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Elite Veteran
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Location: Northwest | TwistedK - 2017-01-17 10:59 AM
C&C, Platinum & Elite trailers are all copied from 4-Star. 4-Star has been in production since 1984. The other brands started when people left 4-Star and started their own brands. Platinum and Elites are still in production, but C&C is not.
Also, I was told C&C was bought out by Platinum but I have not researched and verified this. I've looked at C&Cs in the past, loved how good of quality they are! I have a Platinum currently and have had an Elite. I would certainly buy one of those brands if you're going to live in it. Like others have said, buying used with $50k you are going to get a very nice trailer. | |
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 Bulls Eye
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Location: Oklahoma | C&C went under. Platinum did not buy them out. | |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: south central usa | TwistedK - 2017-01-17 10:21 AM
Look at the cross members on the floor under the trailer. The closer together they are, the more structurally sound your trailer will be. I'm pretty sure the Lakotas/Bisons/etc. will be closer to 12" apart. Your better quality trailers will be closer to 9 1/2". Some people opt to put them at 8" even but that is an upgraded feature. Also the side wall posts... are they c-chanel aluminum or solid aluminum? The c-chanel isn't as stroung as a solid piece either. These are all things I take heavily into consideration if I'm looking at trailers. Also, what size axles/tires are they putting on their trailers? You don't want a trailer that has a lower GVWR so that the second it is loaded, you are over weight.
below is a screenshot off Elite's website showing crossmembers at 12". livestock trailers are usually in the 9.5 range...
last dealer I talked to said that Lakota was around 14" (both charger and big horn) the difference between the charger and big horn is that the big horn uses a stouter I beam (structural vs regular I beam). think sidewall thickness is also different between the two...
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Elite Veteran
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| Wow just love this board, always helpful. Now I inquired on a Cimarron? I've only seen a few of these near me, but seem well built. Again, knowiing I'll have to live in this trailer with dogs is the reason I was hoping to go slideout for floor space..and I only have a 3/4 ton diesel, not buying a dually. Love all the suggestions from you guys thanks | |
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Bulls Eye
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Location: Oklahoma | runnink - 2017-01-17 1:58 PM
TwistedK - 2017-01-17 10:21 AM
Look at the cross members on the floor under the trailer. The closer together they are, the more structurally sound your trailer will be. I'm pretty sure the Lakotas/Bisons/etc. will be closer to 12" apart. Your better quality trailers will be closer to 9 1/2". Some people opt to put them at 8" even but that is an upgraded feature. Also the side wall posts... are they c-chanel aluminum or solid aluminum? The c-chanel isn't as stroung as a solid piece either. These are all things I take heavily into consideration if I'm looking at trailers. Also, what size axles/tires are they putting on their trailers? You don't want a trailer that has a lower GVWR so that the second it is loaded, you are over weight.
below is a screenshot off Elite's website showing crossmembers at 12". livestock trailers are usually in the 9.5 range...
last dealer I talked to said that Lakota was around 14" (both charger and big horn ) the difference between the charger and big horn is that the big horn uses a stouter I beam (structural vs regular I beam ). think sidewall thickness is also different between the two...
I can tell you that the 4- Star deluxe model trailers are built with 4" cross members on approximate 9 1/2" centers. The runabout models are on approximate 12" centers. | |
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Expert
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Location: Bandera, TX | You need to keep your LQ pretty small if you have a 3/4 ton, remember the slide comes in around 800-1000 # extra weight. How many horses?
