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Location: Bastrop, Texas | What I have a hard time understanding is why someone would carry her pregnancy this far, when the infant is totally viable, only to have it executed in such a barbaric manner. Did people notice how big that baby was? Did you notice his legs kicking, as the doctor drove those scissors into his skull to scramble his brain? Why not just finish the pregnancy and give the baby a chance to live? |
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Location: north dakota | I watched the debate. I was wondering why they considered Medicare and Social Security entitlement when a person pays into the programs their entire working life. |
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Location: north dakota | Bear - 2016-10-20 8:32 AM
What I have a hard time understanding is why someone would carry her pregnancy this far, when the infant is totally viable, only to have it executed in such a barbaric manner. Did people notice how big that baby was? Did you notice his legs kicking, as the doctor drove those scissors into his skull to scramble his brain? Why not just finish the pregnancy and give the baby a chance to live?
I don't know how anyone can be for partial birth abortions. One of my kids was born at 36 weeks and she didn't even need supplemental Oxygen and went home with me a day later. If I remember correctly at 24 weeks a baby has a chance of surviving with advanced life support in the NICU. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | ndcowgirl - 2016-10-20 10:36 AM Bear - 2016-10-20 8:32 AM What I have a hard time understanding is why someone would carry her pregnancy this far, when the infant is totally viable, only to have it executed in such a barbaric manner. Did people notice how big that baby was? Did you notice his legs kicking, as the doctor drove those scissors into his skull to scramble his brain? Why not just finish the pregnancy and give the baby a chance to live? I don't know how anyone can be for partial birth abortions. One of my kids was born at 36 weeks and she didn't even need supplemental Oxygen and went home with me a day later. If I remember correctly at 24 weeks a baby has a chance of surviving with advanced life support in the NICU.
My daughter was a NICU nurse before she became a NP - their "start" to life was 23 weeks. They had quite a few babies go on and live a normal life.
I can't watch or even look at the pics on FB - makes me so sick to my stomach. |
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Location: Ky | Hillary kicked his racist, bigoted arse once again. I'm sure he is glad he doesn't have to do another debate.
The GOP had the perfect chance to take the White House this election but instead they nominated this totally inept piece of crap.
Well, he is the face of the alt-right which has taken over the GOP. I understand a reasonable republican being appalled by that face but they didn't step up and stop the takeover.
The GOP nominated the one person that can't beat Clinton. And the irony is, even if he had won he is a democrat politically. You want to talk abortions? Trump has always been in favor of abortions. He only says he's not now because he is the GOP nominee.
Once this is over he will go back to his original position.
The Trump supporters have been played. |
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| jd&ez - 2016-10-20 9:46 AM Hillary kicked his racist, bigoted arse once again. I'm sure he is glad he doesn't have to do another debate.
The GOP had the perfect chance to take the White House this election but instead they nominated this totally inept piece of crap.
Well, he is the face of the alt-right which has taken over the GOP. I understand a reasonable republican being appalled by that face but they didn't step up and stop the takeover.
The GOP nominated the one person that can't beat Clinton. And the irony is, even if he had won he is a democrat politically. You want to talk abortions? Trump has always been in favor of abortions. He only says he's not now because he is the GOP nominee.
Once this is over he will go back to his original position.
The Trump supporters have been played.
Other that the stupidity of your first statement, there's actually some truth to the rest of what you state. Guess there's a first time for everything. |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | ndcowgirl - 2016-10-20 10:30 AM I watched the debate. I was wondering why they considered Medicare and Social Security entitlement when a person pays into the programs their entire working life.
the entitlement comes in when those benefits are given to individuals who have never paid into the system.
did i hear them correctly that we are now supporting 60%of individuals in this country? how is it possible for 40% of us to pay for 60%?
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Location: OH | luluwhit - 2016-10-20 11:01 AM ndcowgirl - 2016-10-20 10:30 AM I watched the debate. I was wondering why they considered Medicare and Social Security entitlement when a person pays into the programs their entire working life. the entitlement comes in when those benefits are given to individuals who have never paid into the system.
did i hear them correctly that we are now supporting 60%of individuals in this country? how is it possible for 40% of us to pay for 60%?
