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| On the post it talks about her forging a mans signature so she is shown as the breeder. If that is true or not I don't know. I don't think anyone believes everything they read off of facebook, or here for that matter, but with that many people coming forward saying they've had bad experiences it deserves to be discussed. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | gunner07 - 2017-03-10 10:27 AM On the post it talks about her forging a mans signature so she is shown as the breeder. If that is true or not I don't know. I don't think anyone believes everything they read off of facebook, or here for that matter, but with that many people coming forward saying they've had bad experiences it deserves to be discussed. That isn't what I read. What I read said that she "stole" this horse from someone that had bought his as a yearling. The person whose name she "supposedly" forged NEVER listed as an owner of this stallions dam.
I never said it shouldn't be discussed. (IMO people need to know that there could very well be an issue.)
But when one thing that is said doesn't sound true according to AQHA records, how much ELSE is also not true? Maybe none, or maybe all.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Well all I can say is most of what has been stated on that thread is NOT true. Proven by checking records available to anyone. So is she actually at fault or is this a vendetta against her by someone that owes her money and she's refusing to give them the BC? I haven't called AQHA to find out if she has or hasn't filed a SBR so I don't know. If someone wants to do that, AQHA will give out information about whether any have been filed for any year 2016 or before. I also don't know if this woman deserves the roasting she's getting. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Whiteboy - 2017-03-10 10:27 AM Does AQHA put sanctions on a horse that is in dispute?? Preventing them from filing a breeding report.
What do you mean a horse that is in dispute? If the owner is suspended, they can't file a SBR.
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| RacingQH - 2017-03-10 12:45 PM
gunner07 - 2017-03-10 10:27 AM On the post it talks about her forging a mans signature so she is shown as the breeder. If that is true or not I don't know. I don't think anyone believes everything they read off of facebook, or here for that matter, but with that many people coming forward saying they've had bad experiences it deserves to be discussed. That isn't what I read. What I read said that she "stole" this horse from someone that had bought his as a yearling. The person whose name she "supposedly" forged NEVER listed as an owner of this stallions dam.
I never said it shouldn't be discussed. (IMO people need to know that there could very well be an issue.)
But when one thing that is said doesn't sound true according to AQHA records, how much ELSE is also not true? Maybe none, or maybe all.
I was referring to other comments from the post that have been deleted. |
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| OregonBR - 2017-03-10 12:47 PM
Well all I can say is most of what has been stated on that thread is NOT true. Proven by checking records available to anyone. So is she actually at fault or is this a vendetta against her by someone that owes her money and she's refusing to give them the BC? I haven't called AQHA to find out if she has or hasn't filed a SBR so I don't know. If someone wants to do that, AQHA will give out information about whether any have been filed for any year 2016 or before. I also don't know if this woman deserves the roasting she's getting.
Who's roasting her? Are you referring to facebook or this thread, I think everyone has stayed pretty neutral on here, just trying to figure out what's going on. Like the saying goes... There are two sides to every story, and then there's the truth. |
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| RacingQH - 2017-03-10 12:50 PM Whiteboy - 2017-03-10 10:27 AM Does AQHA put sanctions on a horse that is in dispute?? Preventing them from filing a breeding report. What do you mean a horse that is in dispute? If the owner is suspended, they can't file a SBR.
More of a general question. If ownership of a horse is disputed (specifically a stallion), are there restrictions on the horse while they work out the dispute. I can see forgery, theft, divorce, reposession all as possible reasons for an ownership dispute, but not nececarilly suspension of any of the parties involved. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | gunner07 - 2017-03-10 11:10 AM
OregonBR - 2017-03-10 12:47 PM
Well all I can say is most of what has been stated on that thread is NOT true. Proven by checking records available to anyone. So is she actually at fault or is this a vendetta against her by someone that owes her money and she's refusing to give them the BC? I haven't called AQHA to find out if she has or hasn't filed a SBR so I don't know. If someone wants to do that, AQHA will give out information about whether any have been filed for any year 2016 or before. I also don't know if this woman deserves the roasting she's getting.
