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Location: TEXAS | I've been searching for info since I saw your story before it was posted here. I haven't found anything in recent years as in studies or medical research labs. I wonder why that is? |
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Location: Texas | TBone - 2016-09-08 9:32 AM My horse was diagnosed with this in July, 2015. I have owned him his entire life and he is 14 this year. He has a life long history of coughing & allergies. Yes, I live east of I35 and my horses are out on coastal bermuda pasture. He got so bad one year that I couldn't even ride him at a walk without him having a coughing attack. He also started bleeding after a run. Vet just recommended scoping every 6 months to keep an eye on him. I started him on Curost Total Equine & Immune & Repair with phenomenol results. I am now only giving him the Total. I do keep him in EXCELLENT condition and I breeze him to open his lungs up to maxiumum capacity. I run him on 3cc of Lasix and Ventipulmin starting two days before a race. I am considering trying the OxyO2 instead of the Ventipulmin. But he feels & is running better than he ever has... PRAISE THE LORD!
Just wanted to give an update. My horse bled thru Lasix the last time I ran him. Took him into the vet and he has scarring from the Cicatrix that is causing him to displace his soft palate which in turn is reducing his oxygen intake and causing his EIPH to be worse. The Cicatrix is dormant but he has a throat infection. 14 days of antibiotics and stuff to ease his throat. Then it is recommended to have tie-forward surgery to keep him from displacing. Success will depend on being able to pull the tie up over the scarring. I had discontinued the Curost Immune and thought he was doing ok. I am starting it again along with keeping him on the Total. I have since moved ALL three of my horses off my beautiful, lush coastal bermuda pasture. :( They are in a small pasture that has a little bit of grass but I'm sure they will have it eaten out in no time. Putting a round bale out with a hay chix net for them to "graze" on and they are stalled at night. This is totally foreign to me and to my horses! They have always been out on a big pasture. We are all doing our best to adjust. I just don't want to risk either of my other two getting this! |
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| I pm'd you with who to contact about this. I have never delt with it, Thank God, but Shelly has. I gave you her bhw name.
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| TBone - 2016-11-25 5:15 PM TBone - 2016-09-08 9:32 AM My horse was diagnosed with this in July, 2015. I have owned him his entire life and he is 14 this year. He has a life long history of coughing & allergies. Yes, I live east of I35 and my horses are out on coastal bermuda pasture. He got so bad one year that I couldn't even ride him at a walk without him having a coughing attack. He also started bleeding after a run. Vet just recommended scoping every 6 months to keep an eye on him. I started him on Curost Total Equine & Immune & Repair with phenomenol results. I am now only giving him the Total. I do keep him in EXCELLENT condition and I breeze him to open his lungs up to maxiumum capacity. I run him on 3cc of Lasix and Ventipulmin starting two days before a race. I am considering trying the OxyO2 instead of the Ventipulmin. But he feels & is running better than he ever has... PRAISE THE LORD! Just wanted to give an update. My horse bled thru Lasix the last time I ran him. Took him into the vet and he has scarring from the Cicatrix that is causing him to displace his soft palate which in turn is reducing his oxygen intake and causing his EIPH to be worse. The Cicatrix is dormant but he has a throat infection. 14 days of antibiotics and stuff to ease his throat. Then it is recommended to have tie-forward surgery to keep him from displacing. Success will depend on being able to pull the tie up over the scarring. I had discontinued the Curost Immune and thought he was doing ok. I am starting it again along with keeping him on the Total. I have since moved ALL three of my horses off my beautiful, lush coastal bermuda pasture. :( They are in a small pasture that has a little bit of grass but I'm sure they will have it eaten out in no time. Putting a round bale out with a hay chix net for them to "graze" on and they are stalled at night. This is totally foreign to me and to my horses! They have always been out on a big pasture. We are all doing our best to adjust. I just don't want to risk either of my other two getting this!
Have you tried the pythium vaccine? It halted the progress in mine and they graze 24/7. My vet also saudjeciuid remove the scar tissue with surgery. |
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Location: Texas | Everything I have read from other's trying it and my vet agreed that removing the scar tissue is not very successful. My vet also said the vaccine is not proven 100% effective either. I'm not willing to take ANY chances! |
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| TBone - 2016-11-26 6:53 AM Everything I have read from other's trying it and my vet agreed that removing the scar tissue is not very successful. My vet also said the vaccine is not proven 100% effective either. I'm not willing to take ANY chances!
