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| OhMax - 2017-02-02 8:12 PM
cow pie - 2017-02-02 1:49 PM
Imo my cinch. Is not necessary.most of the time it's really lose. I think about removing my back cinch cause in my low turns my horses back legs really climb. I have a400 breast collar ,cause my saddle fits so well Ileave it loose cause the wither strap holds it up and I don't want my dirty horse to get it all sweaty. I think I'll run bareback cause all this tack is so expensive......I have some ocean property sale.....Ask Martha,Mary,Kristie,Sharon. "Do I need breast collar?" Yes..if you want a check. Yes if you value you and your horses' life.now I will go the other way .your pocket book.your choice.your freedom your life. You choose.
Please do remove your back cinch if it's loose. Floppy daylight back cinches are one of my biggest peeves, for one I feel like it must be annoying flopping around, and secondly yes, I can see the scenario of a back foot getting caught in the event of a slip or just one that really gets down. Snug it up (doesn't have to be roper tight ) or take it off.
I've got breastcollars on all my saddles...although now that someone mentioned a horse not firing with one on, it makes me tempted to try without it with my little horse...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Ed Wright had me take my breast collar off years ago on my gelding when he was a 4 year old. One of my issue I had come to the clinic with was I felt my gelding was stalling leaving the barrel, not a big issue for me as he was only 4 after all and I really had gone to the clinic more for the horsemanship part of it. Ed had me switch from the side pull with the snaffle I had been using to a short shank locked smooth 2 piece of his and that seemed to be the popular bridle that weekend. I had gone to warm Tucker up, went to grab that bridle from the fence and there wasnt' any, the girl who went right before me in the clinic had one of Ed's on her horse so she needed it more than I did, so I hopped back on Tucker and warmed him up without a bridle. Kind of looped my rein around his neck for moral support but actually had had done quite a bit of that kind of stuff with him at home in the 100ft round pen so he was fine with it. When it was my turn I put the bridle the girl had just taken off her horse on him and went to mount back up, Ed asked me if there was a reason I had the breast collar on and I said "no, just part of the uniform I guess..." He told me to take it off, he thought he just solved my stall problem out of the barrel, LOL!!! And in fact he had. |
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IMHO, if the weight of a simple breast collar slows a horse down significantly then maybe I ought to consider a diet first. I mean, come on a pound?? Wasn't it FT who made fringed breast collars so popular? If her horse runs faster maybe it's because it isn't irritated by all that fringe flopping around....
As for whether you need one or not, theoretically if your saddle fits PERFECTLY you're not supposed to need one. As to having one in case my front cinch fails...personally I'd rather have my saddle fall completely off than have it swing under their belly or around their chest.... again that is just IMHO. I cannot imagine that a loosely fitted breast collar would hold a saddle in place for very long at in, in case of equipment failure. Many people are basically running without one because they are not adjusted properly, the under strap being far too loose. Also you could cause yourself by cutting off their air from maladjustment. And I can sure see one irritated by one flopping on their chest, but I think that's something most horses can ignore.
If FT or anyone sets an arena record I imagine it is because of one or more of the following:
They have a jam up horse
The horse is in top shape
The ground REALLY suited the horse that day
The run was flawless, an unparalleled team effort
The rider's mindset was completely in the zone
It was their lucky day
They are just "that good"
Notice I do not place whether or not they had a breast collar. Or if they had their lucky socks on, or a million other things, many of them superstitious ('tho superstitions play a big part of the rider's mental game if they let it).
This kind of thing makes the lower part of myself want to be REALLY good, then say that something silly was the secret to my success just to see how many will follow along. And I keep in mind that when I see things like this and am reminded at what a master marketer of a brand someone is, what is it they are trying to sell. ( who remember speed or rhythm beads?)
Breast collar, or no, tie down or no, fancy bit or no, I say go with what works (safety in mind of course), but do your best to make sure that your tack fits and is adjusted properly.
