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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Regardless of if the claims are true why would someone sue if they had no evidence?
I wouldn't spend money on a lawsuit unless I had evidence and knew for a fact the evidence would hold up when tested.
Sorry, but I will only feed Bluebonnet feeds. It's a shame Bluebonnet is hard for people to get a hold of in all states.
Tribute may have satisfied customers and that's great but so does Safechoice and we all know how UNSAFE SAFEchoice really is. The people who are satisfied are the ones who are highly uninformed as to how dangerous this additive can be to our horses.
Sometimes the people who are not informed are the feed mills themselves. A company may say they are ionophore free but unless they own and manage the mill their feed is produced in they really have no idea. Most mills tell companies they are free and they are really not. So the company believes they are free until something like this happens and the truth comes out to both the cutomer and the company. The customer sues the company and then the company later sues the mill. Happens a lot.
Does tribute own ALL the mills their feed is produced in? Because if they don't I doubt they really know what's going on in the mills. Can't be there 24/7 to manage something you don't own.....
Just my two cents.
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so,i have the FDA file that states the bins are Not flushed or washed between batches.....Mr.FRED COUTINHO,the quality and safety manager answers like this...............The actions we have taken to improve our processes related to the observations that were documented on FORM483 by FDA investigators on April 15th 2016.
in april of 2015 we found the auto flushing at the end of medicated feeds was not being recorded in our electronic batching records.We immediatly investigated the issues and worked withthe supplier of the automated system to make changes to ensure the auto flushwas working properly and being reported in the electronic batch records.The final portion of the changes were completed during the week of may 18th 2015 when the technitionfrom the automation system company was onsite toimplement and validate the changes.
In order to improve effectiveness of the air blow offbetween batches in the hand add hopper we have thouroughly cleaned the hopper to remove all buildup and prevent thepotential of any residue hanging up on the walls of the hopper between batches.Furthermore we have implemented a periodic inspection and cleaning procedureto monitor and maitainand document the cleanliness of the hopper.
In addition to cleaning and flushing we will continue to use sequencing of feeds through the rest of ourprocess according to ourinternal sequencing of feeds through the rest of our process according to ourinternal sequencingchart that has been developed using the feed additive compendium to ensure feed safety. |
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Location: OH. IO | jake16 - 2016-08-17 11:36 AM
so,i have the FDA file that states the bins are Not flushed or washed between batches.....Mr.FRED COUTINHO,the quality and safety manager answers like this...............The actions we have taken to improve our processes related to the observations that were documented on FORM483 by FDA investigators on April 15th 2016.
in april of 2015 we found the auto flushing at the end of medicated feeds was not being recorded in our electronic batching records.We immediatly investigated the issues and worked withthe supplier of the automated system to make changes to ensure the auto flushwas working properly and being reported in the electronic batch records.The final portion of the changes were completed during the week of may 18th 2015 when the technitionfrom the automation system company was onsite toimplement and validate the changes.
In order to improve effectiveness of the air blow offbetween batches in the hand add hopper we have thouroughly cleaned the hopper to remove all buildup and prevent thepotential of any residue hanging up on the walls of the hopper between batches.Furthermore we have implemented a periodic inspection and cleaning procedureto monitor and maitainand document the cleanliness of the hopper.
In addition to cleaning and flushing we will continue to use sequencing of feeds through the rest of ourprocess according to ourinternal sequencing of feeds through the rest of our process according to ourinternal sequencingchart that has been developed using the feed additive compendium to ensure feed safety. Now,in addition to what the stated above i am beyond ****ed off!!!!! Im trying to find the post that they came on here and stated they only made horse feed at this particular facility. The answer to the FDA reports prove they are NOT TELLING THE TRUTH.Come on back here ladies we want some answers!!!!! Today I am calling all three of the feed mills in my area. Im also sending samples to be tested so if anyone on here can give me a place to safely send them to i will be grateful. I also read in the court record that tribute kept the samples of hay and feed they took from the farm in their custody only,it goes on and on.