Yes the vaccine is not effective in all horses. My vet said he has about a 70% success rate with the vaccine. I am fortunate it did work in mine. Mine were diagnosed a few months after moving to our new place. Prior to moving 2 of my 4 were scoped for different reasons and did not have it, none were symptomatic prior to moving. A year after giving the vaccine, they had another episode, I gave the 3 series shot again and at 60 days they were clean, I gave the 3 shot series the next year to be safe, this year I did a one shot booster. Mine remained grazing 24/7 except for weather. It is a scary condition, wish they could find the cause. I tried the vaccine because I did not want to leave any stone unturned in trying to help them but you do have to let them out to see if it is effective-uggg. My barn was being built and I did not have a way to confine them so the choice was easy. I did have my husband build huge stalls and huge pens off of each stall in case it did not work. |
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Location: Texas | That is great, so happy the vaccine worked for you. I will look into it further. It would be worth giving, even if I can let them out to graze only for a couple of hours per day when the grass is completely dry and not too lush. I am still in the paranoid phase.  Thanks for the feedback. |
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| TBone - 2016-11-26 8:09 AM That is great, so happy the vaccine worked for you. I will look into it further. It would be worth giving, even if I can let them out to graze only for a couple of hours per day when the grass is completely dry and not too lush. I am still in the paranoid phase. Thanks for the feedback.
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Location: Texas | Mine was actually diagnosed in July, 2015. I was never told about any vaccine or that it was progressive and I needed to keep him off the grass. The current vet I am working with is not that same vet. He did mention the vaccine, also said it was quite expensive and not 100% proven. But I guess if there is a chance it would work it would be worth giving. I am also going to ask about Flexineb or Equiresp nebulizer treatments. Has anyone used either of these for nebulizing medications deep in the lungs?
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| turn3turnsok - 2016-09-14 7:39 PM I've been searching for info since I saw your story before it was posted here. I haven't found anything in recent years as in studies or medical research labs. I wonder why that is?
Great question, especially since I feel it's more prevalent than people really think, no telling how many undiagnosed horses are out there. |
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Location: Texas | in the veterinary world, especially in Texas, cicatrix is so well known, its like a broken record. There still isn't any good explanation for what causes it. The reason why some believe pythium is involved is because pythium is found in the same geographic locations as cicatrix. But so are other diseases, so I'm not sure why they picked pythium to try and connect the dots.
People have had success with the pythium vaccine, but I am just gun shy on it. There's no hard science that says it works, its all been anecdotal.
surgically removing the scarring will not provide any long term success with it.
I also believe that many horses have subclinical cicatrix in their pharynx and many do not progress throughout their lives.. a small percentage get a very severe reaction and seem to scar more and over over the years and are the ones that end up with permanent trachs. We had it blow through our barn a few years ago when everyone seemed to be acutely affected. From those 9-10 horses, only one has scarring to any extent that will need a trach in the future. We treated with oral dex for a few weeks and then stopped. We have kept them on pasture as well. |
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Location: Central Texas | I have 4 with it currently. Two are on the new vaccine series of ten. One of those is in the acute stage and is also getting anti-inflammatories and antibiotics. The other has scarring. Two we are not giving the vaccine because one is older and one is getting inflammatries and antibiotics. I think I have that all straight! They are ALL (seven) now dry-lotted from their beautiful pasture. So now, we are making note payments on the pasture and paying for all their feed and hay. Bad stuff! |
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| Wow, no way to kill it off? What if you grazed cattle on it for a couple years, would that get rid of it? |
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Location: Texas | GLP - 2016-11-27 6:07 PM
Wow, no way to kill it off? What if you grazed cattle on it for a couple years, would that get rid of it?
We don't know what causes it, so hard to kill off what you don't know to look for. Can't pin it down to a bacteria, virus, fungi, toxin, anything. |
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| casualdust07 - 2016-11-27 6:34 PM
GLP - 2016-11-27 6:07 PM
Wow, no way to kill it off? What if you grazed cattle on it for a couple years, would that get rid of it?
We don't know what causes it, so hard to kill off what you don't know to look for. Can't pin it down to a bacteria, virus, fungi, toxin, anything.
Oh, wow, yep can't kill it when you don't know the cause!  |
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