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| All horses are exposed. It's when their immunity is compromised when the Protozoa break the blood membrane barrier. I would put her a good immunity builder. Animal element has one of the best. |
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| So if she is legged up to begin competition again, the stress could lead to her actually contracting the disease? |
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| Ropeing4life - 2016-11-29 12:46 PM Have you tried Re Balance?
The vet gave me a 30 day supply. |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | If you can afford to treat her, DO IT!! It will give you a peace of mind and will not hurt her one bit. I learned from a very reputable trainer that Dash Ta Fame geldings are very succeptable to EPM, he treated all of his in training. I have seen horses do a complete turn around. Ones just like yours that didn't show many physical signs but just had crappy attitudes. I treated my futurity colt twice this year. The first time we didn't give him any time off due to spring futurities, the second time I brought him home and turned him out. He is a different horse. He's kinder, quieter and has BLOOMED! I also fed him Immune boost, Detox and Alcar from Animal Element. |
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Location: Central Texas | Good article by Dr. Ward;
http://blog.horseharmony.com/horse-symptoms-early-warning-signs-of-... |
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| scwebster - 2016-12-05 1:49 PM
So if she is legged up to begin competition again, the stress could lead to her actually contracting the disease?
Stress can. Cutters treat their new horses when they are brought into training. I treat any new horse. I would treat her for 90 days. 30 days is not long enough. There is a natural way to treat with herbs. If you want to PM me I can give you the names. Cheaper but you will still need to treat for 90 days. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Ropeing4life - 2016-12-06 7:51 AM scwebster - 2016-12-05 1:49 PM So if she is legged up to begin competition again, the stress could lead to her actually contracting the disease? There is a natural way to treat with herbs. If you want to PM me I can give you the names.
No there is not.
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| So because she has been exposed will she eventually get EMP? Or will treatment kill off the protazoa? |
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| GoMistyGo - 2016-11-29 9:58 AM I’m sorry to hear you are dealing with it. My mare had it first in the spring of 2014. No neurological issues, but bucking and loosing weight. Three vets told me that she does not have EPM. I insisted on the test and her levels were extremely high on the Pathogenes test. We treated with Oroquin. My mare also had a suspensory injury and she was off for over one year. It took a while to get the EPM titers down to a somewhat normal level.
We started running barrels again a year ago, all was well, but she started falling apart on me again about three weeks ago. EPM titer high again. Treating her now with Protazil.
All EPM is different and it seems all horses react differently to the various types of treatment. I hope yours gets better soon.
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Location: NE Texas | ALL horses have been exposed to EPM....every single one. If you tested 10 horses, all will show exposure. The question is why do some become symptomatic and some do not, even in the same pasture, on the same diet, etc. It is due to their immune system. Read the article I posted earlier; it's very insightful regarding the answers to these questions. |
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Location: NE Texas | Another good read! https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/400-lyme-anaplasmosis-epm-in-the-horse-relapses-thoughts-and-theories |
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| Herbie - 2016-12-06 9:27 AM ALL horses have been exposed to EPM....every single one. If you tested 10 horses, all will show exposure. The question is why do some become symptomatic and some do not, even in the same pasture, on the same diet, etc. It is due to their immune system. Read the article I posted earlier; it's very insightful regarding the answers to these questions.
