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Location: California | Murphy - 2017-02-08 10:41 AM
Serenity06 - 2017-02-07 11:07 PM The stud fee I paid is honestly the cheapest part of the whole equation. Lol. Idk I'm the type of person that over thinks EVERYTHING. If i could at least get some decent side pics it would make me feel better. I can't even find any win photos. If i decided to not use the breeding I would ask Bull's owner if it was ok to sell it. If she said no then I'd have to respect that. I honestly have no clue at this point.
It sucks to say, but the stud fee is usually always the cheapest part of breeding.
Oh no I get that! What I meant was the bid I paid for is the cheapest part of the whole equation since people were asking if I was willing to just forfeit that money. It was a St Jude's fundraiser so no biggie. The way I interpreted what was written with the auction was that live cover was an option and since he's only 2 hours from me it was MUCH cheaper. The $1175 isn't the issue, it's more of, I don't have amy decent conformation photos and there won't be any for a while and that is quite a bit more then I was expecting to be paying for a gamble on him. The money isn't the issue, it's my over thinking and knowING for slightly more money or even the same money I can breed to a proven stud. Had the wording on the auction been a bit more clear I probably wouldn't have bid.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | What has PFF sired to date? |
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Location: ND | If you want to know exactly what he looks like jump in a car and go see him for yourself. 2 hours is a short drive and you'll see much more than photos show. |
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Location: Texas | SaraJean - 2017-02-08 1:09 PM
If you want to know exactly what he looks like jump in a car and go see him for yourself. 2 hours is a short drive and you'll see much more than photos show.
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Location: California | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-08 11:23 AM
What has PFF sired to date?
I know of quite a few consistently in the 1D/2D.plenty more are great all around horses or used as ranch horses. Chris Martin and some other futurity trainers have a few that haven't started running yet.
I'm not really after a world contender. I also wasn't just referring to PFF in that last statement. I meant in general my hesitation on spending $1175 on a young stallion with no good confirmation photos to help promote him and no foals on the ground when I can spend that on plenty of other proven studs is my over thinking hesitation. It was more of a general statement then anything. |
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Location: California | SaraJean - 2017-02-08 12:09 PM
If you want to know exactly what he looks like jump in a car and go see him for yourself. 2 hours is a short drive and you'll see much more than photos show.
That's what I've been attempting to do. I just need my schedule to cooperate. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Serenity06 - 2017-02-08 2:15 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-08 11:23 AM What has PFF sired to date? I know of quite a few consistently in the 1D/2D.plenty more are great all around horses or used as ranch horses. Chris Martin and some other futurity trainers have a few that haven't started running yet. I'm not really after a world contender. I also wasn't just referring to PFF in that last statement. I meant in general my hesitation on spending $1175 on a young stallion with no good confirmation photos to help promote him and no foals on the ground when I can spend that on plenty of other proven studs is my over thinking hesitation. It was more of a general statement then anything.
I agree. I would go with Bull I think, but heck like mentioned above, go and see him. Talk to the owners. They might cut you a break? |
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Location: California | This is the very reason I post things; a very smart person mentioned that I should check to see if they can collect and AI at their facility to cut out some costs. See, my over thinking brain didn't think of that. Lol
I do plan to go see him. Just have to figure out when it works for both the owner and I. |
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| Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this. |
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Location: California | KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 5:31 AM
Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this.
Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 7:50 AM KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 5:31 AM Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this. Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out. So yes I do plan to go see him.
I don't blame them for not wanting to take icky pictures. With the way we can all copy and share pictures all over social media, it doesn't take much for one bad picture to ruin a stallion's reputation. I am amazed at the people that take the most horrid pictures of their stallions themselves and paste them all over the internet and on flyers. I know when we were stallion shopping to buy our first stallion, 99% of the pictures that made us gag, the colt himself was actually pretty nice. Most people don't know how to properly set up a horse for a photo. |
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Location: California | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 8:23 AM
Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 7:50 AM KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 5:31 AM Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this. Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out. So yes I do plan to go see him.
That is exactly why I won't take any pics or anything when I go see him. I understand completely as to why they are waiting till they have professional pictures. I don't blame her at all. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 9:23 AM Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 7:50 AM KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 5:31 AM Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this. Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out. So yes I do plan to go see him.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 8:30 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 8:23 AM Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 7:50 AM KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 5:31 AM Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this. Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out. So yes I do plan to go see him. That is exactly why I won't take any pics or anything when I go see him. I understand completely as to why they are waiting till they have professional pictures. I don't blame her at all.
and most of all, watch him move. If he is said to paddle, watch him trot to you and away. I envy you living close enough to see him. In WY I am so far removed from all the nice race stallions I would love to breed to. It would take me a year to drive the country and see them all |
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Location: California | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 8:42 AM
Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 8:30 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 8:23 AM Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 7:50 AM KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 5:31 AM Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this. Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out. So yes I do plan to go see him. That is exactly why I won't take any pics or anything when I go see him. I understand completely as to why they are waiting till they have professional pictures. I don't blame her at all.