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| run n rate - 2017-02-03 10:52 AM
Ed Wright had me take my breast collar off years ago on my gelding when he was a 4 year old. One of my issue I had come to the clinic with was I felt my gelding was stalling leaving the barrel, not a big issue for me as he was only 4 after all and I really had gone to the clinic more for the horsemanship part of it. Ed had me switch from the side pull with the snaffle I had been using to a short shank locked smooth 2 piece of his and that seemed to be the popular bridle that weekend. I had gone to warm Tucker up, went to grab that bridle from the fence and there wasnt' any, the girl who went right before me in the clinic had one of Ed's on her horse so she needed it more than I did, so I hopped back on Tucker and warmed him up without a bridle. Kind of looped my rein around his neck for moral support but actually had had done quite a bit of that kind of stuff with him at home in the 100ft round pen so he was fine with it. When it was my turn I put the bridle the girl had just taken off her horse on him and went to mount back up, Ed asked me if there was a reason I had the breast collar on and I said "no, just part of the uniform I guess..." He told me to take it off, he thought he just solved my stall problem out of the barrel, LOL!!! And in fact he had.
I am guessing that if your young horse worked better without it was because he was either less irritated/distracted or less restricted...NOT because the weight of the BC was too much to bear. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rodeoveteran - 2017-02-03 11:14 AM I had to revisit this thread. IMHO, if the weight of a simple breast collar slows a horse down significantly then maybe I ought to consider a diet first. I mean, come on a pound?? Wasn't it FT who made fringed breast collars so popular? If her horse runs faster maybe it's because it isn't irritated by all that fringe flopping around.... As for whether you need one or not, theoretically if your saddle fits PERFECTLY you're not supposed to need one. As to having one in case my front cinch fails...personally I'd rather have my saddle fall completely off than have it swing under their belly or around their chest.... again that is just IMHO. I cannot imagine that a loosely fitted breast collar would hold a saddle in place for very long at in, in case of equipment failure. Many people are basically running without one because they are not adjusted properly, the under strap being far too loose. Also you could cause yourself by cutting off their air from maladjustment. And I can sure see one irritated by one flopping on their chest, but I think that's something most horses can ignore. If FT or anyone sets an arena record I imagine it is because of one or more of the following: They have a jam up horse The horse is in top shape The ground REALLY suited the horse that day The run was flawless, an unparalleled team effort The rider's mindset was completely in the zone It was their lucky day They are just "that good" Notice I do not place whether or not they had a breast collar. Or if they had their lucky socks on, or a million other things, many of them superstitious ('tho superstitions play a big part of the rider's mental game if they let it). This kind of thing makes the lower part of myself want to be REALLY good, then say that something silly was the secret to my success just to see how many will follow along. And I keep in mind that when I see things like this and am reminded at what a master marketer of a brand someone is, what is it they are trying to sell. ( who remember speed or rhythm beads?) Breast collar, or no, tie down or no, fancy bit or no, I say go with what works (safety in mind of course), but do your best to make sure that your tack fits and is adjusted properly.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | She Looks great. Wish I could get back into shape!
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Location: 31 lengths farms | rodeoveteran - 2017-02-04 9:19 AM
run n rate - 2017-02-03 10:52 AM
Ed Wright had me take my breast collar off years ago on my gelding when he was a 4 year old. One of my issue I had come to the clinic with was I felt my gelding was stalling leaving the barrel, not a big issue for me as he was only 4 after all and I really had gone to the clinic more for the horsemanship part of it. Ed had me switch from the side pull with the snaffle I had been using to a short shank locked smooth 2 piece of his and that seemed to be the popular bridle that weekend. I had gone to warm Tucker up, went to grab that bridle from the fence and there wasnt' any, the girl who went right before me in the clinic had one of Ed's on her horse so she needed it more than I did, so I hopped back on Tucker and warmed him up without a bridle. Kind of looped my rein around his neck for moral support but actually had had done quite a bit of that kind of stuff with him at home in the 100ft round pen so he was fine with it. When it was my turn I put the bridle the girl had just taken off her horse on him and went to mount back up, Ed asked me if there was a reason I had the breast collar on and I said "no, just part of the uniform I guess..." He told me to take it off, he thought he just solved my stall problem out of the barrel, LOL!!! And in fact he had.