Thanks for the article! :) I did read it and it was helpful. There is just a ton of contradicting information/difference of opinions out there on this particular condition. Thats why I love this forum. I can come here and talk directly with other owners and people who have delt with it. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | I always put my horses on THE EPM Formula after treatment. I leave them on it as a daily supplement and **knock on wood** no relapse. |
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| High doses of Vitamin E has been my go to for my mare that maxed out the titers sent to pathogenes AND helped another that I had *suspicions * of EPM. I buy the 10000 IU per oz from MVP, all mine have eaten it well. I haven't found another supplement out there with doses as high. I had read somewhere that people have had good luck treating with high doses of Vit E, and that seems to be the result I have seen also. I treated my bad epm case with Orogin first but it was not strong enough to knock it out so I had to then spend more for dmso/toltrazuril mix in addition to protazil. Cost me an arm and leg by the time all was said and done. I would advise while treating to let her have time off to not stress the immune system and stock up on Vit E out the wahoo lol |
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| 1DSoon - 2016-12-06 8:15 AM
Ropeing4life - 2016-12-06 7:51 AM scwebster - 2016-12-05 1:49 PM So if she is legged up to begin competition again, the stress could lead to her actually contracting the disease?  There is a natural way to treat with herbs. If you want to PM me I can give you the names. Â
Once again 1D soon you are giving a opinion on something you know nothing about. |
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| I noticed my gelding off in his stifle. He never kept weight well, but we had assumed it was from him being high strung and race bred/ off the track. We discovered he was very weak in his back end when I took him for a lameness. We never tested for EPM (poor college student here), we just treated with a drug called Rebalance. He looked, rode and felt 100% better. I've kept him on Vitamin E and Selenium and it's been a year since he was treated and I'm beginning to see that he needs to be retreated. He's keeping weight fine, but I can tell he's getting weak on his back end again just from the way he feels when I ride him. I'll retreat with Rebalance here in the next week or so, mostly because it's what I can afford. If the Rebalance doesn't work, I'll obviously have to go with something stronger. |
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| Ropeing4life - 2016-12-06 1:16 PM
1DSoon - 2016-12-06 8:15 AM
Ropeing4life - 2016-12-06 7:51 AM scwebster - 2016-12-05 1:49 PM So if she is legged up to begin competition again, the stress could lead to her actually contracting the disease?  There is a natural way to treat with herbs. If you want to PM me I can give you the names. Â
Once again 1D soon you are giving a opinion on something you know nothing about.
There is NO natural way to treat EPM. |
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Location: Oklahoma | scwebster - 2016-12-04 9:41 PM
 Just an update. I took this horse to the vet I regularly use for treatment. After his evaluation he did NOT diagnose her with EPM, and says the test only confirms she has been exposed. As noted before she has not shown any signs of EPM either physically or in her performance. (Apparently a high percentage of horses are exposed but do not nessesarily have/get the disease. The test was a serum test with her titer results being 1:1000. He gave me a 30 day treatment because it made me feel better and that was that. He did a full physical exam and says she shows no signs of active EPM..  so that's great news. This is becoming quite the educational experience. The vet told me if she were his, he would go on about his business and that he does not think it will ever effect her.
Beware of vets that say it will never effect her. It is an epidemic right now, especially if you live in the southern half of the US.....the vets, as a rule, are woefully behind on EPM. It can and WILL affect her and if she's not showing any symptoms, other than a positive test, that means the protozoa hasn't done much damage yet. It is beyond me why vets want to see symptoms before they will treat....by then they've already got damage! If they've been exposed and you stress them (change environment, haul, compete, etc), the infection WILL become active. Injections will make a dormant case of EPM become full blown. I'm now finding if I treat for EPM when my horse has a problem, they end up not needing injections 99% of the time...I have done a LOT of research on this subject, and have had a ton of experience with it through my own horses and my friend's horses....and I have an equine specialist vet who is very into what's "cutting edge" out there for this disease. I believe in the next decade, we, as horse owners that compete with our horses, will have to maintain EPM just like we do worms, and the funny thing is, my vet actually said the same thing the last time I talked to him. Even if you DO get it cured, they just pick it up again, and the first time they're stressed, out it comes. JMO |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Ropeing4life - 2016-12-06 2:16 PM 1DSoon - 2016-12-06 8:15 AM Ropeing4life - 2016-12-06 7:51 AM scwebster - 2016-12-05 1:49 PM So if she is legged up to begin competition again, the stress could lead to her actually contracting the disease? There is a natural way to treat with herbs. If you want to PM me I can give you the names. Once again 1D soon you are giving a opinion on something you know nothing about.
you better watch it or I will sue you.
I used to have a room mate that was a legal secretary and I know abou these things.
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Location: Oklahoma | scwebster - 2016-12-05 1:49 PM
So if she is legged up to begin competition again, the stress could lead to her actually contracting the disease?
Yes. She HAS the disease if her numbers are that high. She's just not showing symptoms yet. A prime time to treat IMO....before there's damage.
Edited by dianeguinn 2016-12-06 2:28 PM
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