Part of the plan----who is going to vote for someone who is going to take stuff away from them. One step closer to Socialism. |
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Location: OH | Bear - 2016-10-20 9:32 AM What I have a hard time understanding is why someone would carry her pregnancy this far, when the infant is totally viable, only to have it executed in such a barbaric manner. Did people notice how big that baby was? Did you notice his legs kicking, as the doctor drove those scissors into his skull to scramble his brain? Why not just finish the pregnancy and give the baby a chance to live?
Why not give up for adoption---I do not understand this thinking. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | luluwhit - 2016-10-20 11:01 AM ndcowgirl - 2016-10-20 10:30 AM I watched the debate. I was wondering why they considered Medicare and Social Security entitlement when a person pays into the programs their entire working life. the entitlement comes in when those benefits are given to individuals who have never paid into the system.
did i hear them correctly that we are now supporting 60%of individuals in this country? how is it possible for 40% of us to pay for 60%?
For a joke - have you not looked at your pay check lately? |
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Location: north dakota | I just looked at mine. Between the various tax and health insurance half of my paycheck is gone. |
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Location: Ky | TXBO - 2016-10-20 9:52 AM jd&ez - 2016-10-20 9:46 AM Hillary kicked his racist, bigoted arse once again. I'm sure he is glad he doesn't have to do another debate.
The GOP had the perfect chance to take the White House this election but instead they nominated this totally inept piece of crap.
Well, he is the face of the alt-right which has taken over the GOP. I understand a reasonable republican being appalled by that face but they didn't step up and stop the takeover.
The GOP nominated the one person that can't beat Clinton. And the irony is, even if he had won he is a democrat politically. You want to talk abortions? Trump has always been in favor of abortions. He only says he's not now because he is the GOP nominee.
Once this is over he will go back to his original position.
The Trump supporters have been played. Other that the stupidity of your first statement, there's actually some truth to the rest of what you state. Guess there's a first time for everything.
Now I'm stupid for having a different opinion that what you have?
Then you are on the rest?
Let that sink in for a minute. |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | 3canstorun - 2016-10-20 11:18 AM
luluwhit - 2016-10-20 11:01 AM ndcowgirl - 2016-10-20 10:30 AM I watched the debate. I was wondering why they considered Medicare and Social Security entitlement when a person pays into the programs their entire working life. the entitlement comes in when those benefits are given to individuals who have never paid into the system.
did i hear them correctly that we are now supporting 60%of individuals in this country? how is it possible for 40% of us to pay for 60%?
I guess my question or statement should have read..... that is unstatainable.... yes I do payroll at my place of employment. I see everyones paycheck. and with the 25% health insurance increase we are taking..... there will be no raises in 2017.  |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | jd&ez - 2016-10-20 11:30 AM TXBO - 2016-10-20 9:52 AM jd&ez - 2016-10-20 9:46 AM Hillary kicked his racist, bigoted arse once again. I'm sure he is glad he doesn't have to do another debate.
The GOP had the perfect chance to take the White House this election but instead they nominated this totally inept piece of crap.
Well, he is the face of the alt-right which has taken over the GOP. I understand a reasonable republican being appalled by that face but they didn't step up and stop the takeover.
The GOP nominated the one person that can't beat Clinton. And the irony is, even if he had won he is a democrat politically. You want to talk abortions? Trump has always been in favor of abortions. He only says he's not now because he is the GOP nominee.
Once this is over he will go back to his original position.
The Trump supporters have been played. Other that the stupidity of your first statement, there's actually some truth to the rest of what you state. Guess there's a first time for everything.
Then you are on the rest?
Let that sink in for a minute.
While I realize you don't like Trump - that's okay - this is America. And I also realize in the past he was for "EARLY TERM" abortion and has since changed his view.
How do you justify LATE TERM ABORTION up to delivery date?