If you talk with a reputable trailer dealer they should help you on getting into the correct trailer for truck. The last thing you want is to max out your truck. | |
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 Just a Yankee
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | Wild1 - 2017-01-17 12:05 PM Wow just love this board, always helpful. Now I inquired on a Cimarron? I've only seen a few of these near me, but seem well built. Again, knowiing I'll have to live in this trailer with dogs is the reason I was hoping to go slideout for floor space..and I only have a 3/4 ton diesel, not buying a dually. Love all the suggestions from you guys thanks
Ok I don't usually get grouchy, so I'll ask for forgiveness first - but STOP it. "...have a 3/4 ton diesel, not buying a dually." OK, I'll bite. What is the GVW/GVWR rating on that 3/4 ton p/u? I'm asking because the trailer that you are talking about buying is too heavy for your p/u, unless you love paying your mechanic for brakes and transmission work. I'm going to guess a range of 8000 - 9600 ish lbs for a 3/4 p/u Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. That pickup is somewhere around 6K lbs already depending on the model so you've only got 3000 lbs to put on the truck with a LOADED gooseneck trailer. I get really tired of watching people overload the "p/u" that they have with some big fancy trailer and wonder why that sucker is wornout, broke down or???? in a very short time. I don't blame you for not wanting to buy a dually,(No really I don't) but a trailer with LQ and a slideout is Heavy. Per Elite's manual "For example, a trailer with a gooseneck hitch, with a loaded weight of 12,000 pounds, should have 20-25% of 12,000 pounds (2400-3000 lbs.) on the gooseneck." Please research the weight of a LQ trailer with slideout further - I think you'll find that you don't have enough truck to pull it. I've got Semi-Trucks, and I see plenty of wrecks and break downs. The P/U's that are pulling trailers that I see, constantly I might add - broke down (or wrecked) are the trailers that don't have a big enough Power Unit in front of them. | |
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Expert
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Location: Bandera, TX | Lucylouwon - 2017-01-17 2:39 PM Wild1 - 2017-01-17 12:05 PM Wow just love this board, always helpful. Now I inquired on a Cimarron? I've only seen a few of these near me, but seem well built. Again, knowiing I'll have to live in this trailer with dogs is the reason I was hoping to go slideout for floor space..and I only have a 3/4 ton diesel, not buying a dually. Love all the suggestions from you guys thanks Ok I don't usually get grouchy, so I'll ask for forgiveness first - but STOP it. "...have a 3/4 ton diesel, not buying a dually." OK, I'll bite. What is the GVW/GVWR rating on that 3/4 ton p/u? I'm asking because the trailer that you are talking about buying is too heavy for your p/u, unless you love paying your mechanic for brakes and transmission work. I'm going to guess a range of 8000 - 9600 ish lbs for a 3/4 p/u Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. That pickup is somewhere around 6K lbs already depending on the model so you've only got 3000 lbs to put on the truck with a LOADED gooseneck trailer. I get really tired of watching people overload the "p/u" that they have with some big fancy trailer and wonder why that sucker is wornout, broke down or???? in a very short time. I don't blame you for not wanting to buy a dually,(No really I don't) but a trailer with LQ and a slideout is Heavy. Per Elite's manual "For example, a trailer with a gooseneck hitch, with a loaded weight of 12,000 pounds, should have 20-25% of 12,000 pounds (2400-3000 lbs. ) on the gooseneck." Please research the weight of a LQ trailer with slideout further - I think you'll find that you don't have enough truck to pull it. I've got Semi-Trucks, and I see plenty of wrecks and break downs. The P/U's that are pulling trailers that I see, constantly I might add - broke down (or wrecked) are the trailers that don't have a big enough Power Unit in front of them.
