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IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 9:07 AM
Oh boy.... I'll just leave this here. " (b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings. " I had my little one at home to avoid all the Vaccines, Vitamin K shot, and other immune dibilitating shots and formulas all babies recieve in order to cover doctors butts when babies are born... Doctors don't give your baby Vaccines and shots to help them when they are first born. They give them things so that if anything happens to the baby they can say they vaccinated, shot up, etc and exhausted all possible "preventative measures" to ensure your baby was "Healthy".
Sure, I am giving my child some vaccines. My Child's doctor has a very great approach: If anything is wrong she gives you three routes of treatment: traditional, hollistic, and a combination of the two. She's great and I fully trust her judgement. It is my right to choose what my child gets and when she gets it and how exactly it's administered. And you can bet it's not on the same schedule as the Pharm companies.
For example here is what was given Pre Liability Release and what was given Post Liability Release. Parents have the right to choose. If you feel your child needs a different schedule, make one. If you feel your child needs no Vaccines, don't give them. If you feel your child needs all the vaccines listed, give them. They aren't mandatory. I don't think it's fair to say what is right for your child is right for everyone's child.
Good lord, that list is insane! I was always the mom who wouldn't get the vaccines until they set a suspension date at school. My daughter would get high temperatures a day or so after her vaccines, not just 100 degrees but 104. I would call the doctor in a panic at night when they came on, he would tell me to wipe her down with a tepid wash cloth and give her tylenol and by the next morning when he opened his office, she would have no fever. He couldn't explain it, then when she was 6 months old she had a seizure, thankfully not a grand mal, but scarey none the less and had a couple a year thereafter, some were grand mal. Never found out why. This lead me to really space out her vaccines. The doctor agreed with me. I did the same for my son and he never had any problems. I don't know if the vaccines had anything to do with her fevers, but they didn't start until she started her vaccines at 2 months. My kids were vaccinated but only the bare minimum. They were outdoor ranch kids and were always healthier than their classmates. I honestly don't know who to believe. It's hard to trust pharmacy companies, but there is no question the polio and small pox vaccines worked for most people.
My baby just had a seizure Monday. Very scary. It had nothing to do with vaccines, epilepsy, or any such thing. It was grand mal or tonic/clonic as they call them now. It lasted about 45 seconds.
The cause was . . . a rapid increase in fever. She has strep. If a baby has a temperature that climbs rapidly for pretty much any reason, they can experience these. Happen in about 4% of kids I guess. They are called febrile seizures and are most common in children between 6 months and 5 years of age.
It is is not uncommon for vaccines to cause a fever. I guess in children, while rare, it is not unknown for fevers to cause seizures. Febrile seizures are supposed to have no nasty long term effects I have been told (thank god ), but we will be watching our little girl in future any time she gets sick to manage the fever more appropriately.
My mother who is a nurse says a tepid water bath is one of the BEST and quickest ways to get a temperature down so you were told correctly. I am surprised though that they did explain about febrile seizures to you as that is what it sounds like she had.
I do know certain vaccines can cause major issues if you have certain genes.
She didn't have a fever before or after her seizure. It was probably several days after the vaccinations and high fever. Hers were never connected to a fever. We went to 3 diffferent neuro doctors, one in Houston. She had several EEG's over a couple of years. When they put her on anti seizure meds, she actually increased her seizure episodes and the intensity was more also. She passed every neuro test they gave her with flying colors. This is a kid who talked complete sentences at a very early age and walked early, too. None of the doctors had a clue why she was having them. Taking her off seizure meds helped. She actually out grew them. She is 30 and hasn't had one since she was 24.
This was back in 1986 when they started and the doctors told me we would likely never know what caused them. It was strange because they were only a couple times a year and gradually just stopped.
Ah I misread your sequence of events. That is very scary but also possible. Thankfully my daughter has never had any seizures after her vaccines. The seizure she had Monday was plenty scary though. They tested her glucose and heart rate. They haven't called for any more tests yet as it can be clearly traced to the fever. If she has more, it may be necessary though.
Lol, it was me not sequencing my answer very well. I do that a lot posting and talking. I hope your little girl is doing better. That is the most helpless feeling in the world to watch your baby seize. My daughter usually just seem to faint and stiffen, but she had some that were terrifying. But no matter the severity, she would always be really tired afterwards and about 10 or minutes after the seizure she would go into a deep sleep. I hope that that is the only one she ever has. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Bear - 2017-04-20 10:03 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 9:07 AM Oh boy.... I'll just leave this here. " (b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings
(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings. "
I had my little one at home to avoid all the Vaccines, Vitamin K shot, and other immune dibilitating shots and formulas all babies recieve in order to cover doctors butts when babies are born... Doctors don't give your baby Vaccines and shots to help them when they are first born. They give them things so that if anything happens to the baby they can say they vaccinated, shot up, etc and exhausted all possible "preventative measures" to ensure your baby was "Healthy".
