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| M&M3114 - 2017-01-20 8:09 PM
gunner07 - 2017-01-20 12:09 AM
I personally prefer cow bred mares, but both ways have been successful. I am pickier about which lines cross vs if it is coming from the dam or sire.
Which lines do you like best?
Playgun, Dual Rey, Docs Hickory, line bred Doc O'lena are my favorites. I have a Docs Prescription mare I am loving too but she is playgun & smart little lena so I'm already partial to her. |
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Location: In a happy place | My stud horse was by Streakin Six out of an own daughter of Genuine Doc. He was the best horse I ever rode. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | I used mares that won in the cutting pen and crossed them with stallions that I enjoyed while I was riding at the track. Was able to sell many of those crosses to HS and College girls. They were easy to get along with and wanted to work.
I only used mares that had significant quickness in their moves. The stallions had to an inverted V so that I didn't slow the shoulders down in my breeding. |
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Location: Texas | uno-dos-tres! - 2017-01-21 9:20 AM
I used mares that won in the cutting pen and crossed them with stallions that I enjoyed while I was riding at the track. Was able to sell many of those crosses to HS and College girls. They were easy to get along with and wanted to work.
I only used mares that had significant quickness in their moves. The stallions had to an inverted V so that I didn't slow the shoulders down in my breeding.
My mare is cutting bred and I've been contemplating breeding her to a nice race stallion some time in the distant future to add some size and speed to her intelligence and willingness for, hopefully, a perfect offspring. Your comment gives me hope that it would work out! |
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| We have crossed a few cow bred mares on our Special Leader/Streaking Six stud and I like them. I had a granddaughter of Doc O Lena and I have a granddaughter of Reminic that we are still using. The colts are fast,quick and smart no complaints yet. This picture is a 3yr old out of the Doc O Lena bred mare.
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Location: Texas | cutnrunqhmt - 2017-01-21 11:35 AM We have crossed a few cow bred mares on our Special Leader/Streaking Six stud and I like them. I had a granddaughter of Doc O Lena and I have a granddaughter of Reminic that we are still using. The colts are fast,quick and smart no complaints yet. This picture is a 3yr old out of the Doc O Lena bred mare.
(insert wolf whistle) What a looker! |
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| cutnrunqhmt - 2017-01-21 11:35 AM
We have crossed a few cow bred mares on our Special Leader/Streaking Six stud and I like them. I had a granddaughter of Doc O Lena and I have a granddaughter of Reminic that we are still using. The colts are fast,quick and smart no complaints yet. This picture is a 3yr old out of the Doc O Lena bred mare.
Very nice. Goes back to Three Bars if I am correct. |
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| sorrel horse ranch - 2017-01-20 9:39 PM
My stud horse was by Streakin Six out of an own daughter of Genuine Doc. He was the best horse I ever rode.
Very nice breeding. Goes back to Three Bars. I love me some three bars.
I think most of you think Three bars was a cutting horse. If he was, I am not aware of that. |
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| 1DSoon - 2017-01-20 9:46 AM
streakysox - 2017-01-20 10:30 AM Just for the record, Doc Bar was a grandson of Three Bars through Lightning Bars. (If you will google Doc Bar, he was bred to be a race horse) Back in the 1950's and 60's Quarter horses did it all. Smooth Herman who was world champion cutting horse was by Jet Smooth. Just another example of how Quarter horses were used for everything. Three Bars, who was a thoroughbred, was probably the thoroughbred who had the most influence on the Quarter horse industry. So, no the DOC BAR line is not really cowhorse. Mary Burgers horse goes back to Doc Bar and Lightning Bar (through Laughing Boy). You have a big dose of Three Bars on his top side also. Driftwood IS a cowhorse but with so much running horse, it is kind of overridden. In the 1960's some neighbors owned Sugar Bar Leo, a son of Sugar Bars. Their main interest was interest was racing so the daughters barrel raced. So if you do not want to read all that, the DOC BAR line is not cowhorse breeding.
you sure go out of your way to defend the dumb things he says.
How come?
Very off topic here but is your last name Cummings? |
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| streakysox - 2017-01-21 5:33 PM
cutnrunqhmt - 2017-01-21 11:35 AM
We have crossed a few cow bred mares on our Special Leader/Streaking Six stud and I like them. I had a granddaughter of Doc O Lena and I have a granddaughter of Reminic that we are still using. The colts are fast,quick and smart no complaints yet. This picture is a 3yr old out of the Doc O Lena bred mare.
Very nice. Goes back to Three Bars if I am correct.
I do realize Doc Bar was bred to run but he couldn't or didn't but did make his mark crossing to those cow/working horse bloodlines . I grew up riding Poco Bueno / Doc Bar bred horses and married into a race horse family so I do enjoy crossing the two. |
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| I am not fussy on cow versus race, as long as they have nice conformation, a big stride, the agility, and the fire in their belly.
Two cutting lines I haven't seen posted yet I love is Boonlit Dancer (peptoboonsmal) Boonlit Dancer has produced more money earning offspring then peptoboonsmal.
There is a Canadian stud Boonlit by Boonlit dancer, they have began crossing him on run. His oldest crop is 5 I believe and the video of the one is nice. They currently are in Arizona.
