stud fee the owners are very very lucky to end up with $500 for each mare bred.
Looking at the posters as bidders ... let's let their suggested sale prices be their bid and let the highest price fork over the money and buy this filly!!
ALL SALES ARE FINAL WITH NO RETURNS ...
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| Thank you for the supportive answers. All the horses ARE registered except for the '16 foals. I'm about to start the paperwork for them. I work closely with the AQHA, administrator and lawyers and have had ZERO issues. I understand and respect some of you have had bad experiences with these types of sales. I'm not asking anyone to buy her. I simply needed information regarding her value at this time. We are working on estate inventory andd values. Because of the issues with this particular filly we have to justify investing more $.
To the jerk that said I need to step aside: what a a cowardly thing to do? It's my job as assistant to the executor to help in all manners. I should quit because it's stressful? I'm allowed to have personal feelings but that doesn't mean I can't advise, advocate and make logical decisions. Is that what you do when the going gets tough? Quit?
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| Your between the lines accusations are way out of line. My "salary" is laughable. You seem like a bitter person who doesn't believe that there are honest and good people to do things with honesty and integrity. Where the HELL did I say this was a rescue? This is one filly and her condition? I came here for help, not to be a martyr, not a judgement/condemnation. The executor has done everything by the book on the advice of his attorneys. You drew a lot of conclusions and made assumption that are so far out in left field, OMG. You sound like a moron |
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