Sure, I am giving my child some vaccines. My Child's doctor has a very great approach: If anything is wrong she gives you three routes of treatment: traditional, hollistic, and a combination of the two. She's great and I fully trust her judgement. It is my right to choose what my child gets and when she gets it and how exactly it's administered. And you can bet it's not on the same schedule as the Pharm companies.
For example here is what was given Pre Liability Release and what was given Post Liability Release. Parents have the right to choose. If you feel your child needs a different schedule, make one. If you feel your child needs no Vaccines, don't give them. If you feel your child needs all the vaccines listed, give them. They aren't mandatory. I don't think it's fair to say what is right for your child is right for everyone's child. Who says they are "immune debilitating"? How so? Explain how vaccinations are "debilitating" to the immune system. On the contrary, they amplify the immune system. That's how they work. You folks need to stop listening to Jenny McCarthy.
I don't know who Jenny McCarthy is. I don't base my opinion on others. As I said, If after researching via the CDC website I feel a vaccine should not be given to my child, I do not have it administered. That is my right, my choice, as it is yours. My belief in why I don't get certain vaccines at certan times is also my choice and my right.
Immune Debilitating. Anything foreign your body injests, or in this case get injected into it, immedietly triggers a response by your body. Food. Germs. A disease. A strain of Flu. Your body reacts.
If your body detects a disease or sickness it forms antibodies to attach to said sickness/disease to kind of "tag" it in a way telling the white blood cells what to attack. Boom. Your immune system reacts. Your immune ssytem is thus weakend because it has had to "fight off" said sickness, disease, flue strain, etc. Immune debilitating.
Please explain how they "amplify" the immune system? (Trying to have a nice debate Bear, not being nasty at all.  Very curious why you believe they amplify an immune system.)
Wouldn't your immune system just recognise the foreign matter the next time it entered your system? Your body may "learn" how to fight an infection a bit better, but to me your immune system is only "amplified" by say: Vitamin C, or other immune "Boosting" natural vitamins or herbs. I also believe that medicine works better on my child when she is sick simply because her immune system is so strong and isn't used to traditional forms of medicine. Antibiotics have there place. As do Vaccines. But I don't believe in attacking a baby's immune system with so vaccines at such a young age. I would rather my child's immune system get stronger before I attack it with a vaccine. Just my personal preference. No one is wrong if they follow the schedule in my eyes. Mom knows Best, right?  | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | GLP - 2017-04-20 12:12 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 9:07 AM Oh boy.... I'll just leave this here. " (b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings
(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings. "
I had my little one at home to avoid all the Vaccines, Vitamin K shot, and other immune dibilitating shots and formulas all babies recieve in order to cover doctors butts when babies are born... Doctors don't give your baby Vaccines and shots to help them when they are first born. They give them things so that if anything happens to the baby they can say they vaccinated, shot up, etc and exhausted all possible "preventative measures" to ensure your baby was "Healthy".
Sure, I am giving my child some vaccines. My Child's doctor has a very great approach: If anything is wrong she gives you three routes of treatment: traditional, hollistic, and a combination of the two. She's great and I fully trust her judgement. It is my right to choose what my child gets and when she gets it and how exactly it's administered. And you can bet it's not on the same schedule as the Pharm companies.
For example here is what was given Pre Liability Release and what was given Post Liability Release. Parents have the right to choose. If you feel your child needs a different schedule, make one. If you feel your child needs no Vaccines, don't give them. If you feel your child needs all the vaccines listed, give them. They aren't mandatory. I don't think it's fair to say what is right for your child is right for everyone's child. Good lord, that list is insane! I was always the mom who wouldn't get the vaccines until they set a suspension date at school. My daughter would get high temperatures a day or so after her vaccines, not just 100 degrees but 104. I would call the doctor in a panic at night when they came on, he would tell me to wipe her down with a tepid wash cloth and give her tylenol and by the next morning when he opened his office, she would have no fever. He couldn't explain it, then when she was 6 months old she had a seizure, thankfully not a grand mal, but scarey none the less and had a couple a year thereafter, some were grand mal. Never found out why. This lead me to really space out her vaccines. The doctor agreed with me. I did the same for my son and he never had any problems. I don't know if the vaccines had anything to do with her fevers, but they didn't start until she started her vaccines at 2 months. My kids were vaccinated but only the bare minimum. They were outdoor ranch kids and were always healthier than their classmates. I honestly don't know who to believe. It's hard to trust pharmacy companies, but there is no question the polio and small pox vaccines worked for most people.
