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Location: Broxton, Ga | SKM - 2016-12-14 7:56 AM
rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 5:49 AM
They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship.
They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker.
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| CJE - 2016-12-15 9:08 AM SKM - 2016-12-14 7:56 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 5:49 AM They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship. They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker. No very disappointing........
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Is there no exemption for the previous years' winner? I thought there was originally? |
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| rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 9:21 AM
CJE - 2016-12-15 9:08 AM SKM - 2016-12-14 7:56 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 5:49 AM They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship. They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker. No very disappointing........
From what I can tell the top 6 in WPRA match-up but how did Kassie M get excluded? She is #3 in ERA... next is Fallon so if FT made it, Kassie should have. Unless like someone else suggested, she chose to go for the million. |
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| stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:34 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 9:21 AM CJE - 2016-12-15 9:08 AM SKM - 2016-12-14 7:56 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 5:49 AM They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship. They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker. No very disappointing........ From what I can tell the top 6 in WPRA match-up but how did Kassie M get excluded? She is #3 in ERA... next is Fallon so if FT made it, Kassie should have. Unless like someone else suggested, she chose to go for the million.
Kassie is going through the qualifiers, she has to make it through the semi's. I assume she opted out to get a chance to run for the bigger purse. |
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| IDK-here are the rules. I still can't figure it out, said exemptions will have a match race. I guess Mary and Chani are not the exemptions.
Exemptions
Every event has the right up to 2 exemptions that can be made by THE AMERICAN committee.
If two contestants are selected there will be an exemption match between the two at the Semi-Finals in Mesquite. The winner of this match wins an automatic bid into THE AMERICAN, making the field 16 teams.
If one contestant is selected they have the opportunity to compete at Mesquite and THE AMERICAN.
The BBR 2013 World Champion will receive an invitation directly to the Semi-Finals, but if he or she competes in the qualifiers, their invitation is revoked. This contestant must finish in the top 5 at the Semi-Finals to move on to THE AMERICAN.
Exemption contestants must pay the $500 entry fee.
THE AMERICAN
THE AMERICAN will consist of the top 10 barrel racers in the world free of entry fees, as well as, the 10 contestants that qualified through the Qualifiers and Semi-Finals, and the Exemption Match winner (making a field of 21). THE AMERICAN will be two runs. All 21 competitors will have one run, with the top 4, after that run, moving on to a shootout round that will determine the champion and reserve champion (one run determination, not average on 2).
The champion will win $100,000 and the reserve champion will win $25,000. In the case that the champion came from the "not" top-10, they will place themselves in a pot for the chance to win $1,000,000. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 9:52 AM
IDK-here are the rules. I still can't figure it out, said exemptions will have a match race. I guess Mary and Chani are not the exemptions.
Exemptions
Every event has the right up to 2 exemptions that can be made by THE AMERICAN committee.
If two contestants are selected there will be an exemption match between the two at the Semi-Finals in Mesquite. The winner of this match wins an automatic bid into THE AMERICAN, making the field 16 teams.
If one contestant is selected they have the opportunity to compete at Mesquite and THE AMERICAN.
The BBR 2013 World Champion will receive an invitation directly to the Semi-Finals, but if he or she competes in the qualifiers, their invitation is revoked. This contestant must finish in the top 5 at the Semi-Finals to move on to THE AMERICAN.
Exemption contestants must pay the $500 entry fee.
THE AMERICAN
THE AMERICAN will consist of the top 10 barrel racers in the world free of entry fees, as well as, the 10 contestants that qualified through the Qualifiers and Semi-Finals, and the Exemption Match winner (making a field of 21). THE AMERICAN will be two runs. All 21 competitors will have one run, with the top 4, after that run, moving on to a shootout round that will determine the champion and reserve champion (one run determination, not average on 2).
The champion will win $100,000 and the reserve champion will win $25,000. In the case that the champion came from the "not" top-10, they will place themselves in a pot for the chance to win $1,000,000.
You're right, I remember they did that last year. Lindsay Sears and Kelly Kaminski I believe were the two and did a match race style. hmmmmm....
Based on the video I saw, they picked Chayni because "between Mary Burger and Chayni, everyone woman will want to tune in." or something to that effect. |
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| I would assume Kassie is going to Lance Graves Futurity that same week, probably has commitment to owners that have horses in training with her all year? |
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| rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 9:36 AM
stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:34 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 9:21 AM CJE - 2016-12-15 9:08 AM SKM - 2016-12-14 7:56 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 5:49 AM They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship. They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker. No very disappointing........ From what I can tell the top 6 in WPRA match-up but how did Kassie M get excluded? She is #3 in ERA... next is Fallon so if FT made it, Kassie should have. Unless like someone else suggested, she chose to go for the million.
And if that is the case, you would think Brittney Diaz would be the next on the list of Kassie opted out. |
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Location: SW MO | Calangelo - 2016-12-15 8:35 AM
firewaterfuelsme - 2016-12-15 8:18 AM
I just can't get past Tuff Cooper being invited. Makes me question the integrity of The American....Randy you are missed by the fans!