The owner has a video up that definitely shows him paddling. He's in a turn out pen so it's hard to say if he was just showing off and moving funky or if he does it all the or what. He's won plenty on the track and is still sound.
I have WAY too many stallion stations within a reasonable distance. Lol. I am excited to see Bull in person! |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 9:23 AM
Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 7:50 AM KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 5:31 AM Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this. Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out. So yes I do plan to go see him.
And there are ENTIRELY TO MANY pictures of studs used in an advertisement that are photo shopped or angled just so until it looks nothing actually like the stallion. I've gone MANY times to look and thought I must be looking at the wrong horse. If an owner has nothing to hide - They wouldn't mind sending a close up picture of how the leg sets or if the horse is straight. Most people are capable of taking a picture that shows the horse how it HONESTLY is. Would it be a picture you want for a slick stud ad? No. But if it is a honest picture of the stud - I'd have no problem with the world seeing it. the stud is what the stud is. A true horse person looks past the dirt or shag and evaluates the horse underneath. |
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| Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 8:50 AM
KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 5:31 AM
Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this.
Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out.
So yes I do plan to go see him.
Then perhaps you can consider this a lesson learned. I don't want to sound snarky, but you placed a bid without educating yourself about what you were bidding on and on a horse you weren't sure you wanted to breed to. That is not the stallion auction's fault. Hopefully, when you get to go see him - You'll like him. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 10:13 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 9:23 AM Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 7:50 AM KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 5:31 AM Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this. Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out. So yes I do plan to go see him. And there are ENTIRELY TO MANY pictures of studs used in an advertisement that are photo shopped or angled just so until it looks nothing actually like the stallion. I've gone MANY times to look and thought I must be looking at the wrong horse. If an owner has nothing to hide - They wouldn't mind sending a close up picture of how the leg sets or if the horse is straight. Most people are capable of taking a picture that shows the horse how it HONESTLY is. Would it be a picture you want for a slick stud ad? No. But if it is a honest picture of the stud - I'd have no problem with the world seeing it. the stud is what the stud is. A true horse person looks past the dirt or shag and evaluates the horse underneath.
Very very true, that was also the case when we were stallion shopping. Actually I would say the ones we liked the most in pictures were nothing like that in person :/ and the ones we didn't like the pics, were nice individuals-just poor photos. My late stallion took awful pictures. We snapped over 150 before we found a couple we liked. He was just so hohum about the whole thing and he was actually a very correct well made horse. Then the FG stallion I breed to is as photogenic as they come. I can snap some quick pictures when I go to work with his owner and he always strikes a pose. Natural I guess. I am more like my late stud ( I hate the camera and it hates me lol). |
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Location: California | KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 10:19 AM
Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 8:50 AM
KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 5:31 AM
Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this.
Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out.
So yes I do plan to go see him.
Then perhaps you can consider this a lesson learned. I don't want to sound snarky, but you placed a bid without educating yourself about what you were bidding on and on a horse you weren't sure you wanted to breed to. That is not the stallion auction's fault. Hopefully, when you get to go see him - You'll like him.
Actually I DO want to breed to him but you apparently haven't bothered to read everything I have wrote. I don't blame the stallion auction, I simply misinterpreted which I have already said multiple times. I NEVER placed the blame for anything on anyone but myself. I bid because the way I interpreted the wording meant my costs would be HALF what they will be to ship semen and add in all the other extras. The cost I THOUGHT I had figured out was worth the gamble on a young up coming stallion. All of which I said multiple times. I post here so pepole can have an outside view and possibly give advise I haven't thought of, such as seeing if they collect and AI at the barn or not. Why I didn't think of that I have no clue, I should have. Lol. That option puts me closer to what I originally thought the whole deal would cost me.
Money isn't the real issue, the issue was how much of it I was willing to spend on a stud standing for his first year vs spending the same exact amount or just slightly more on a more proven stud since there are so many around the same price range. I placed the bid at the end of November so by the end of January after WAY too much has happened I did honestly forget about the auction. |
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Location: California | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 10:25 AM
KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 10:13 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 9:23 AM Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 7:50 AM KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 5:31 AM Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this. Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out. So yes I do plan to go see him. And there are ENTIRELY TO MANY pictures of studs used in an advertisement that are photo shopped or angled just so until it looks nothing actually like the stallion. I've gone MANY times to look and thought I must be looking at the wrong horse. If an owner has nothing to hide - They wouldn't mind sending a close up picture of how the leg sets or if the horse is straight. Most people are capable of taking a picture that shows the horse how it HONESTLY is. Would it be a picture you want for a slick stud ad? No. But if it is a honest picture of the stud - I'd have no problem with the world seeing it. the stud is what the stud is. A true horse person looks past the dirt or shag and evaluates the horse underneath.
My mare is one horse I can not for the life of me get a decent conformation picture of! Now Ace on the other hand, he picks a pose and holds it. If i take to long I get the evil eye. Lol |
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