Well said! and perhaps the PSA that many need to know and had no idea to ponder. | |
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Bulls Eye
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Location: Oklahoma | uno-dos-tres! - 2017-01-17 2:44 PM
Lucylouwon - 2017-01-17 2:39 PM Wild1 - 2017-01-17 12:05 PM Wow just love this board, always helpful. Now I inquired on a Cimarron? I've only seen a few of these near me, but seem well built. Again, knowiing I'll have to live in this trailer with dogs is the reason I was hoping to go slideout for floor space..and I only have a 3/4 ton diesel, not buying a dually. Love all the suggestions from you guys thanks Ok I don't usually get grouchy, so I'll ask for forgiveness first - but STOP it.   "...have a 3/4 ton diesel, not buying a dually." OK, I'll bite. What is the GVW/GVWR rating on that 3/4 ton p/u? I'm asking because the trailer that you are talking about buying is too heavy for your p/u, unless you love paying your mechanic for brakes and transmission work. I'm going to guess a range of 8000 - 9600 ish lbs for a 3/4 p/u Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. That pickup is somewhere around 6K lbs already depending on the model so you've only got 3000 lbs to put on the truck with a LOADED gooseneck trailer.   I get really tired of watching people overload the "p/u" that they have with some big fancy trailer and wonder why that sucker is wornout, broke down or???? in a very short time.  I don't blame you for not wanting to buy a dually,(No really I don't)  but a trailer with LQ and a slideout is Heavy. Per Elite's manual "For example, a trailer with a gooseneck hitch, with a loaded weight of 12,000 pounds, should have 20-25% of 12,000 pounds (2400-3000 lbs. ) on the gooseneck."  Please research the weight of a LQ trailer with slideout further - I think you'll find that you don't have enough truck to pull it. I've got Semi-Trucks, and I see plenty of wrecks and break downs. The P/U's that are pulling trailers that I see, constantly I might add - broke down (or wrecked) are the trailers that don't have a big enough Power Unit in front of them.Â
absolutely agree with this 1000%. You will also notice that if you were to call any trailer manufacturer, they will never recommend what your vehicle can handle pulling wise or stopping wise. | |
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 A Barrel Of Monkeys
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Location: Texas | uno-dos-tres! - 2017-01-17 2:30 PM You need to keep your LQ pretty small if you have a 3/4 ton, remember the slide comes in around 800-1000 # extra weight. How many horses?
If you talk with a reputable trailer dealer they should help you on getting into the correct trailer for truck. The last thing you want is to max out your truck.
^^ This, and IMO, Lakota trailers are HEAVY. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | What happens if your trailer brakes go out? Your truck won't be able to stop that trailer... Didn't know you only had a 3/4 ton... I've seen 1 ton duallys wreck because they couldn't stop the trailer.... | |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: Weatherford, TX | TwistedK - 2017-01-17 2:46 PM uno-dos-tres! - 2017-01-17 2:44 PM Lucylouwon - 2017-01-17 2:39 PM Wild1 - 2017-01-17 12:05 PM Wow just love this board, always helpful. Now I inquired on a Cimarron? I've only seen a few of these near me, but seem well built. Again, knowiing I'll have to live in this trailer with dogs is the reason I was hoping to go slideout for floor space..and I only have a 3/4 ton diesel, not buying a dually. Love all the suggestions from you guys thanks Ok I don't usually get grouchy, so I'll ask for forgiveness first - but STOP it. "...have a 3/4 ton diesel, not buying a dually." OK, I'll bite. What is the GVW/GVWR rating on that 3/4 ton p/u? I'm asking because the trailer that you are talking about buying is too heavy for your p/u, unless you love paying your mechanic for brakes and transmission work. I'm going to guess a range of 8000 - 9600 ish lbs for a 3/4 p/u Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. That pickup is somewhere around 6K lbs already depending on the model so you've only got 3000 lbs to put on the truck with a LOADED gooseneck trailer. I get really tired of watching people overload the "p/u" that they have with some big fancy trailer and wonder why that sucker is wornout, broke down or???? in a very short time. I don't blame you for not wanting to buy a dually,(No really I don't) but a trailer with LQ and a slideout is Heavy. Per Elite's manual "For example, a trailer with a gooseneck hitch, with a loaded weight of 12,000 pounds, should have 20-25% of 12,000 pounds ( 2400-3000 lbs. ) on the gooseneck." Please research the weight of a LQ trailer with slideout further - I think you'll find that you don't have enough truck to pull it. I've got Semi-Trucks, and I see plenty of wrecks and break downs. The P/U's that are pulling trailers that I see, constantly I might add - broke down (or wrecked) are the trailers that don't have a big enough Power Unit in front of them. absolutely agree with this 1000%. You will also notice that if you were to call any trailer manufacturer, they will never recommend what your vehicle can handle pulling wise or stopping wise.