I think all professional rodeo associations should ban him, and the other two that colluded with him, for life. I don't think there's anything worse a competitor can do than what they did. JMO.
Bottom line is it's all about money. Integrity is thrown out the window for greed |
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Location: Where I am happiest | You should all go to their FB page and post your comments so they see them. https://www.facebook.com/RFDTVTheAMERICAN/ |
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Location: South Dakota | I emailed Patrick Gottsch this morning, asking why Tuf was invited back, and to summarize his reply: he stated that everyone makes a mistake, that they hold no grudge and are moving forward.
He also stated that they are trying to put on the best rodeo possible, and appreciated my feedback.
I love it that we have The American to look forward to in the middle of a long winter of limited riding, bad roads, cold temps.
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Location: west of East Texas | I posted this in a response this morning on fb..... This is looking at it from the inside looking out. Those of us that actually own horses and pay fees to run them aren't the people filling up the majority of that stadium or buying those souvenirs. We don't have any money left after paying our vet bills.  : ) There is a lot of talent in the invitee-rodeo. Some of it gets there through the current qualifiers, some talents get there by way of cummulative performance history. Either way, there IS talent. One thing I like about the cummulative performance types... they are more than just 'the next big thing' and had a whole lot more than 15 minutes of fame. Now, if I can just win some free tickets we'll be going to see it!
To me the basic line is that the money to put this on isn't coming out of a bunch of contestant's pockets or the local feed stores and truck dealerships. A bunch of it is coming from spectators and sponsors on a national level. It has to be rewarding on a national level. It has to have star power. It is entertainment for the masses, not dirt road rodeo that we all love, understand, know the players, etc. Please remember that the qualifiers were open to any and all who wished to be there. |
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Location: Sweet Home Alabama | I saw Amber Leigh Moore posted the 10 invitees on Facebook last night... So are they not inviting the top 10 in the world like years past? They just hand pick the top 10 now? When did that change? I don't like it and it doesn't seem right or fair. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Right out of the box the American weren't following their own rules so I said it was nothing but a Dog and Pony Show.
IMHO The only reason they have qualifiers is to fill their own pockets.
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | I have not liked the whole thing from day one. |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | GLP - 2016-12-15 7:03 AM
SKM - 2016-12-15 7:19 AM
rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 6:11 AM
SKM - 2016-12-15 6:56 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 5:49 AM They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship. They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker.
Yes, why I said I can't figure out why the rest were invited-maybe they were voted in, clever move since no one can prove anything.
According to their own rules, they were taking the top from the NFR and ERA. So if they had followed their own rules, Chayni and Mary Walker wouldn't have been invited and Kassie Mowry would have. I know on the one FB page it was said that Gottsch hand picked the contestants.
Guess that explains why Tuf is there... No one cares about the rules they have so who cares if they get broken?
Yeah, for these reasons I am not going to insist to my family we watch it. If I'm not busy and the Spurs aren't playing maybe I'll watch. I am tired of professional athletics and now rodeo is becoming no different. Back in the day our coaches told us they were holding us to a higher standard because it was a privilege to be on the team, and the other kids looked to us for leadership. We had to set the example. My mom always told me this, too, as I was the eldest. How can we expect our kids to become honest, hardworking, ethical people if we encourage them to admire people who aren't? How can we as parents look our kids in the eye and demand they hold to a higher standard than the people we let them look up to?
I guess we can look at it as teaching tool for our kids that no one is perfect and we all have our troubles and vices and just because you are really good at something, it doesn't make you a good person.
I'm hoping I don't have to watch. NASCAR has been on at the same time. |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | Nevertooold - 2016-12-15 12:27 PM
Right out of the box the American weren't following their own rules so I said it was nothing but a Dog and Pony Show.
IMHO The only reason they have qualifiers is to fill their own pockets.
You weren't the only one who said that. |
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| The qualifiers is where the majority of the prize money comes from. When you enter one at $500, you only run at like $150 of that at that event (plus any additional fees or added money from that producer) and the rest goes on IF you make the semi-finals and IF you make the American. I don't love everything about it, but I do love that it gives those of us that don't want to sacrifice our families or have the monetary means to live on the road a chance to win big money and do something on a big scale.
Something I also hadn't thought of until now... what if Tuf worked something into the settlement about being invited back...??? |
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| SpaceCowboy - 2016-12-15 2:57 PM
The qualifiers is where the majority of the prize money comes from. When you enter one at $500, you only run at like $150 of that at that event (plus any additional fees or added money from that producer) and the rest goes on IF you make the semi-finals and IF you make the American. I don't love everything about it, but I do love that it gives those of us that don't want to sacrifice our families or have the monetary means to live on the road a chance to win big money and do something on a big scale.
Something I also hadn't thought of until now... what if Tuf worked something into the settlement about being invited back...???
I wondered that too about Tuf. But I also cant help but wonder how weak their case was since it seemed to disappear rather quickly. |
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