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Location: SW North Dakota | GLP - 2016-11-01 9:43 AM My sister has a line of horses she loves because they are all a lot alike in the barrel pen. The first one she bought she did well with and so since he was a gelding, she bought his younger full sister. At first she thought she had made a mistake because as a 2 and 3 yr. old, she was so lazy, but once she figured out the barrels were for going fast, she turned out just like her brother. So a few years go by and she wants to bred the mare, so she buys her half sister (same mare, different stud). This mare was taller, more laid back and kind, but you got her in the alley way and she was the same as the other 2. All of these horses were WPRA money earning horses. I think it depends on the strength of the mare line. Of course, the stallions were top quality, too.
There is something to the consistency in the progeny of the more refined, somewhat line-bred horses for sure.
My two full siblings are out of a really good quality foundation, stock horse bred mare, but the 1940's thoroughbred type showed up in the gelding. The stud was physically awesome and gorgeous, but also foundation performace bred. So it stands to reason they're be some different cropouts in the foals. He's 17 hands, 1500# and fragile minded (except with ranch work, then he's the best). The mare is 15 hands, 1230# and the bulldog quarter horse type. She's crabby and serious. Both are talented, versitile and athletic- just much different to ride. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I have 2 by the same sire and they're a lot alike in the ways that matter. Color and size are different, the mare is a lot more aggravating "in your face" type who gets bored easily and entertains herself in ways you wish she wouldn't, and they ride slightly different because they were broke differently. But they're both basically kind, very smart and easy to train, want to please, similar body and head shapes (you can look at either one and know who their daddy is), with very similar movement and athleticism. They both have a lot of the same feel, turn a barrel the same style, and both hate curb chains but do great with a flat leather strap. Their daddy is known for stamping his babies strongly. Some genetics seem to be more likely to pass on than others.
I've had full sibs before that were way more different than these 2. I've been to ranches where the horses were strongly linebred and it was hard to tell any of the hundred or so apart whether they were siblings or not because the type was so set. | |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Â I've had many full and half siblings, same dam. Most were very different. | |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Murphy - 2016-11-01 10:16 AM
jschipper - 2016-11-01 11:08 AM Kgirl - 2016-11-01 7:44 AM Murphy - 2016-11-01 8:26 AM You consider half siblings to be out of the same mare. Can I please hug you? It drives me bananas when people say half siblings when they are by the same stallion. No, stop it!  Haha I will gladly take a hug!  But why don't you consider same stud half siblings? Also wondering this.... by DNA they are still half siblings regardless of which half it is....
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Location: When you hit the middle of nowhere .. Keep driving | I have bred and raised three full siblings out of my cow bred stud and a foundation mare. Two Fillies and a Colt. The first filly was too smart for words and stubborn... it took her next no time to learn something but you were in for a bit of a fight along the way, once she caught on you never had to show her again. She never feared anything and now is a lesson horse. The second filly was super willing, wanted to please and in your pocket, learned fast and it wasn't much fuss involved. She placed in Jr. Ranch horse at a local show as a two year old. The third one is a colt... well he's high strung with a touch of ADD and slightly suicidal. I raised them all and nothing really changed environmentally. | |
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Location: NE Texas | I'll second what Three 4 Luck stated above. There are some stallions who are stronger genetically. I understand not considering offspring by the same sire "half siblings", but in reality they are. The stallion T4L's horses are by stands in my area and over the years I have seen plenty of them spanking my butt out of all different types of mares, from cowbred mares to running bred mares, and they all have the same style and even look similar in how they are built. Some are big and some are rather small, but I can sit at a barrel race and watch one work and know they are by that stud.
I think Dash Ta Fame is a stallion that has produced the same "type" for the most part. They are usually easy to spot and their working style is very similar despite what kind of mare they're out of. If stallions didn't play a part in the "half sibling" deal, we wouldn't have high stud fees like his. Not arguing the terminology of "half sibling", just my opinion.
I have two horses by the same sire. I just bought one of them recently simply because I liked my gelding alot and he is a freak athlete, though I don't get to haul as much as i'd like and utilize his talent, so I bought the mare. She is bred very differently on the bottom side than my gelding. At the end of the day, he is a gelding, and the stallion is deceased, so in the even the freak athleticism, I at least wanted the opportunity to preserve it at some point with her if she proves herself. These two are very similar in alot of ways, both very athletic, though not sure yet if the mare is as freakish as the gelding, she shows potential. They are both pretty quirky, but thankfully in different ways, and they look and are built very similarly. They are both too smart for their own good, do not appreciate the monotony of the daily grind, and are kind of like border collie dogs and looking for something to "work". I realize it's not "correct" to call them half siblings, but to me they are. No differently than my brother and I are half siblings.
Now that I have two of these red heads, I want more and more. I should have started collecting sooner, but these two keep me on my toes and plenty busy! 