I am guessing that if your young horse worked better without it was because he was either less irritated/distracted or less restricted...NOT because the weight of the BC was too much to bear.
Absolutely!!! Not the weight, just the fact I had worked on him stopping off pressure, when he left the barrel the breast collar was putting some pressure on him which in his mind was telling him to "whoa", LOL!!!
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She does look great, and I'm in no way trying to take away from that. But the thing that stands out to me in this comparison is the degree of muscle in the horse. She looks stronger and like she's in a ton better shape. I think that probably contributes more to her runs being stronger than running with/without a breast collar. |
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Location: British Columbia | rpreast - 2017-02-03 11:46 AM
She does look great, and I'm in no way trying to take away from that. But the thing that stands out to me in this comparison is the degree of muscle in the horse. She looks stronger and like she's in a ton better shape. I think that probably contributes more to her runs being stronger than running with/without a breast collar.
Babyflo does look significantly healthier than she ever has!
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Location: Alabama | That was my first thought as well rpreast! I saw the pic and thought, "wow that mare looks better than ever!". The second thing I noticed was all the tack changes and then I looked at the rider. |
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Location: MN | SuperTrooper - 2017-02-03 9:36 AM I had a billet rip when I was loping a friends horse around a barrel. A breastcollar would have saved me, so I prefer to ride with one
Maybe it was because I was at a dead run at a rodeo when my billet ripped in half going around the 3rd barrel, but unfortunately my breastcollar did NOT save me. I was very badly hurt. It happened to me again, luckily just breezing my horse down the road but I noticed my horses stride had changed. Well my billet had snapped and the only thing holding my saddle on his back was my back cinch. Id much rather prefer a back cinch to a breastcollar any day of the week! IMHO. |
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| TMEquine - 2017-02-03 1:54 PM
rpreast - 2017-02-03 11:46 AM
She does look great, and I'm in no way trying to take away from that. But the thing that stands out to me in this comparison is the degree of muscle in the horse. She looks stronger and like she's in a ton better shape. I think that probably contributes more to her runs being stronger than running with/without a breast collar.
Babyflo does look significantly healthier than she ever has!
Shes just happy not to have crap hanging off her. Sorry I could not resist it but the mare looks so much more relaxed and happy. |
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| rodeoveteran - 2017-02-03 11:19 AM
run n rate - 2017-02-03 10:52 AM
Ed Wright had me take my breast collar off years ago on my gelding when he was a 4 year old. One of my issue I had come to the clinic with was I felt my gelding was stalling leaving the barrel, not a big issue for me as he was only 4 after all and I really had gone to the clinic more for the horsemanship part of it. Ed had me switch from the side pull with the snaffle I had been using to a short shank locked smooth 2 piece of his and that seemed to be the popular bridle that weekend. I had gone to warm Tucker up, went to grab that bridle from the fence and there wasnt' any, the girl who went right before me in the clinic had one of Ed's on her horse so she needed it more than I did, so I hopped back on Tucker and warmed him up without a bridle. Kind of looped my rein around his neck for moral support but actually had had done quite a bit of that kind of stuff with him at home in the 100ft round pen so he was fine with it. When it was my turn I put the bridle the girl had just taken off her horse on him and went to mount back up, Ed asked me if there was a reason I had the breast collar on and I said "no, just part of the uniform I guess..." He told me to take it off, he thought he just solved my stall problem out of the barrel, LOL!!! And in fact he had.
I am guessing that if your young horse worked better without it was because he was either less irritated/distracted or less restricted...NOT because the weight of the BC was too much to bear.
It isn't the weight of the breast collar that restricts a horse.
It is the placement and how tight it is.