Highbrow cat, is the other one I would love to cross on a running machine, I find the highbrows are light on their feet, athletic. I think crossing a confederate leader on a highbrow would be cool. I think crossed on a dash Ta fame the horse would have too much ability it would hurt itself. |
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Location: Texas | cheryl makofka - 2017-01-21 9:30 PM
I am not fussy on cow versus race, as long as they have nice conformation, a big stride, the agility, and the fire in their belly.
Two cutting lines I haven't seen posted yet I love is Boonlit Dancer (peptoboonsmal) Boonlit Dancer has produced more money earning offspring then peptoboonsmal.
There is a Canadian stud Boonlit by Boonlit dancer, they have began crossing him on run. His oldest crop is 5 I believe and the video of the one is nice. They currently are in Arizona.
Highbrow cat, is the other one I would love to cross on a running machine, I find the highbrows are light on their feet, athletic. I think crossing a confederate leader on a highbrow would be cool. I think crossed on a dash Ta fame the horse would have too much ability it would hurt itself.
My mare is High Brow Cat and Colonel Freckles and she is so intelligent and willing. She's the first HBC I've worked with but if they're all as easy to work with, he's one of my new favorite lines! I've been trying to think of race lines to cross her with one day; I hadn't considered Confederate Leader ?? |
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| High brow cat is an excellent choice. You have an overload of Lightning Bar there combine with Leo for speed. |
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Location: Texas | sorrel horse ranch - 2017-01-20 9:39 PM
My stud horse was by Streakin Six out of an own daughter of Genuine Doc. He was the best horse I ever rode.
To this day it makes me sad that I didn't get a mare booked to him before he passed :( |
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| I really like cow on run. My favorite would be run on bottom, but I think you can do either based on confirmation, and what you are trying to get out of each parent. And to the remark about all the "now cow lines coming from race breds" yes that is true but its not the 50s anymore and now days cow breds wouldn't cut it on the track like 50s stallions could. And considering doc bar sucked it up on the track and made the best cutting stallion of all time means every horse can be good at something they weren't bred for. Im pretty sure when they bred DTF they didn't have in mind that he would become the best barrel sire of all time either. |
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Location: In a happy place | casualdust07 - 2017-01-22 2:31 PM sorrel horse ranch - 2017-01-20 9:39 PM My stud horse was by Streakin Six out of an own daughter of Genuine Doc. He was the best horse I ever rode. To this day it makes me sad that I didn't get a mare booked to him before he passed : (
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| streakysox - 2017-01-20 9:30 AM Just for the record, Doc Bar was a grandson of Three Bars through Lightning Bars. (If you will google Doc Bar, he was bred to be a race horse) Back in the 1950's and 60's Quarter horses did it all. Smooth Herman who was world champion cutting horse was by Jet Smooth. Just another example of how Quarter horses were used for everything. Three Bars, who was a thoroughbred, was probably the thoroughbred who had the most influence on the Quarter horse industry. So, no the DOC BAR line is not really cowhorse. Mary Burgers horse goes back to Doc Bar and Lightning Bar (through Laughing Boy). You have a big dose of Three Bars on his top side also. Driftwood IS a cowhorse but with so much running horse, it is kind of overridden. In the 1960's some neighbors owned Sugar Bar Leo, a son of Sugar Bars. Their main interest was interest was racing so the daughters barrel raced. So if you do not want to read all that, the DOC BAR line is not cowhorse breeding. I disagree.
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | Whiteboy - 2017-01-23 12:52 PM streakysox - 2017-01-20 9:30 AM Just for the record, Doc Bar was a grandson of Three Bars through Lightning Bars. (If you will google Doc Bar, he was bred to be a race horse) Back in the 1950's and 60's Quarter horses did it all. Smooth Herman who was world champion cutting horse was by Jet Smooth. Just another example of how Quarter horses were used for everything. Three Bars, who was a thoroughbred, was probably the thoroughbred who had the most influence on the Quarter horse industry. So, no the DOC BAR line is not really cowhorse. Mary Burgers horse goes back to Doc Bar and Lightning Bar (through Laughing Boy). You have a big dose of Three Bars on his top side also. Driftwood IS a cowhorse but with so much running horse, it is kind of overridden. In the 1960's some neighbors owned Sugar Bar Leo, a son of Sugar Bars. Their main interest was interest was racing so the daughters barrel raced. So if you do not want to read all that, the DOC BAR line is not cowhorse breeding. I disagree.
I also disagree (and agree with Whiteboy on this). Almost all of these horses can be traced back to running blood at some point or another. I look for at what a significant sire did in his lifetime and what his offspring have been doing for a generation or two down the road to term what I would classify the horse. And if you look at that, much of his offspring has definitely been considered cowhorses, and some have succeeded as halter horse, or pleasure, and yes even barrels....etc. Doc Bar himself even had halter points. True, he was bred to race, but he was a flop on the track. In my opinion he is a cowhorse (or cutting horse, however one wishes to term it) due to his extreme impact in the cutting horse industry.
Driftwood is a bit different as he was a racehorse and smoked his competition in match races. His offspring just got a reputation as good using horses too (rodeo, ranch, etc.)...doesn't mean there isn't speed there. I personally would classify him as a performance horse, although many do still classify him as race, which isn't entirely wrong either.
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