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Location: Ky | luluwhit - 2016-10-20 10:01 AM ndcowgirl - 2016-10-20 10:30 AM I watched the debate. I was wondering why they considered Medicare and Social Security entitlement when a person pays into the programs their entire working life. the entitlement comes in when those benefits are given to individuals who have never paid into the system.
did i hear them correctly that we are now supporting 60%of individuals in this country? how is it possible for 40% of us to pay for 60%?
You must have paid for 10 quarters to get Medicare or have been married to someone that did for 10 years.
SS is based on how much you paid in. But there is a minimum that person can get even if they didn't pay in much.
They really shouldn't be called entitlements. But saying the word entitlement has become a nice media buzzword.
What needs to be reformed in this country is SSI, (welfare), and Medicaid. |
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| grinandbareit - 2016-10-19 10:55 PM To those that agree with Hillary on partial birth abortions... here ya go... WARNING --- GRAPHIC CONTENT --- IF YOU WANT TO SLEEP TONIGHT DO NOT CLICK THIS LINK http://www.mrctv.org/videos/warning-graphic-partial-birth-abortion-...
Started to watch it but had to stop, too heart breaking. I can't believe anyone thinks this is ok and don't give me the argument that preventing late term abortion opens the door to more abortion restrictions. There is no excuse for this, it is barbaric. |
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Location: Ky | 3canstorun - 2016-10-20 10:33 AM jd&ez - 2016-10-20 11:30 AM TXBO - 2016-10-20 9:52 AM jd&ez - 2016-10-20 9:46 AM Hillary kicked his racist, bigoted arse once again. I'm sure he is glad he doesn't have to do another debate.
The GOP had the perfect chance to take the White House this election but instead they nominated this totally inept piece of crap.
Well, he is the face of the alt-right which has taken over the GOP. I understand a reasonable republican being appalled by that face but they didn't step up and stop the takeover.
The GOP nominated the one person that can't beat Clinton. And the irony is, even if he had won he is a democrat politically. You want to talk abortions? Trump has always been in favor of abortions. He only says he's not now because he is the GOP nominee.
Once this is over he will go back to his original position.
The Trump supporters have been played. Other that the stupidity of your first statement, there's actually some truth to the rest of what you state. Guess there's a first time for everything.
Then you are on the rest?
Let that sink in for a minute.
How do you justify LATE TERM ABORTION up to delivery date?
I never even attempted to justify that.
I was just pointing out that, if you are against abortion as an issue, neither of these candidates are with you. Both Trump and Clinton have been pro abortion for their entire adult life. Trump has only decided to say he is anti abortion since he got the GOP nomination.
Now, it may be possible that one could believe that he actually changed and is not just saying it for political reasons? I am not one of those people. |
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Location: Florida | Bibliafarm - 2016-10-19 11:31 PM slacy09 - 2016-10-19 11:15 PM Let me get this straight, she wants to take our guns away partly because toddlers have killed themselves with them but she's ok with a 9 month old fetus (baby) being cut apart and suctioned out of the womb??? She is nothing but filth! And I can't imagine why anyone, including Vickie, could support someone who thinks that's perfectly fine. I dare you or anyone that supports that to Google partial birth abortions and watch the videos. If you approve, then the devil must have your soul!! agree !!
She does not support partial birth abortion and furthermore, it is illegal to kill a viable infant even if it has horrible problems. No one ever has said they support killing babies at 9 or 8 or 7 etc months. Personally I do not agree with abortion except in situations involving the mother's life, rape, incest and a non-viable fetus. But I also believe in the constitution and it is not my right to tell someone else what to do. It is called Live and Let Live.
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Location: north dakota | Vickie - 2016-10-20 10:43 AM
Bibliafarm - 2016-10-19 11:31 PM slacy09 - 2016-10-19 11:15 PM Let me get this straight, she wants to take our guns away partly because toddlers have killed themselves with them but she's ok with a 9 month old fetus (baby) being cut apart and suctioned out of the womb??? She is nothing but filth! And I can't imagine why anyone, including Vickie, could support someone who thinks that's perfectly fine. I dare you or anyone that supports that to Google partial birth abortions and watch the videos. If you approve, then the devil must have your soul!! agree !!
It's legal to do elective abortions in NM up to 28 weeks |
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