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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | jd&ez - 2016-09-26 7:50 AM Frodo - 2016-09-25 4:13 PM Vickie - 2016-09-25 2:06 PM Buy American, the job you save may be your own. Support your Union, they work to keep jobs at home. Powerful and corrupt unions are the reason Detroit is dying and many of our vehicles are being built in Mexico.
I get it that someone would hate the unions that support the working men and women of this country, that's why there's Trump voters. But blame goes where blame goes.
who do we blame for your stupidity?
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| I don't know about the rest of the article but the part about Smithfield is a lie.
Yes, Smithfield was purchased by China last year but it is business as usual for us and nothing has changed in the way we produce our product.
Hogs are not sent overseas, processed, and sent back. That would be pretty stupid and not very cost effective.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jd&ez - 2016-09-26 6:50 AM
Frodo - 2016-09-25 4:13 PM Vickie - 2016-09-25 2:06 PM Buy American, the job you save may be your own. Support your Union, they work to keep jobs at home. Powerful and corrupt unions are the reason Detroit is dying and many of our vehicles are being built in Mexico.
I get it that someone would hate the unions that support the working men and women of this country, that's why there's Trump voters. But blame goes where blame goes.
People like you and other liberal sycophants love to promote the false narrative that Reagan was responsible for the demise of the unions.
The fact of the matter is that Jimmy Carter created the paradigm for dealing with illegal strikes by public sector unions like PATCO. It was the Carter administration that developed the policy that would eventually be put into play during the illegal PATCO strike, including a plan for hiring scab replacements. All Regan did was muster the courage to pull the trigger and fire the striking air traffic controllers.
Also, for the record, subsequent to that PATCO strike, Regan was endorsed by many unions, including the Teamsters, in the subsequent 1984 election over Mondale.
All that aside, the decline of unions began well before Reagan. Corruption, thuggery, and cronyism led to the gradual decline of unions from their peak in the 1950's. At their peak, over 33% of American workers belonged to a union, and that number is now down to less than 10%. Like so many other organizations, unions have become a wing of the Democrat party, and that has fueled a lot of resentment amongst workers who do not want to see their union dues go toward an across-the-board support of Democrat politicians. |
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Location: MT | Bear - 2016-09-26 8:32 AM jd&ez - 2016-09-26 6:50 AM Frodo - 2016-09-25 4:13 PM Vickie - 2016-09-25 2:06 PM Buy American, the job you save may be your own. Support your Union, they work to keep jobs at home. Powerful and corrupt unions are the reason Detroit is dying and many of our vehicles are being built in Mexico.
I get it that someone would hate the unions that support the working men and women of this country, that's why there's Trump voters. But blame goes where blame goes. People like you and other liberal sycophants love to promote the false narrative that Reagan was responsible for the demise of the unions. The fact of the matter is that Jimmy Carter created the paradigm for dealing with illegal strikes by public sector unions like PATCO. It was the Carter administration that developed the policy that would eventually be put into play during the illegal PATCO strike, including a plan for hiring scab replacements. All Regan did was muster the courage to pull the trigger and fire the striking air traffic controllers. Also, for the record, subsequent to that PATCO strike, Regan was endorsed by many unions, including the Teamsters, in the subsequent 1984 election over Mondale. All that aside, the decline of unions began well before Reagan. Corruption, thuggery, and cronyism led to the gradual decline of unions from their peak in the 1950's. At their peak, over 33% of American workers belonged to a union, and that number is now down to less than 10%. Like so many other organizations, unions have become a wing of the Democrat party, and that has fueled a lot of resentment amongst workers who do not want to see their union dues go toward an across-the-board support of Democrat politicians.
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Location: MT | Wishful - 2016-09-26 8:03 AM I don't know about the rest of the article but the part about Smithfield is a lie. Yes, Smithfield was purchased by China last year but it is business as usual for us and nothing has changed in the way we produce our product. Hogs are not sent overseas, processed, and sent back. That would be pretty stupid and not very cost effective. Don't believe everything on the internet.
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Location: Windoming | Kry5ta1 - 2016-09-25 7:37 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-25 6:05 PM Kry5ta1 - 2016-09-25 6:43 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-25 11:41 AM My main point is that the government (USDA or FDA ) will never be able to employ the manpower needed to inspect all products brought into the States. It is up to the manufacture to comply with the rules of the land. "FDA inspects or samples less than 1 percent of all regulated products seeking entry into the United States". http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm048631.htm Soooooo... my solution? Keep production in the USA. Make it easier for major corporations to stay. |
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| I would love to buy farmers market produce, and local farm raised pork, beef, poltry, and dairy products. I honestly do not fully trust what is in our super markets anymore. I dont care for the production practices of mega farms. Im still going to eat meat but I would rather buy it from a farm where the animal lived like an animal, and was treated with a little respect. |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | No worries, when we loose our pollinators we won't have any fruits and veggies to be concerned about, over 40% of the honeybees lost in 14-15. But hey, keep spraying those pesticide's. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | justcruzin - 2016-09-26 10:45 AM No worries, when we loose our pollinators we won't have any fruits and veggies to be concerned about, over 40% of the honeybees lost in 14-15. But hey, keep spraying those pesticide's.
