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| Keep us posted!! She really does look nice!!! I bet it is not anything major, likely just a maintenance thing! |
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Location: Florida.. | pretty mare.. ask for a full lameness exam by a knowledgable horse vet.. hocks would be my guess.. good luck |
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Location: Arkansas | Griz - 2016-11-04 5:27 AM
Let us know what the vet says!
Do we know anything yet? Or was it for next Tuesday? |
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Location: Jersey Girl | I like your mare!
I see tail wringing to mean they are uncomfortable with something or sore. Def take her to a good vet and have her checked out. Also make sure your saddle is fitting her too. |
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| Have her ovaries checked some times when they hump up like that and flip the tail that is an indication the ovaries are giving them some problems. |
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Location: Kansas | It is this coming Tuesday, the 8th. My vet is very knowledgeable, she also does acupuncture so if Star is just sore and needs chiro/acupuncture, she could do it. :) |
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Location: Arkansas | Make sure and let us know what you find out. . . . |
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Location: in the ozone | Just another thing to throw out there - the "bunny hopping" and very sensitive to saddle and/or pad COULD be PSSM symptoms. Many people think PSSM is only "tying up" - it is so much more. Are you on Facebook too? If so, go to the FB page "PSSM Forum" and ask to join. If your mare is registered, some on there can also help you by seeing her breeding if she has bloodlines that have a lot of problems w/the PSSM. |
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Location: Kansas | The vet visit went great! Started out by examining Star, feeling her legs and her back. One thing the vet noticed is she was more tense on her right side when the vet pressed down on her back. Then one of the techs lunged Star at a trot and canter both directions, and then they did a series of flexion tests and trotted her down a concrete pad. After she did one test, flexing the hock area, it was noticeable Star was off when she trotted off - you could hear it too! So, the verdict is, Star is sore in her hocks. More sore on her right hind than the left hind. The back soreness is due to her hocks being sore and she had to do something to carry herself better, which resulted in her back getting sore. Which is more than likely the reason why she'd get worried and everything about the saddle being put on.
So the vet suggested we put her on a joint supplement to help. She mentioned hock injections but she doesn't think Star needs them and that it would be pointless to give her some now with winter coming, and Star won't be ridden as much. Other alternatives include chiropractic work, acupuncture, or massage. She also suggested I do stretches before/after rides and showed me how to massage her back. I'm willing to do the joint supplements now and see how they work for her. The vet recommended a few brands like Cosequin, Platinum Performance CJ, Prime Performance HA, Cortiflex, and even feed store brand as long as it had certain ingredients. Those brands are so expensive though! I'm looking at SmartPak's supplements and found these two. Star is ridden 2-3 times a week and I wouldn't say she does intense work. Typically we go on trail rides and do a bit of trotting and cantering, or if we do arena work it's not too strenuous unless we're doing barrels or drills. Right now, I think we'll stay off barrels for a while, focus on getting her feeling better and work on drills, exercises, etc.
Two supplements I'm looking at..
https://www.smartpakequine.com/ps/b/7183
https://www.smartpakequine.com/ps/b/7184 |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Just remember, there is only one way to get the inflammation out of the joint. Injections. If they are sore at all, they need them, seems odd to me a vet would say they didn't need them when they flexed lame on exam. Time off won't really help, as soon as you start running her again, within a run or two she will be sore again. If you plan to run her at all this winter, you should have had the injections. Most oral joint supplements don't get past the gut to even get to the joint, so most are wasted money. If it were my horse, I would have had the injections, then put her on an injectable joint supplemnt to help the injections last longer.
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| Look into doing injectable joint supps. It costs about $40 a month, IM, and you don't have to worry about if she eats it all. I also think they work a little better.
In the long run, it would probably be cheaper to inject the joint than use supplements, you probably could get by with every 6 months or even once a year.