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| ND3canAddict - 2016-11-01 10:58 AM
GLP - 2016-11-01 9:43 AM My sister has a line of horses she loves because they are all a lot alike in the barrel pen. The first one she bought she did well with and so since he was a gelding, she bought his younger full sister. At first she thought she had made a mistake because as a 2 and 3 yr. old, she was so lazy, but once she figured out the barrels were for going fast, she turned out just like her brother. So a few years go by and she wants to bred the mare, so she buys her half sister (same mare, different stud). This mare was taller, more laid back and kind, but you got her in the alley way and she was the same as the other 2. All of these horses were WPRA money earning horses. I think it depends on the strength of the mare line. Of course, the stallions were top quality, too.
There is something to the consistency in the progeny of the more refined, somewhat line-bred horses for sure.Â
My two full siblings are out of a really good quality foundation, stock horse bred mare, but the 1940's thoroughbred type showed up in the gelding. The stud was physically awesome and gorgeous, but also foundation performace bred. So it stands to reason they're be some different cropouts in the foals. He's 17 hands, 1500# and fragile minded (except with ranch work, then he's the best). The mare is 15 hands, 1230# and the bulldog quarter horse type. She's crabby and serious. Both are talented, versitile and athletic- just much different to ride.Â
I can't remember if the dam was line bred, but she was a blue hen mare. I think that and the quality of the studs they bred her to were the keys to the success of the line. | |
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| GLP - 2016-11-01 10:43 AM
I think it depends on the strength of the mare line. Of course, the stallions were top quality, too.
Not only that, but the personality of the mare too. I get so frustrated when I hear people saying they are going to breed their mean/nasty mare because "that is all she is good for." Sorry, but if the dam is mean/nasty there is a good chance that the foal may turn out the same way. Monkey see - monkey do.
I don't think people consider that with recep mares all that much either. Just because the baby has good genetics seperate from the recep mare, doesn't mean that that recep mare isn't going to be teaching that baby things. | |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | I have had multiple sets of full and half siblings. Some are as different as night and day, others are SO alike they could be twins. One mare, her SONS are all alike and her fillies are alike. (She has had 8 that are full siblings) But the sons and daughters couldn't be more diferent from each other.
I had one mare whose foals were VERY much alike (both full had half siblings), except for ONE, and he was totally different.
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The Color Specialist
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | draftmare - 2016-11-01 10:44 AM GLP - 2016-11-01 10:43 AM I think it depends on the strength of the mare line. Of course, the stallions were top quality, too. Not only that, but the personality of the mare too. I get so frustrated when I hear people saying they are going to breed their mean/nasty mare because "that is all she is good for." Sorry, but if the dam is mean/nasty there is a good chance that the foal may turn out the same way. Monkey see - monkey do. I don't think people consider that with recep mares all that much either. Just because the baby has good genetics seperate from the recep mare, doesn't mean that that recep mare isn't going to be teaching that baby things.
Couldn't agree more! My sweetest, kindest, easy to get along with foals are out of mares that are EXACTLY like that. The ones that are a-holes have dams that are too! (And they are all by the same stallion. And HE isn't an a-hole or he would be a gelding!) | |
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Location: NW. Florida | Horses are no different the humans. You can raise two full siblings the same and they be as differnt as night and day. | |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | Full human siblings are usually very different as well. My neighbor and has an identical twin and they are the 2 most different personalities ever! | |
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| I have a super nice freakishly athletic mare that I started last fall and have been hitting futurities with this year. I liked her so much I started looking for siblings. After talking to some other people who had worked with babies out of the same stud, and the stud owner, I decided i wanted another out of the same stud to see if he/she was equally as nice.
My mare is very quirky, but in ways I find amusing. Also, she is very dominant, and has tons of attitude. I ended up finding a gelding that was out of the same stud in poor health/condition. I bought him for entirely too much money. The two of them could not be more different and alike at the same time. He is also very quirky.. in ways i don't always find amusing.. he is the biggest (16.2 hh) chicken.. if you look at him weird he runs away. He is beginning to become very athletic as well.. and i'm really starting to like him.
I recently had a chance to buy a 3/4 sister. (excuse my terminology if it is incorrect) The stud is the same and the two dams are out of the same stud, but different dams. So the two mares are bred almost identical except different granddams. I have not owned her long enough to comment on if she is alike or different from the other two running wise, but so far is also quirky. Almost identically quirky to my mare.