That is why Green Giant moved a lot of their operations to Mexico so they could use pesticides that they can't in the US. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Kry5ta1 - 2016-09-25 8:37 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-25 6:05 PM Kry5ta1 - 2016-09-25 6:43 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-25 11:41 AM You would be amazed at how many of our frozen foods, including veggies, come from Asia and Mexico. Fish inspections for imports were turned over to the USDA in April, and in the first 2 weeks, they had rejected more Asian fish and seafood than the FDA had in 2 years. There have been many more shipments rejected since, and some ships turned around without docking rather than submit to inspections. Now congress wants to hand inspections back to the FDA over "budget concerns". Haha. While that is a plus, we cannot rely on government to monitor our food supply from overseas. They are only able to inspect something like...~2% of facilities in the states let alone incoming shipments from countries without the same food regulations. Unfortunately for food manufacturers the food safety modernization act probably propelled this outsourcing. We have made it so difficult to produce product on our home soil I am not surprised. Yes. The USDA is on site for meat processing. But that is one foodstuff. They are not required to be on site for say... Cheese/Milk/Fruit/Etc. My main point is that the government (USDA or FDA ) will never be able to employ the manpower needed to inspect all products brought into the States. It is up to the manufacture to comply with the rules of the land. "FDA inspects or samples less than 1 percent of all regulated products seeking entry into the United States". http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm048631.htm Soooooo... my solution? Keep production in the USA. Make it easier for major corporations to stay.
Oh, you're right about the imports. I don't personally trust food imported from developing countries because you know their regulatory framework is lax even if they have regs in place. That's why I get so mad at the attitude of legislators, both federal and state, who are trying to make it extremely difficult for our farmers to stay in business and then say "well, let 3rd world countries grow the food since they can do it cheaper"...then we here at home get accused of poisoning people by the very consumers we're feeding even though we are producing the safest most abundant food supply in the world. Ugh.
Have y'all heard what California has done to their Ag industry in the last few months? They obviously are trying to drive Ag out of their state. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Wishful - 2016-09-26 9:03 AM I don't know about the rest of the article but the part about Smithfield is a lie. Yes, Smithfield was purchased by China last year but it is business as usual for us and nothing has changed in the way we produce our product. Hogs are not sent overseas, processed, and sent back. That would be pretty stupid and not very cost effective. Don't believe everything on the internet.
That hoax was going around about Tyson last year. I didn't know the details of the Smothfield deal, thanks for chiming in. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Silly Filly - 2016-09-26 9:49 AM Kry5ta1 - 2016-09-25 7:37 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-25 6:05 PM Kry5ta1 - 2016-09-25 6:43 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-25 11:41 AM My main point is that the government (USDA or FDA ) will never be able to employ the manpower needed to inspect all products brought into the States. It is up to the manufacture to comply with the rules of the land. "FDA inspects or samples less than 1 percent of all regulated products seeking entry into the United States". http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm048631.htm Soooooo... my solution? Keep production in the USA. Make it easier for major corporations to stay. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | justcruzin - 2016-09-26 10:45 AM No worries, when we loose our pollinators we won't have any fruits and veggies to be concerned about, over 40% of the honeybees lost in 14-15. But hey, keep spraying those pesticide's.
That's bullcrap. Bee numbers are higher now than they have been in a decade. There have been losses, some from insecticides, but mostly from varroa mites and accompanying diseases. Beekeepers have replaced the losses and then some. Don't believe every crap thing you read on the internet. The scientific beekeeper is a great source for real bee info. |
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Location: Windoming | Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-26 10:25 AM Silly Filly - 2016-09-26 9:49 AM Kry5ta1 - 2016-09-25 7:37 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-25 6:05 PM Kry5ta1 - 2016-09-25 6:43 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-25 11:41 AM My main point is that the government (USDA or FDA ) will never be able to employ the manpower needed to inspect all products brought into the States. It is up to the manufacture to comply with the rules of the land. "FDA inspects or samples less than 1 percent of all regulated products seeking entry into the United States". http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm048631.htm Soooooo... my solution? Keep production in the USA. Make it easier for major corporations to stay. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Wishful - 2016-09-26 9:03 AM I don't know about the rest of the article but the part about Smithfield is a lie. Yes, Smithfield was purchased by China last year but it is business as usual for us and nothing has changed in the way we produce our product. Hogs are not sent overseas, processed, and sent back. That would be pretty stupid and not very cost effective. Don't believe everything on the internet.
Thanks for setting the record straight on Smithfield. Now we need to hope that it never happens as the USDA did open the door to allow chicken to be shipped over to China and be processed although it has not happened..as of yet, but sure doesn't mean it won't. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Silly Filly - 2016-09-26 11:49 AM Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-26 10:25 AM Silly Filly - 2016-09-26 9:49 AM Kry5ta1 - 2016-09-25 7:37 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-25 6:05 PM Kry5ta1 - 2016-09-25 6:43 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-25 11:41 AM My main point is that the government (USDA or FDA ) will never be able to employ the manpower needed to inspect all products brought into the States. It is up to the manufacture to comply with the rules of the land. "FDA inspects or samples less than 1 percent of all regulated products seeking entry into the United States". http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm048631.htm Soooooo... my solution? Keep production in the USA. Make it easier for major corporations to stay. |
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| Welcome.... There have been no changes structurally nor has there been any personnel changes ether. We were never in a bind nor needed to be acquired to remain afloat. We are solid and have always been so... it just happened to be a good business move and also allowed us to expand more into overseas markets.
So we can take over the hog industry worldwide...muaahhhaaaaahha! (insert scary evil voice here) :)
just kidding
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Location: The end of the Earth, SE AR | Its interesting to note that whenever there is an outbreak of high pathologic avain influenza in the poultry industry here in the U.S., even if its in one house in one state, or in a layer house (for eggs) instead of a grower house for meat, Mexico, Japan and China put an immediate embargo on U.S. Poultry - no exports to their country. Naturally that puts a financial hardship on the poultry industry and most importantly the growers in the U.S. I guess they think we are a nasty as we think their food is? |
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| Hello this has been going on for along time people where have you been almost all of our large farms are being sold to China |
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Location: Florida | The fact that the FDA has been defunded is a big part of the problem. The packing houses know that the odds of them being inspected are small. They feel safe cutting corners. |
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