Do the math on monthly expense for supplements compared to the injection. |
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Location: Kansas | I will not be running her again for the rest of the year. Possibly every now and then, take her through the pattern but nothing too serious and no competitions. The vet suggested we not do injections now because I won't be racing or doing hard work with winter coming, and Star may sit for a week or two and not be ridden depending on how cold it is. So doing the injections now is pointless. As for injectable joint supplements, those are SO expensive. $300, for Adequan, just for SEVEN shots. And I'm sure other brands aren't much less cheaper. I really can't afford to pay $300 for a month's worth of joint supplements. And there's mixed opinions on oral and injectable, good and bad for both. My vet uses oral supplements, and injectable ones too, so if it didn't work, I doubt she'd suggest it. |
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| So happy to hear you got some answers. My vet has also advised to use oral supplements first as there is controversy in the vet world in once you inject how it affects the horse long term. He tends to go along the lines of start with the most conservative then work your way up if you have to. The high quality joint supplements do cost money, but it is because they are worth it. I strongly recommend Equithrive Joint. You may get sticker shock, but has the best reviews. People claim they could even stop injecting after using this supplement. We used it with great success. It uses a newer technology called resveratrol that shows a lot of success.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | kansasbarrelracer - 2016-11-08 3:09 PM I will not be running her again for the rest of the year. Possibly every now and then, take her through the pattern but nothing too serious and no competitions. The vet suggested we not do injections now because I won't be racing or doing hard work with winter coming, and Star may sit for a week or two and not be ridden depending on how cold it is. So doing the injections now is pointless. As for injectable joint supplements, those are SO expensive. $300, for Adequan, just for SEVEN shots. And I'm sure other brands aren't much less cheaper. I really can't afford to pay $300 for a month's worth of joint supplements. And there's mixed opinions on oral and injectable, good and bad for both. My vet uses oral supplements, and injectable ones too, so if it didn't work, I doubt she'd suggest it.
no difference of opinions.
Oral supplements do not work.
Save your money buy a round of adequan or pentosan
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Location: Way up North | 1DSoon - 2016-11-08 2:48 PM kansasbarrelracer - 2016-11-08 3:09 PM I will not be running her again for the rest of the year. Possibly every now and then, take her through the pattern but nothing too serious and no competitions. The vet suggested we not do injections now because I won't be racing or doing hard work with winter coming, and Star may sit for a week or two and not be ridden depending on how cold it is. So doing the injections now is pointless. As for injectable joint supplements, those are SO expensive. $300, for Adequan, just for SEVEN shots. And I'm sure other brands aren't much less cheaper. I really can't afford to pay $300 for a month's worth of joint supplements. And there's mixed opinions on oral and injectable, good and bad for both. My vet uses oral supplements, and injectable ones too, so if it didn't work, I doubt she'd suggest it. no difference of opinions.
Oral supplements do not work.
Save your money buy a round of adequan or pentosan
What 1D said.
And to expand on that, Adequan isn't really $300 for one month. Yes, it is $300 for the series but you do not do it every month. Most that I talk to do it 2x a year or do the loading dose and then 1 shot every other week after that. So say $50 per month cost to do something that really makes a difference, you will spend more than that on a feed through so if you are going to pick one or the other go with the proven choice. |
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Location: North Dakota | kansasbarrelracer - 2016-11-08 2:09 PM I will not be running her again for the rest of the year. Possibly every now and then, take her through the pattern but nothing too serious and no competitions. The vet suggested we not do injections now because I won't be racing or doing hard work with winter coming, and Star may sit for a week or two and not be ridden depending on how cold it is. So doing the injections now is pointless. As for injectable joint supplements, those are SO expensive. $300, for Adequan, just for SEVEN shots. And I'm sure other brands aren't much less cheaper. I really can't afford to pay $300 for a month's worth of joint supplements. And there's mixed opinions on oral and injectable, good and bad for both. My vet uses oral supplements, and injectable ones too, so if it didn't work, I doubt she'd suggest it.
Keep in mind that those 7 shots are for a loading dose.
There is some controvery right now on what is the "right" way to do Adequan. Some vets (and some research) indicates you should do two loading doses per year, one in the spring and one in the fall (for example). Other vets say that research is not concrete and continue to recommend the "old" way of dosing Adequan where you start with the 7-shot loading dose, and then give one shot per month after that.
For my horse, that is what both of my lameness vets have suggested so that is what we do. He's already had the loading dose, so I just keep giving one shot a month to maintain.
Understandable if you cannot afford both feed-through supplements and injectable supplements. If I had to choose one of them, I would absolutely choose the injectable. Hands down!
Pentosan is a cheaper off-label alternative to try besides Adequan. Some horses respond better to pentosan; some are better on adequan. Like anything, it's trial and error.
I agree to wait to do injections until the spring (you'll want to take x-rays of her hocks too, if that was not done today), but then make sure to only do straight lines and very large circles until then, when you do ride her. No small circles; meaning no pattern work unless you are only walking.
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Location: Kansas | I decided to try an oral joint supplement. I'm going with SmartFlex III Resilience by SmartPak. Excited to try this and see how well it works for her. I'll also be doing stretches and stuff with her as well. Hoping to go for a nice little ride Thursday :) |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Good call |
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Location: MD | kansasbarrelracer - 2016-11-08 10:50 PM I decided to try an oral joint supplement. I'm going with SmartFlex III Resilience by SmartPak. Excited to try this and see how well it works for her. I'll also be doing stretches and stuff with her as well. Hoping to go for a nice little ride Thursday :)
This isn't going to help your horse at all. Sorry to burst your bubble. |
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