I believe that vaccines have their place. But I don't believe in the schedule most doctors are pushing.
While looking for a doctor for my little one after she was born, I was told by three different doctors that they refused to see my child.
The first ask me what hospital she was born at and I replied that she was born at home. The lady got very quiet and replied: "We don't really have an opening for people like you..." And hung up on me. I cried. 2 days post-aprtum I'm sure it was horomones (Or lack there of) but It really made me feel like a bad Mum.
The second scheduled me for an appointment, even after hearing she was born at home, and when I asked her if they were comfortable with not following the recomended schedule she also got very quiet and said: "Ma'am, either you follow the schedule to a 'T' or we can't help you..." I canceled the appointment...
The third laughed at me when I asked about changing the schedule or starting the vaccines later. She laughed and then got quiet and said: "Oh, you're serious?" I hung up on her...
I was very fortunate to find my pediatrician. She accepts no insurance and is cash pay only. She takes maybe 20 newborns a year to see through the age of 18. She's refered to as the Hippie Doctor in town. I get laughed at by people for taking her to a "quack". But I truly believe that she has my child's best interest at heart. She isn't afraid to tell me non biased consequences of herbal or hollistic remedies as well as traditional medicine side effects. She is by far the biggest blessing I could have found.
Texas allows you to exempt yourself or child from all vaccines for any reason. Her first Daycare tried to tell me that I couldn't bring her because she was contagious. People there were truly scared of her. But If your child received the vaccine, wouldn't my child be the only one "sick" if she didn't get a vaccine? I mean, vaccines are "preventative" according to your doctor correct? lol sorry, just being sarcastic now. Either way, to each their own. No need to judge other moms for believing different things. | |
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| IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 4:22 PM
GLP - 2017-04-20 12:12 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 9:07 AM Oh boy.... I'll just leave this here. " (b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings
(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings. "
I had my little one at home to avoid all the Vaccines, Vitamin K shot, and other immune dibilitating shots and formulas all babies recieve in order to cover doctors butts when babies are born... Doctors don't give your baby Vaccines and shots to help them when they are first born. They give them things so that if anything happens to the baby they can say they vaccinated, shot up, etc and exhausted all possible "preventative measures" to ensure your baby was "Healthy".
Sure, I am giving my child some vaccines. My Child's doctor has a very great approach: If anything is wrong she gives you three routes of treatment: traditional, hollistic, and a combination of the two. She's great and I fully trust her judgement. It is my right to choose what my child gets and when she gets it and how exactly it's administered. And you can bet it's not on the same schedule as the Pharm companies.
For example here is what was given Pre Liability Release and what was given Post Liability Release. Parents have the right to choose. If you feel your child needs a different schedule, make one. If you feel your child needs no Vaccines, don't give them. If you feel your child needs all the vaccines listed, give them. They aren't mandatory. I don't think it's fair to say what is right for your child is right for everyone's child. Good lord, that list is insane! I was always the mom who wouldn't get the vaccines until they set a suspension date at school. My daughter would get high temperatures a day or so after her vaccines, not just 100 degrees but 104. I would call the doctor in a panic at night when they came on, he would tell me to wipe her down with a tepid wash cloth and give her tylenol and by the next morning when he opened his office, she would have no fever. He couldn't explain it, then when she was 6 months old she had a seizure, thankfully not a grand mal, but scarey none the less and had a couple a year thereafter, some were grand mal. Never found out why. This lead me to really space out her vaccines. The doctor agreed with me. I did the same for my son and he never had any problems. I don't know if the vaccines had anything to do with her fevers, but they didn't start until she started her vaccines at 2 months. My kids were vaccinated but only the bare minimum. They were outdoor ranch kids and were always healthier than their classmates. I honestly don't know who to believe. It's hard to trust pharmacy companies, but there is no question the polio and small pox vaccines worked for most people.
While looking for a doctor for my little one after she was born, I was told by three different doctors that they refused to see my child.
The first ask me what hospital she was born at and I replied that she was born at home. The lady got very quiet and replied: "We don't really have an opening for people like you..." And hung up on me. I cried. 2 days post-aprtum I'm sure it was horomones (Or lack there of) but It really made me feel like a bad Mum.
The second scheduled me for an appointment, even after hearing she was born at home, and when I asked her if they were comfortable with not following the recomended schedule she also got very quiet and said: "Ma'am, either you follow the schedule to a 'T' or we can't help you..." I canceled the appointment...