Who's roasting her? Are you referring to facebook or this thread, I think everyone has stayed pretty neutral on here, just trying to figure out what's going on. Like the saying goes... There are two sides to every story, and then there's the truth.
On the facebook page of the person who says she's having trouble getting a BC. There are people coming out of the woodwork to say all kinds of things. |
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | gunner07 - 2017-03-10 1:06 PM RacingQH - 2017-03-10 12:45 PM gunner07 - 2017-03-10 10:27 AM On the post it talks about her forging a mans signature so she is shown as the breeder. If that is true or not I don't know. I don't think anyone believes everything they read off of facebook, or here for that matter, but with that many people coming forward saying they've had bad experiences it deserves to be discussed. That isn't what I read. What I read said that she "stole" this horse from someone that had bought his as a yearling. The person whose name she "supposedly" forged NEVER listed as an owner of this stallions dam.
I never said it shouldn't be discussed. (IMO people need to know that there could very well be an issue.)
But when one thing that is said doesn't sound true according to AQHA records, how much ELSE is also not true? Maybe none, or maybe all.
I was referring to other comments from the post that have been deleted.
Based on heresay on the facebook post, " that is what she did to steve her boyfriend before you i think... he has proof he owned this horse as a partner with patsy... its called bank checks but when the paperwork came guess who only put her name on the papers because she knew she was going out the door". I have no dog in this fight, however I do think it is necessary that if there is a lot of problems going on with not getting Breeder's certs then it's not something that should be hidden from the public. Also, answering a past post on this thread, the lady that said take to court that is what her sister did to get papers, she was reffering to a completely different stallion/owner combo, just sharing insight on how you can go about challenging the case to get the breeders cert. Bad deal all around. |
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| Whiteboy - 2017-03-10 12:27 PM
Does AQHA put sanctions on a horse that is in dispute?? Preventing them from filing a breeding report.
AQHA can suspend a stallion owner and they cannot transfer papers into or out of their name. I do not think that if you are suspended that you can file a stallion breeding report. That pretty much makes the stallion worthless. Ithink there are more people suspended because of faulty stallion reports than anything. Usually, a mare is left off the report. If AQHA contacts you about the error and you comply everything is good. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2017-03-10 1:28 PM gunner07 - 2017-03-10 1:06 PM RacingQH - 2017-03-10 12:45 PM gunner07 - 2017-03-10 10:27 AM On the post it talks about her forging a mans signature so she is shown as the breeder. If that is true or not I don't know. I don't think anyone believes everything they read off of facebook, or here for that matter, but with that many people coming forward saying they've had bad experiences it deserves to be discussed. That isn't what I read. What I read said that she "stole" this horse from someone that had bought his as a yearling. The person whose name she "supposedly" forged NEVER listed as an owner of this stallions dam.
I never said it shouldn't be discussed. (IMO people need to know that there could very well be an issue.)
But when one thing that is said doesn't sound true according to AQHA records, how much ELSE is also not true? Maybe none, or maybe all.
I was referring to other comments from the post that have been deleted.
So if this Steve is in fact involved, my guess is he is the one that disputed (with some sort of proof of payments) ownership with AQHA over the stallion and thus AQHA has put a hold on all their horse/stud business. Having dealt with divorce/horse issues etc, I feel sorry for all involved because AQHA can usually care less who misses out on papers etc, they are held to the rules of the court and usually wash their hands of the entire deal. Honestly, there isn't much they can do otherwise. |
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Location: Kansas | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-03-10 2:48 PM TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2017-03-10 1:28 PM gunner07 - 2017-03-10 1:06 PM RacingQH - 2017-03-10 12:45 PM gunner07 - 2017-03-10 10:27 AM On the post it talks about her forging a mans signature so she is shown as the breeder. If that is true or not I don't know. I don't think anyone believes everything they read off of facebook, or here for that matter, but with that many people coming forward saying they've had bad experiences it deserves to be discussed. That isn't what I read. What I read said that she "stole" this horse from someone that had bought his as a yearling. The person whose name she "supposedly" forged NEVER listed as an owner of this stallions dam.