Some people have breast collars placed so it interferes with the trachea, if a horse cant breathe, he can't run,
Some people have it soo tight the horse can't stretch out, if a horse can't reach he can't run.
On my horses where my saddle does slide back ( I had one and this was before the crown c saddles came out) I didn't put a breast collar on, I let it slide, that way the breast collar wasn't impeding his movement. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cheryl makofka - 2017-02-03 1:55 PM rodeoveteran - 2017-02-03 11:19 AM run n rate - 2017-02-03 10:52 AM Ed Wright had me take my breast collar off years ago on my gelding when he was a 4 year old. One of my issue I had come to the clinic with was I felt my gelding was stalling leaving the barrel, not a big issue for me as he was only 4 after all and I really had gone to the clinic more for the horsemanship part of it. Ed had me switch from the side pull with the snaffle I had been using to a short shank locked smooth 2 piece of his and that seemed to be the popular bridle that weekend. I had gone to warm Tucker up, went to grab that bridle from the fence and there wasnt' any, the girl who went right before me in the clinic had one of Ed's on her horse so she needed it more than I did, so I hopped back on Tucker and warmed him up without a bridle. Kind of looped my rein around his neck for moral support but actually had had done quite a bit of that kind of stuff with him at home in the 100ft round pen so he was fine with it. When it was my turn I put the bridle the girl had just taken off her horse on him and went to mount back up, Ed asked me if there was a reason I had the breast collar on and I said "no, just part of the uniform I guess..." He told me to take it off, he thought he just solved my stall problem out of the barrel, LOL!!! And in fact he had. I am guessing that if your young horse worked better without it was because he was either less irritated/distracted or less restricted...NOT because the weight of the BC was too much to bear. It isn't the weight of the breast collar that restricts a horse. It is the placement and how tight it is. Some people have breast collars placed so it interferes with the trachea, if a horse cant breathe, he can't run, Some people have it soo tight the horse can't stretch out, if a horse can't reach he can't run. On my horses where my saddle does slide back ( I had one and this was before the crown c saddles came out ) I didn't put a breast collar on, I let it slide, that way the breast collar wasn't impeding his movement.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I have seen so many breast collars that are not sitting/placed right, I would rather not see a breast collar on a horse if its very thin and loose, I rather see a snug back cinch then a breast collar, a loose fitting breast collar is not going to save you from a fall if your front cinch off billets break during a hard turn. I dont use breast collars any more, if I do its my pulling collar type built for barrel racing they have a better fit and wider built. I think a pulling collar type breast collar is a safer way to go and wont interfer with the horse..And not being closed minded at all.. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | What stood out to me most was that Flo could really stretch out and run. She wasn't having to shorten her stride because of the tie down. I like thaty change. I don't care about the fringe, or the collar. But the extra head gear wasn't needed.
I bet she was able to balance better and learned to hold herself up correctly instead of leaning into and on the tie down. That alone may have contributed to her muscle gain.
Either way,whatever changes she has made were for the better for them both. I personally think they both look great. I wish them both luck in the 2017 season. |
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I wonder if she will ever find a saddle she really likes and stick with it? I've never seen a pro change saddles as much as she does on the same horse. |
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Location: Alabama | Nevertooold - 2017-02-03 3:09 PM
I wonder if she will ever find a saddle she really likes and stick with it? I've never seen a pro change saddles as much as she does on the same horse.
I wonder about this as well! Brazillian, bob marshall, circle y tammy, and now her own brand... lots of changes and back and forth with the saddle situation. |
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Location: British Columbia | Sockittoemred - 2017-02-03 2:17 PM
Nevertooold - 2017-02-03 3:09 PM
I wonder if she will ever find a saddle she really likes and stick with it? I've never seen a pro change saddles as much as she does on the same horse.
I wonder about this as well! Brazillian, bob marshall, circle y tammy, and now her own brand... lots of changes and back and forth with the saddle situation.
Whoever pays the bills, it seems....
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