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| Nevertooold - 2017-01-16 11:49 AM
Most barrel racers I know use calmatives. Not something to make them run faster. Racehorses don't have to turn 3 barrels.
That's what I was thinking. . . my horse is naturally on her own kind of frog juice already!!! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2017-01-16 12:23 PM
I wonder how they can sell this stuff if its never been approved for medical use in animals and human and its 30-40 times more potent then morphine Wow.. Could this stuff cause heart attacts while in use? What a high risk to be using.. And I thought this was a illegal drug and its being sold over the internet?!!! Interesting for sure 
Actually, a person can get a lot of illegal drugs online.
Here's a quote from one article. Note the mention of INCREASED locomotor activity in horses. How many of you have felt like running fast after a Morphine or Dilaudid shot?
“Dermorphin is a substance that has been demonstrated to act as an agonist at the mu-opiate receptor,” Sams says. “Other mu-opiate agonists are morphine, fentanyl, and etorphine. We typically associate these substances with analgesic effects in people and dogs, but they produce a paradoxical effect in horses that results in increased locomotor activity at low doses and low blood concentrations.”
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here's a handy site for one stop shopping. You can get winstrol here too.
http://www.mcsteroids.am/product/dermorphin/ |
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| mreklaw - 2017-01-16 11:56 AM Nevertooold - 2017-01-16 11:49 AM Most barrel racers I know use calmatives. Not something to make them run faster. Racehorses don't have to turn 3 barrels. Go to some of the big futurities and it will make u wonder! I've heard of many different kinds of drugs including that one that has been given to horses running for a lot of money!
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | rodeomom3 - 2017-01-16 1:57 PM
mreklaw - 2017-01-16 11:56 AM Nevertooold - 2017-01-16 11:49 AM Most barrel racers I know use calmatives. Not something to make them run faster. Racehorses don't have to turn 3 barrels. Go to some of the big futurities and it will make u wonder! I've heard of many different kinds of drugs including that one that has been given to horses running for a lot of money!
what does it make you wonder about?
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Why post this and give idiots ideas? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | mreklaw - 2017-01-16 1:24 PM
Why post this and give idiots ideas?
I'm not sure "idiots" is the descriptor I'd use.
It took me a couple minutes to find sites that sell this stuff. I wouldn't recommend it, even if you want to cheat. If these drugs are illegal, or "prescription only", just because they are obtainable through the Internet doesn't protect you from prosecution. The DEA has made this fact clear. Even anabolic steroids like Winstrol are illegal. In fact, there are sites that hire licensed "doctors" to prescribe online. They are illegal in most states as well. You have to be seen in person. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | mreklaw - 2017-01-16 1:24 PM Why post this and give idiots ideas?
Idiots have ideas regardless. The people who use this already are aware of where to get it. The people, like myself, who had no idea what this stuff even was can now be on the lookout for the signs and symptoms of use and maybe report it if we see anything shady going on.
And hey, maybe the ones who do purchase will get caught and we can weed out our competition. LOL  |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 1:52 PM
mreklaw - 2017-01-16 1:24 PM Why post this and give idiots ideas?
And hey, maybe the ones who do purchase will get caught and we can weed out our competition. LOL
Ignorance is bliss.
That's why I posted in the first place....to get an idea of how many people even know what it is, and whether they think the stuff is being used in barrel racing. It's talked about. Rumors are not new. If the stuff is readily available, and it has these desirable effects, and no effort is being made to test for them or ferret the cheaters out, are we supposed to just convince ourselves that people who barrel race are all honest and good and decent?
Practically everyone knew about the Mafia by the time the FBI was forced into recognizing they actually existed, some 60 years after their inception in the U.S. Even the FBI didn't want to deal with the truth.....partly out of fear. |
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| I had never heard of it.. I am continually astounded by the lengths some people will go to to win. Sometimes it is the people many admire. I have been told that I do not have what it takes to be at the top. If THAT is what it takes, then I guess I don't. I will take being RESPECTED as a horseman and take pride tat I have not ruined any along the way.
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| There is not a doubt in my mind that there are those who would run on this, along with whatever else is out there they can put in a syringe and stick their horse with. I believe we don’t see as much in the barrel horse world (compared to the racehorse world) because obviously the payouts are generally larger in the racing industry. JMO.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Bear - 2017-01-16 2:20 PM
IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 1:52 PM
mreklaw - 2017-01-16 1:24 PM Why post this and give idiots ideas?
And hey, maybe the ones who do purchase will get caught and we can weed out our competition. LOL
Ignorance is bliss.
That's why I posted in the first place....to get an idea of how many people even know what it is, and whether they think the stuff is being used in barrel racing. It's talked about. Rumors are not new. If the stuff is readily available, and it has these desirable effects, and no effort is being made to test for them or ferret the cheaters out, are we supposed to just convince ourselves that people who barrel race are all honest and good and decent?
Practically everyone knew about the Mafia by the time the FBI was forced into recognizing they actually existed, some 60 years after their inception in the U.S. Even the FBI didn't want to deal with the truth.....partly out of fear.
My point exactly. Thank you for the knowledge of knowing it exists. Now to Google I go to read up on this stuff. Scary world we live in. It seems people will do anything to win...
