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Location: North Texas | I believe I read somewhere that you are entitled to 5x the ticket's cost if the flight is overbooked. I'll try to find where I read it...
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| Because people should get what they paid for and if the airline is over booking they know someone is going to get shortchanged on their travel. The intent is to make sure they book every seat on their flight but it is at the expense for some random customer who has no idea they are going to be booted off the flight. Something like that could have serious consequences for some people. Maybe they are trying to see a dying relative or traveling for an important time senistive medical procedure or job interview. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2017-04-11 12:12 PM His sordid past is completely irrelevant. The whole incident was handled terribly. It could have happened to anyone. That's the point. So the guy is a douche bag. Fine, I get it. It was stupid on United's part. They should just auction off those 4 spots. Stopping at $800 or $1000 wasn't enough. If they would have offered $1500 they would have gotten 4 volunteers, I guarantee it. They would have lost $2000. That's the price they pay.
Agreed......and WHY didn't they know that they needed those four seats BEFORE they ever loaded ANY passengers? |
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| NJJ - 2017-04-11 12:43 PM Bear - 2017-04-11 12:12 PM His sordid past is completely irrelevant. The whole incident was handled terribly. It could have happened to anyone. That's the point. So the guy is a douche bag. Fine, I get it. It was stupid on United's part. They should just auction off those 4 spots. Stopping at $800 or $1000 wasn't enough. If they would have offered $1500 they would have gotten 4 volunteers, I guarantee it. They would have lost $2000. That's the price they pay. Agreed......and WHY didn't they know that they needed those four seats BEFORE they ever loaded ANY passengers?
Exactly, handle it before you board |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | The issue and point was they United Airlines was in the wrong on the way they handled this, they overbooked their fault not the paying passingers, they should have just put their people on another flight.. Shame on them  |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | RockinGR - 2017-04-11 11:51 AM Don't know the reliability of the source, but I did see this posted about the doctor: The passenger who was savagely removed from United flight 3411 is a medical doctor with a sordid history. Dr. David Dao was charged in 2005 with 98 felony drug counts for illegally prescribing and trafficking painkillers. Prosecutors claimed Dao fraudulently filled prescriptions for hydocodone, Oxycontin and Percocet. Dr. Dao was also convicted on 6 felony counts of obtaining drugs by fraud and deceit and in 2005 was given 5 years probation. Dao was also convicted for writing prescriptions and checks to a patient in exchange for sex. In February, 2005, Dr. Dao surrendered his license to practice medicine in Kentucky. In 2015 the medical board lifted the suspension and allowed him to practice medicine with some restrictions. Last year, the medical board imposed even more restrictions -- now he can only practice internal medicine in an outpatient facility one day a week. Still not justifiable, but it does make you go "hmmmmm...."
And now he's going to be a millionaire. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | SloRide - 2017-04-11 1:40 PM Because people should get what they paid for and if the airline is over booking they know someone is going to get shortchanged on their travel. The intent is to make sure they book every seat on their flight but it is at the expense for some random customer who has no idea they are going to be booted off the flight. Something like that could have serious consequences for some people. Maybe they are trying to see a dying relative or traveling for an important time senistive medical procedure or job interview.
every ticket that is purchased on any airline has verbage stating that you are not guaranteed seat. I can't remeber the exacty wordage but it's there.
Overbooking flights is based on years of experience and metrics. It happens all the time and on every airline. The issue here was not the over book it was the way in which it was handled
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| I don't think they should be able to selling a service they are not sure they can provide. I do not agree with their verbage. And United lost a billion dollars today. Very costly mistake on their part.
Edited by SloRide 2017-04-11 1:20 PM
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | SloRide - 2017-04-11 2:18 PM I don't think they should be able to selling a service they are not sure they can provide. I do not agree with their verbage. And United lost a billion dollars today. Very costly mistake on their part.
capitalism is hard.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SloRide - 2017-04-11 1:18 PM
I don't think they should be able to selling a service they are not sure they can provide. I do not agree with their verbage. And United lost a billion dollars today. Very costly mistake on their part.
That's nice. Do you think selling a service they "aren't sure they can provide" is unique to the airline industry? |
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | Nevertooold - 2017-04-11 12:51 PM
RockinGR - 2017-04-11 11:51 AM Don't know the reliability of the source, but I did see this posted about the doctor: The passenger who was savagely removed from United flight 3411 is a medical doctor with a sordid history. Dr. David Dao was charged in 2005 with 98 felony drug counts for illegally prescribing and trafficking painkillers. Prosecutors claimed Dao fraudulently filled prescriptions for hydocodone, Oxycontin and Percocet. Dr. Dao was also convicted on 6 felony counts of obtaining drugs by fraud and deceit and in 2005 was given 5 years probation. Dao was also convicted for writing prescriptions and checks to a patient in exchange for sex. In February, 2005, Dr. Dao surrendered his license to practice medicine in Kentucky. In 2015 the medical board lifted the suspension and allowed him to practice medicine with some restrictions. Last year, the medical board imposed even more restrictions -- now he can only practice internal medicine in an outpatient facility one day a week. Still not justifiable, but it does make you go "hmmmmm...."
And now he's going to be a millionaire.
EXACTLY!
I agree 110% that UA handled the situation terribly...and they will end up paying for it. My sharing of his alleged past merely raised more flags on his already strange behavior--and claims that he had patients that he had to get back to. Just seems a little off. |
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Location: Jersey Girl | IMO the airline was wrong. Simple as that. |
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| I remember once flying to Europe where the airline was WAY overbooked and they needed available seats. It offered a good compensation deal but I don't get to see my family that often so every day that I can spend with them counts! If they would have forced me to give up my seat I assure you they would have had to use a tranquilizer gun! LOL
We had such a tiring, not very good experience dealing with airlines last summer that I have not desire to fly any time soon! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | OK everyone agrees on this, basically, but people don't always think of things from the airlines point of view either. You can say what you want about overbooking, but what happens if you have even a non-refundable ticket and you decide to cancel the day before, for whatever reason? Most of the time, even with a cheap, non-refundable ticket, you can get credit and apply it to a future flight, maybe for a small re-booking fee. Those last minute cancellations might not be replaced, and the airlines take a hit in those cases.
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Location: Washington | Get your credit cards ready, there should be some great deals coming up on United.  |
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| Bear - 2017-04-11 12:12 PM
His sordid past is completely irrelevant. The whole incident was handled terribly. It could have happened to anyone. That's the point. So the guy is a douche bag. Fine, I get it. It was stupid on United's part. They should just auction off those 4 spots. Stopping at $800 or $1000 wasn't enough. If they would have offered $1500 they would have gotten 4 volunteers, I guarantee it. They would have lost $2000. That's the price they pay.
AMEN 100% - his past has absolutely NOTHING to do with how he was treated - NOTHING. |
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Location: Kansas | Putting myself in that passenger's place, I believe I would have stood up and handled it much better from the get-go. He had to have reacted childishly in order for this scene to reach such a chaotic level. Not defending Security but come on........live to fight another day.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Frodo - 2017-04-12 7:05 AM
Putting myself in that passenger's place, I believe I would have stood up and handled it much better from the get-go. He had to have reacted childishly in order for this scene to reach such a chaotic level. Not defending Security but come on........live to fight another day.
Heck no. This guy hit the mother lode by squealing and resisting.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Predictable:
http://www.newsmax.com/US/United-airlines-passenger-lawsuit/2017/04... |
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