I have to 'ditto' this post and all who agree. I didn't realize either that you had a 3/4 ton. | |
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 Elite Veteran
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | I had a 3h C&C with a 20' LQ that I lived in full time in college and went to rodeos in every weekend and literally you COULD NOT kill that trailer!! I also have a friend that I have traveled with that has a top of the line Lakota that I have gone with some- something breaks everywhere we go. You get what you pay for. Look into the used Diamond trailers. They are built EXACTLY like the C&C. They were built in Texas briefly when C&C went under by the guys who owned Southwestern Conversions. Personally, I would rather have a better quality trailer that was a few years older than a brand new tin can. My C&C was 10 years old when I traded it and had been drug a million miles and still looked and pulled like a brand new one. I traded for a 4h Bloomer and regretted it every single day! | |
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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| Gator Bug - 2017-01-17 3:28 PM
TwistedK - 2017-01-17 2:46 PM uno-dos-tres! - 2017-01-17 2:44 PM Lucylouwon - 2017-01-17 2:39 PM Wild1 - 2017-01-17 12:05 PM Wow just love this board, always helpful. Now I inquired on a Cimarron? I've only seen a few of these near me, but seem well built. Again, knowiing I'll have to live in this trailer with dogs is the reason I was hoping to go slideout for floor space..and I only have a 3/4 ton diesel, not buying a dually. Love all the suggestions from you guys thanks Ok I don't usually get grouchy, so I'll ask for forgiveness first - but STOP it.   "...have a 3/4 ton diesel, not buying a dually." OK, I'll bite. What is the GVW/GVWR rating on that 3/4 ton p/u? I'm asking because the trailer that you are talking about buying is too heavy for your p/u, unless you love paying your mechanic for brakes and transmission work. I'm going to guess a range of 8000 - 9600 ish lbs for a 3/4 p/u Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. That pickup is somewhere around 6K lbs already depending on the model so you've only got 3000 lbs to put on the truck with a LOADED gooseneck trailer.   I get really tired of watching people overload the "p/u" that they have with some big fancy trailer and wonder why that sucker is wornout, broke down or???? in a very short time.  I don't blame you for not wanting to buy a dually,(No really I don't)  but a trailer with LQ and a slideout is Heavy. Per Elite's manual "For example, a trailer with a gooseneck hitch, with a loaded weight of 12,000 pounds, should have 20-25% of 12,000 pounds ( 2400-3000 lbs. ) on the gooseneck."  Please research the weight of a LQ trailer with slideout further - I think you'll find that you don't have enough truck to pull it. I've got Semi-Trucks, and I see plenty of wrecks and break downs. The P/U's that are pulling trailers that I see, constantly I might add - broke down (or wrecked) are the trailers that don't have a big enough Power Unit in front of them. absolutely agree with this 1000%. You will also notice that if you were to call any trailer manufacturer, they will never recommend what your vehicle can handle pulling wise or stopping wise.
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Location: Cold Tundra | Dealer will tell you anything to sell a trailers. Look at those bumper pull LQ trailers, they are too heavy on the tonged for any truck. They keep selling them. The 3/4 will pull and stop the LQ trailer as long as nothing goes wrong. Having a 8 ft wide LQ on a single wheel truck, will cause instability in the rear of the truck. The trailer will rock back and forth on the truck, and this is not a good feeling. The first time something goes wrong, it will be a bad thing. | |
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Veteran
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| I feel like you can get a great deal on a used Cimarron too, and they are much better quality that a Lakota. Plus think of re-sale, on those lower end trailers, they seem to fall apart quickly and then you can barely give them away. The last couple good quality used trailers we have bought, we have hauled for 3-5 years and sold them for almost the same price we paid. | |
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