To the folks on here i recomended this feed to..... All i can say is im sorry,and i hope they are held accountable for all they have lied about.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:36 AM
so,i have the FDA file that states the bins are Not flushed or washed between batches.....Mr.FRED COUTINHO,the quality and safety manager answers like this...............The actions we have taken to improve our processes related to the observations that were documented on FORM483 by FDA investigators on April 15th 2016.
in april of 2015 we found the auto flushing at the end of medicated feeds was not being recorded in our electronic batching records.We immediatly investigated the issues and worked withthe supplier of the automated system to make changes to ensure the auto flushwas working properly and being reported in the electronic batch records.The final portion of the changes were completed during the week of may 18th 2015 when the technitionfrom the automation system company was onsite toimplement and validate the changes.
In order to improve effectiveness of the air blow offbetween batches in the hand add hopper we have thouroughly cleaned the hopper to remove all buildup and prevent thepotential of any residue hanging up on the walls of the hopper between batches.Furthermore we have implemented a periodic inspection and cleaning procedureto monitor and maitainand document the cleanliness of the hopper.
In addition to cleaning and flushing we will continue to use sequencing of feeds through the rest of ourprocess according to ourinternal sequencing of feeds through the rest of our process according to ourinternal sequencingchart that has been developed using the feed additive compendium to ensure feed safety.
So what happens when someone gets lazy and doesn't clean them as thoroughly as this ONE time they documented???
You get a sick or dead horse. And a lawsuit......  |
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Location: OH. IO | IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 11:42 AM jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:36 AM
so,i have the FDA file that states the bins are Not flushed or washed between batches.....Mr.FRED COUTINHO,the quality and safety manager answers like this...............The actions we have taken to improve our processes related to the observations that were documented on FORM483 by FDA investigators on April 15th 2016.
in april of 2015 we found the auto flushing at the end of medicated feeds was not being recorded in our electronic batching records.We immediatly investigated the issues and worked withthe supplier of the automated system to make changes to ensure the auto flushwas working properly and being reported in the electronic batch records.The final portion of the changes were completed during the week of may 18th 2015 when the technitionfrom the automation system company was onsite toimplement and validate the changes.
In order to improve effectiveness of the air blow offbetween batches in the hand add hopper we have thouroughly cleaned the hopper to remove all buildup and prevent thepotential of any residue hanging up on the walls of the hopper between batches.Furthermore we have implemented a periodic inspection and cleaning procedureto monitor and maitainand document the cleanliness of the hopper.
In addition to cleaning and flushing we will continue to use sequencing of feeds through the rest of ourprocess according to ourinternal sequencing of feeds through the rest of our process according to ourinternal sequencingchart that has been developed using the feed additive compendium to ensure feed safety. So what happens when someone gets lazy and doesn't clean them as thoroughly as this ONE time they documented???
You get a sick or dead horse. And a lawsuit......
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:45 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 11:42 AM jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:36 AM
so,i have the FDA file that states the bins are Not flushed or washed between batches.....Mr.FRED COUTINHO,the quality and safety manager answers like this...............The actions we have taken to improve our processes related to the observations that were documented on FORM483 by FDA investigators on April 15th 2016.
in april of 2015 we found the auto flushing at the end of medicated feeds was not being recorded in our electronic batching records.We immediatly investigated the issues and worked withthe supplier of the automated system to make changes to ensure the auto flushwas working properly and being reported in the electronic batch records.The final portion of the changes were completed during the week of may 18th 2015 when the technitionfrom the automation system company was onsite toimplement and validate the changes.
In order to improve effectiveness of the air blow offbetween batches in the hand add hopper we have thouroughly cleaned the hopper to remove all buildup and prevent thepotential of any residue hanging up on the walls of the hopper between batches.Furthermore we have implemented a periodic inspection and cleaning procedureto monitor and maitainand document the cleanliness of the hopper.
In addition to cleaning and flushing we will continue to use sequencing of feeds through the rest of ourprocess according to ourinternal sequencing of feeds through the rest of our process according to ourinternal sequencingchart that has been developed using the feed additive compendium to ensure feed safety. So what happens when someone gets lazy and doesn't clean them as thoroughly as this ONE time they documented???
You get a sick or dead horse. And a lawsuit......
Hope your horses stay safe jake16.