What are the lasting effects on the horses that are exposed to this drug Bear? Are there any side effects when a horse is coming back down from the so called high? |
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| turnthree - 2017-01-16 2:48 PM
There is not a doubt in my mind that there are those who would run on this, along with whatever else is out there they can put in a syringe and stick their horse with. I believe we don’t see as much in the barrel horse world (compared to the racehorse world) because obviously the payouts are generally larger in the racing industry. JMO.
The racehorse world is extremely regulated, and they test the horses continually. In the barrel racing world, especially rodeo, you can shoot your horse up with just about anything and not get caught. I've never heard of drug testing at rodeos? Has anyone experienced this? |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | IowaCanChaser - 2017-01-16 3:04 PM turnthree - 2017-01-16 2:48 PM There is not a doubt in my mind that there are those who would run on this, along with whatever else is out there they can put in a syringe and stick their horse with. I believe we don’t see as much in the barrel horse world (compared to the racehorse world) because obviously the payouts are generally larger in the racing industry. JMO. The racehorse world is extremely regulated, and they test the horses continually. In the barrel racing world, especially rodeo, you can shoot your horse up with just about anything and not get caught. I've never heard of drug testing at rodeos? Has anyone experienced this?
Never been tested.... Never known anyone to be tested. But maybe if we see signs of use we can report it and they can test?  |
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Location: OH | I have heard it used in TB racing, "certain" people that had a magic concoction and would claim once classy horses that had dropped to the claiming races then MAGICALLY two weeks later they are back in allowance form but I do not think it would be a great benefit in barrel racing. The Euphoria you speak of would probably be a problem in barrel racing. IMO. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 2:51 PM
Bear - 2017-01-16 2:20 PM
IRunOnFaith - 2017-01-16 1:52 PM
mreklaw - 2017-01-16 1:24 PM Why post this and give idiots ideas?
And hey, maybe the ones who do purchase will get caught and we can weed out our competition. LOL
Ignorance is bliss.
That's why I posted in the first place....to get an idea of how many people even know what it is, and whether they think the stuff is being used in barrel racing. It's talked about. Rumors are not new. If the stuff is readily available, and it has these desirable effects, and no effort is being made to test for them or ferret the cheaters out, are we supposed to just convince ourselves that people who barrel race are all honest and good and decent?
Practically everyone knew about the Mafia by the time the FBI was forced into recognizing they actually existed, some 60 years after their inception in the U.S. Even the FBI didn't want to deal with the truth.....partly out of fear.
My point exactly. Thank you for the knowledge of knowing it exists. Now to Google I go to read up on this stuff. Scary world we live in. It seems people will do anything to win...
What are the lasting effects on the horses that are exposed to this drug Bear? Are there any side effects when a horse is coming back down from the so called high?
Well, my guess is that giving it occasionally probably wouldn't cause addiction. The lasting negative effects would be physical injuries, I would suppose. By masking the pain and creating euphoria, a horse will just run through it and compound the problem, possibly costing their lives.
If you give it often enough, I'm sure it would lead to addiction, but I'm not well versed in addiction in animals.
The more important point is that it's cheating. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:07 PM
I have heard it used in TB racing, "certain" people that had a magic concoction and would claim once classy horses that had dropped to the claiming races then MAGICALLY two weeks later they are back in allowance form but I do not think it would be a great benefit in barrel racing. The Euphoria you speak of would probably be a problem in barrel racing. IMO.
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| IowaCanChaser - 2017-01-16 3:04 PM
turnthree - 2017-01-16 2:48 PM
There is not a doubt in my mind that there are those who would run on this, along with whatever else is out there they can put in a syringe and stick their horse with. I believe we don’t see as much in the barrel horse world (compared to the racehorse world) because obviously the payouts are generally larger in the racing industry. JMO.
The racehorse world is extremely regulated, and they test the horses continually. In the barrel racing world, especially rodeo, you can shoot your horse up with just about anything and not get caught. I've never heard of drug testing at rodeos? Has anyone experienced this?
The WPRA has a drug testing program. I do know some people who have been randomly pulled. I don't believe they test at every single rodeo though. |
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Location: OH | Bear - 2017-01-16 4:12 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:07 PM I have heard it used in TB racing, "certain" people that had a magic concoction and would claim once classy horses that had dropped to the claiming races then MAGICALLY two weeks later they are back in allowance form but I do not think it would be a great benefit in barrel racing. The Euphoria you speak of would probably be a problem in barrel racing. IMO. Why?
IMO---and you know this also, barrel racing is all about a horse reacting to the rider, if it is in a state of Euphoria--I think this reaction time would suffer. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:16 PM Bear - 2017-01-16 4:12 PM Mighty Broke - 2017-01-16 3:07 PM I have heard it used in TB racing, "certain" people that had a magic concoction and would claim once classy horses that had dropped to the claiming races then MAGICALLY two weeks later they are back in allowance form but I do not think it would be a great benefit in barrel racing. The Euphoria you speak of would probably be a problem in barrel racing. IMO. Why?
I don't necessarily believe the reaction time would suffer.
Websters describes Euphoria as: an intense state of happiness or excitement. Reaction time isn't a variable. If anything it's heightened. |
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