I never said it shouldn't be discussed. (IMO people need to know that there could very well be an issue.)
But when one thing that is said doesn't sound true according to AQHA records, how much ELSE is also not true? Maybe none, or maybe all.
I was referring to other comments from the post that have been deleted.
My opinion.....she shouldn't be standing him at stud until the issues with AQHA are cleared up....because then people won't get screwed over breeding to him, and getting grade colts |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | hoofs_in_motion - 2017-03-10 2:11 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-03-10 2:48 PM TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2017-03-10 1:28 PM gunner07 - 2017-03-10 1:06 PM RacingQH - 2017-03-10 12:45 PM gunner07 - 2017-03-10 10:27 AM On the post it talks about her forging a mans signature so she is shown as the breeder. If that is true or not I don't know. I don't think anyone believes everything they read off of facebook, or here for that matter, but with that many people coming forward saying they've had bad experiences it deserves to be discussed. That isn't what I read. What I read said that she "stole" this horse from someone that had bought his as a yearling. The person whose name she "supposedly" forged NEVER listed as an owner of this stallions dam.
I never said it shouldn't be discussed. (IMO people need to know that there could very well be an issue.)
But when one thing that is said doesn't sound true according to AQHA records, how much ELSE is also not true? Maybe none, or maybe all.
I was referring to other comments from the post that have been deleted.
If she has done 1/2 of what I have read she has, I doubt she cares. All crooks are in the horse business, just not everyone in the horse buisness is a crook. Good luck weeding them out. |
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| OregonBR - 2017-03-10 12:47 PM
Well all I can say is most of what has been stated on that thread is NOT true. Proven by checking records available to anyone. So is she actually at fault or is this a vendetta against her by someone that owes her money and she's refusing to give them the BC? I haven't called AQHA to find out if she has or hasn't filed a SBR so I don't know. If someone wants to do that, AQHA will give out information about whether any have been filed for any year 2016 or before. I also don't know if this woman deserves the roasting she's getting.
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| gunner07 - 2017-03-10 10:50 AM
Well I guess since there are already court cases I wasn't aware of I can say.. my fling with fame
OMG!!! He was on my stallion list!!!! Jeez oh man... |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I just called AQHA. The stallion has never been 5 panel tested. They have never received a SBR for him. Which is why there are no BC being issued. Then I asked if the owner of the horse is suspended or if there were any red flags on their account. She said no.
Usually I research a stallion that I'm interested in breeding to. Years ago I pulled a performance report on a stallion by DTF I was interested in. The owners were advertising him as having a SI 98. He had an official SI from AQHA of 86.
My point in mentioning the above is WHY do consumers have to depend on rumor and luck to find out you spent $$ to get a foal that has not had the stallion owner do their due diligence. I'm beginning to think the woman deserves what she's getting. IMO the people involved need to go after her legally. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | jbhoot - 2017-03-10 4:39 PM
How many colt crops has the stud had?
There is no way to know,(ZERO breeding reports have been submitted for him.) unless someone bred to him every year they had a chance. He is only 5yo. So there CAN'T be very many. |
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Location: A roping pen near you!! | How can she be the owner and breeder and steal him, very carfully it's called DIVORCE and she put him in her name when she knew she was leaving!! |
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| RacingQH - 2017-03-11 11:14 AM
jbhoot - 2017-03-10 4:39 PM
How many colt crops has the stud had?
There is no way to know, (ZERO breeding reports have been submitted for him. ) unless someone bred to him every year they had a chance. He is only 5yo. So there CAN'T be very many.
Yes I know. I was just asking since there seems to be people in the know on this thread if it was one or two crops just to get an idea on how many colts effected by this. |
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