Search the forums for rachellynn89 and it should pull up the original feed posts that everyone was posting safe feed too. I bet you'll find their remarks in one of her original posts. 
ETA: Someone posted a few options for getting feed tested too that were a third party and wouldn't cover what they found, if anything. If I were you I would have every bag I owned tested. Some bags may not have it and some may have it. Just the luck of the batches you get...
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| IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 10:36 AM
Regardless of if the claims are true why would someone sue if they had no evidence?
I wouldn't spend money on a lawsuit unless I had evidence and knew for a fact the evidence would hold up when tested.
Sorry, but I will only feed Bluebonnet feeds. It's a shame Bluebonnet is hard for people to get a hold of in all states.
Tribute may have satisfied customers and that's great but so does Safechoice and we all know how UNSAFE SAFEchoice really is. The people who are satisfied are the ones who are highly uninformed as to how dangerous this additive can be to our horses.
Sometimes the people who are not informed are the feed mills themselves. A company may say they are ionophore free but unless they own and manage the mill their feed is produced in they really have no idea. Most mills tell companies they are free and they are really not. So the company believes they are free until something like this happens and the truth comes out to both the cutomer and the company. The customer sues the company and then the company later sues the mill. Happens a lot.
Does tribute own ALL the mills their feed is produced in? Because if they don't I doubt they really know what's going on in the mills. Can't be there 24/7 to manage something you don't own.....
Just my two cents.
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Location: OH. IO | IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 11:47 AM jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:45 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 11:42 AM jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:36 AM
so,i have the FDA file that states the bins are Not flushed or washed between batches.....Mr.FRED COUTINHO,the quality and safety manager answers like this...............The actions we have taken to improve our processes related to the observations that were documented on FORM483 by FDA investigators on April 15th 2016.
in april of 2015 we found the auto flushing at the end of medicated feeds was not being recorded in our electronic batching records.We immediatly investigated the issues and worked withthe supplier of the automated system to make changes to ensure the auto flushwas working properly and being reported in the electronic batch records.The final portion of the changes were completed during the week of may 18th 2015 when the technitionfrom the automation system company was onsite toimplement and validate the changes.
In order to improve effectiveness of the air blow offbetween batches in the hand add hopper we have thouroughly cleaned the hopper to remove all buildup and prevent thepotential of any residue hanging up on the walls of the hopper between batches.Furthermore we have implemented a periodic inspection and cleaning procedureto monitor and maitainand document the cleanliness of the hopper.
In addition to cleaning and flushing we will continue to use sequencing of feeds through the rest of ourprocess according to ourinternal sequencing of feeds through the rest of our process according to ourinternal sequencingchart that has been developed using the feed additive compendium to ensure feed safety. So what happens when someone gets lazy and doesn't clean them as thoroughly as this ONE time they documented???
You get a sick or dead horse. And a lawsuit......
Hope your horses stay safe jake16.
Search the forums for rachellynn89 and it should pull up the original feed posts that everyone was posting safe feed too. I bet you'll find their remarks in one of her original posts.
ETA: Someone posted a few options for getting feed tested too that were a third party and wouldn't cover what they found, if anything. If I were you I would have every bag I owned tested. Some bags may not have it and some may have it. Just the luck of the batches you get...
I am searching through those threads now,the problem is it is hard to search if its over a year.but,im confident i will find it. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | When I was having consistency problems with Triple Crown, one of their guys told me he lived close to the one mill and went there all the time to watch over the milling...Yeah...okay..that made me feel better as I still was getting crap feed..LOL |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:51 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 11:47 AM jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:45 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 11:42 AM jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:36 AM
so,i have the FDA file that states the bins are Not flushed or washed between batches.....Mr.FRED COUTINHO,the quality and safety manager answers like this...............The actions we have taken to improve our processes related to the observations that were documented on FORM483 by FDA investigators on April 15th 2016.
in april of 2015 we found the auto flushing at the end of medicated feeds was not being recorded in our electronic batching records.We immediatly investigated the issues and worked withthe supplier of the automated system to make changes to ensure the auto flushwas working properly and being reported in the electronic batch records.The final portion of the changes were completed during the week of may 18th 2015 when the technitionfrom the automation system company was onsite toimplement and validate the changes.