Build wise, the three of them could not be anymore different. I love them all
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| I have 4 that are out of the same mare, all by different sires. All 4 are built different. One hasn't been started yet. The two oldest ones are very similar in their turning styles and how fast they are. The next one might very well be the best of her brain ever settles down. All of them want to turn a barrel. All 4 have very different personalities. I adore all of them though. | |
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| ND3canAddict - 2016-11-01 10:21 AM
I have full siblings. They are the same color. The end.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kortnimarquette - 2016-11-04 2:18 PM I have a super nice freakishly athletic mare that I started last fall and have been hitting futurities with this year. I liked her so much I started looking for siblings. After talking to some other people who had worked with babies out of the same stud, and the stud owner, I decided i wanted another out of the same stud to see if he/she was equally as nice. My mare is very quirky, but in ways I find amusing. Also, she is very dominant, and has tons of attitude. I ended up finding a gelding that was out of the same stud in poor health/condition. I bought him for entirely too much money. The two of them could not be more different and alike at the same time. He is also very quirky.. in ways i don't always find amusing.. he is the biggest (16.2 hh ) chicken.. if you look at him weird he runs away. He is beginning to become very athletic as well.. and i'm really starting to like him. I recently had a chance to buy a 3/4 sister. (excuse my terminology if it is incorrect ) The stud is the same and the two dams are out of the same stud, but different dams. So the two mares are bred almost identical except different granddams. I have not owned her long enough to comment on if she is alike or different from the other two running wise, but so far is also quirky. Almost identically quirky to my mare. Build wise, the three of them could not be anymore different. I love them all
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| draftmare - 2016-11-01 12:44 PM
GLP - 2016-11-01 10:43 AM
I think it depends on the strength of the mare line. Of course, the stallions were top quality, too.
Not only that, but the personality of the mare too. I get so frustrated when I hear people saying they are going to breed their mean/nasty mare because "that is all she is good for." Sorry, but if the dam is mean/nasty there is a good chance that the foal may turn out the same way. Monkey see - monkey do.
I don't think people consider that with recep mares all that much either. Just because the baby has good genetics seperate from the recep mare, doesn't mean that that recep mare isn't going to be teaching that baby things.
We have a nasty mean TB mare and all 3 of her babies by different stallions are the absolute sweetest. I don't think she likes being a broodmare though | |
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| jschipper - 2016-11-01 11:18 AM
Murphy - 2016-11-01 8:16 AM
jschipper - 2016-11-01 11:08 AM Kgirl - 2016-11-01 7:44 AM Murphy - 2016-11-01 8:26 AM You consider half siblings to be out of the same mare. Can I please hug you? It drives me bananas when people say half siblings when they are by the same stallion. No, stop it!  Haha I will gladly take a hug!  But why don't you consider same stud half siblings? Also wondering this.... by DNA they are still half siblings regardless of which half it is....
Ah, well, each to their own I suppose. I call my two mares who are 'by the same stud' sisters. And they very much are. I will continue to do so, regardless of those who think it is so wrong
It's not wrong. Of course they're still 50/50 genetics wise.
However, it may be misleading - especially if you're selling. Stallions can have get numbering in the hindreds, out of hundreds of different mares. Advertising a horse as being a half sibling to a successful horse doesn't add much weight to the claim if there are literally hundreds just like him/her.
On the other hand, horses that are considered half siblings are out of the same mare. That's much less common. Mares can also only produce a small fraction of what studs can.
Edited by Just Plain Lucky 2016-11-05 4:53 AM
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Location: Texas | None of mine are old enough to be competing yet. But I have noticed similarities both from the mares that have had multiple babies, and from sires I have bred back to with different mares.
My Stoli daughter has 3/3 produced very sweet, personable foals. She herself is very friendly and personable/curious and will come up for baths when you are filling water troughs. The First Down French was pretty much an angel- easy to train, not in your business, and very friendly. We longer own him and his owners have him pointed at futurities next year. The Firewater Ta Fame was just as friendly, but personality X 10. He gets into everything, and plays with those big jolly balls and loves water. The youngest is her first filly, and shes a Slick By Design. She is very sweet like the rest but has the most spunk. She is just like her dam in that, if you're filling water troughs, she expects you to hose her off too. I think the spunkiness is more the fact she's a filly. Long story short, even though they are all three different, I feel they are all three very talented. Conformationally, the FWTF takes after his sire and the SBD looks just like her at this point. The FDF was an even mix.
Now looking at sire side- we have had 3 First Down French babies. The two we raised from our own mares are pretty similar, except the filly out of my Reckless Dash mare hated water (so hosing her off was FUN for a while, but now shes good). Under saddle, they have both been very impressive. The filly also took after her sire's personality more than her dam's. The third FDF was not out of any of our mares. She's just as friendly toward people but doesn't like being stalled next to other horses and can be witchy to other horses. But shes SUPER TALENTED. She's the kind where, if she needs her own stall away from everyone, I think she'll be good enough to be worth making her her own little barn. lol.
And Firewater Ta Fame- we have two colts. They are pretty much carbon copies even though they have different dams. The youngest is a weanling, so hard to say if he will ride like our 2YO. But they definitely have the same exact personalities.
Long story short... I can see similarities and differences between all of them. Some stallions really stamp their foals as do some mares. Despite the differences each of them have, I don't have doubts they will make nice horses. | |
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