In order to improve effectiveness of the air blow offbetween batches in the hand add hopper we have thouroughly cleaned the hopper to remove all buildup and prevent thepotential of any residue hanging up on the walls of the hopper between batches.Furthermore we have implemented a periodic inspection and cleaning procedureto monitor and maitainand document the cleanliness of the hopper.
In addition to cleaning and flushing we will continue to use sequencing of feeds through the rest of ourprocess according to ourinternal sequencing of feeds through the rest of our process according to ourinternal sequencingchart that has been developed using the feed additive compendium to ensure feed safety. So what happens when someone gets lazy and doesn't clean them as thoroughly as this ONE time they documented???
You get a sick or dead horse. And a lawsuit......
Hope your horses stay safe jake16.
Search the forums for rachellynn89 and it should pull up the original feed posts that everyone was posting safe feed too. I bet you'll find their remarks in one of her original posts.
ETA: Someone posted a few options for getting feed tested too that were a third party and wouldn't cover what they found, if anything. If I were you I would have every bag I owned tested. Some bags may not have it and some may have it. Just the luck of the batches you get...
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | Oh Jake16 I'm so glad you are on it, I'm scared to death for my horses and everyone else's. After the last scare with the ADM feed I researched to find what I thought was the best choice in our area. Totally lied to... I was assured over and over that this plant was safe. I've told my vet last yr that my horse rides like he has been drugged or poisoned, but I never got him tested at that time. Horrified now... Yes, if anyone know where to have feed tested please post it. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | TwistedK - 2016-08-17 8:26 AM I've gone back to the basics. I ONLY feed alfalfa pellets, Adeptus Augment (vitamin/organic trace minerals) and free choice bermuda hay. I do not trust any complete feeds and although I've fed Bluebonnet in the past, it's not worth putting my horse at risk.
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Location: Oklahoma | Nevertooold - 2016-08-17 11:21 AM
TwistedK - 2016-08-17 8:26 AM I've gone back to the basics. I ONLY feed alfalfa pellets, Adeptus Augment (vitamin/organic trace minerals) and free choice bermuda hay. I do not trust any complete feeds and although I've fed Bluebonnet in the past, it's not worth putting my horse at risk.
How do you know if your alfalfa pellets are safe? They are processed.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Nevertooold - 2016-08-17 11:21 AM TwistedK - 2016-08-17 8:26 AM I've gone back to the basics. I ONLY feed alfalfa pellets, Adeptus Augment (vitamin/organic trace minerals) and free choice bermuda hay. I do not trust any complete feeds and although I've fed Bluebonnet in the past, it's not worth putting my horse at risk. How do you know if your alfalfa pellets are safe? They are processed.
I know Standlee alfalfa pellets and cubes are manufactured in facilities they own. They do not produce any medicated feed so there is no risk of contamination when there is nothing being used to contaminate. Standlee can be bought at TSC and most feed stores or you can order online and they can ship to your home.
I emailed them a while back and have done research via trusty Google. LOL
They are good.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | TwistedK - 2016-08-17 11:26 AM Nevertooold - 2016-08-17 11:21 AM TwistedK - 2016-08-17 8:26 AM I've gone back to the basics. I ONLY feed alfalfa pellets, Adeptus Augment (vitamin/organic trace minerals) and free choice bermuda hay. I do not trust any complete feeds and although I've fed Bluebonnet in the past, it's not worth putting my horse at risk. How do you know if your alfalfa pellets are safe? They are processed. I am feeding the Standlee which was safe at least last year when the list of safe feed came out...
That's good but I do know a lot of people think all alfalfa pellets are safe and they aren't. |
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Location: Willows, CA | The answer is Renew Gold. Not just dedicated non medicated production lines. No medicated feeds made at the facility. No outside premixes that that might be contaminated. No medications on the property.
Guaranteed.
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | Exactly!!! How do you know what goes into them??? |
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | Not the answer if you can't get it in this area. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | winwillows - 2016-08-17 11:33 AM The answer is Renew Gold. Not just dedicated non medicated production lines. No medicated feeds made at the facility. No outside premixes that that might be contaminated. No medications on the property. Guaranteed. Win
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