The third laughed at me when I asked about changing the schedule or starting the vaccines later. She laughed and then got quiet and said: "Oh, you're serious?" I hung up on her...
I was very fortunate to find my pediatrician. She accepts no insurance and is cash pay only. She takes maybe 20 newborns a year to see through the age of 18. She's refered to as the Hippie Doctor in town. I get laughed at by people for taking her to a "quack". But I truly believe that she has my child's best interest at heart. She isn't afraid to tell me non biased consequences of herbal or hollistic remedies as well as traditional medicine side effects. She is by far the biggest blessing I could have found.
Texas allows you to exempt yourself or child from all vaccines for any reason. Her first Daycare tried to tell me that I couldn't bring her because she was contagious. People there were truly scared of her. But If your child received the vaccine, wouldn't my child be the only one "sick" if she didn't get a vaccine? I mean, vaccines are "preventative" according to your doctor correct? lol sorry, just being sarcastic now. Either way, to each their own. No need to judge other moms for believing different things.
I wish I could find a TCM doctor down here or some one like your "hippie doctor". There is a time and place for vaccines and antibiotics but I think they are way over done here. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 4:12 PM
Bear - 2017-04-20 10:03 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 9:07 AM Oh boy.... I'll just leave this here. " (b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings
(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings. "
I had my little one at home to avoid all the Vaccines, Vitamin K shot, and other immune dibilitating shots and formulas all babies recieve in order to cover doctors butts when babies are born... Doctors don't give your baby Vaccines and shots to help them when they are first born. They give them things so that if anything happens to the baby they can say they vaccinated, shot up, etc and exhausted all possible "preventative measures" to ensure your baby was "Healthy".
Sure, I am giving my child some vaccines. My Child's doctor has a very great approach: If anything is wrong she gives you three routes of treatment: traditional, hollistic, and a combination of the two. She's great and I fully trust her judgement. It is my right to choose what my child gets and when she gets it and how exactly it's administered. And you can bet it's not on the same schedule as the Pharm companies.
For example here is what was given Pre Liability Release and what was given Post Liability Release. Parents have the right to choose. If you feel your child needs a different schedule, make one. If you feel your child needs no Vaccines, don't give them. If you feel your child needs all the vaccines listed, give them. They aren't mandatory. I don't think it's fair to say what is right for your child is right for everyone's child. Who says they are "immune debilitating"? How so? Explain how vaccinations are "debilitating" to the immune system. On the contrary, they amplify the immune system. That's how they work. You folks need to stop listening to Jenny McCarthy.
Immune Debilitating. Anything foreign your body injests, or in this case get injected into it, immedietly triggers a response by your body. Food. Germs. A disease. A strain of Flu. Your body reacts.
If your body detects a disease or sickness it forms antibodies to attach to said sickness/disease to kind of "tag" it in a way telling the white blood cells what to attack. Boom. Your immune system reacts. Your immune ssytem is thus weakend because it has had to "fight off" said sickness, disease, flue strain, etc. Immune debilitating.
Please explain how they "amplify" the immune system? (Trying to have a nice debate Bear, not being nasty at all. Very curious why you believe they amplify an immune system.)
Wouldn't your immune system just recognise the foreign matter the next time it entered your system? Your body may "learn" how to fight an infection a bit better, but to me your immune system is only "amplified" by say: Vitamin C, or other immune "Boosting" natural vitamins or herbs. I also believe that medicine works better on my child when she is sick simply because her immune system is so strong and isn't used to traditional forms of medicine. Antibiotics have there place. As do Vaccines. But I don't believe in attacking a baby's immune system with so vaccines at such a young age. I would rather my child's immune system get stronger before I attack it with a vaccine. Just my personal preference. No one is wrong if they follow the schedule in my eyes. Mom knows Best, right?
Explain your understanding of how vaccines work. We can go from there. I need to know your understanding first.
Your fund of knowledge is desperately in need of rehabilitation.
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| IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 4:22 PM
GLP - 2017-04-20 12:12 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 9:07 AM Oh boy.... I'll just leave this here. " (b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings
(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings. "
I had my little one at home to avoid all the Vaccines, Vitamin K shot, and other immune dibilitating shots and formulas all babies recieve in order to cover doctors butts when babies are born... Doctors don't give your baby Vaccines and shots to help them when they are first born. They give them things so that if anything happens to the baby they can say they vaccinated, shot up, etc and exhausted all possible "preventative measures" to ensure your baby was "Healthy".
Sure, I am giving my child some vaccines. My Child's doctor has a very great approach: If anything is wrong she gives you three routes of treatment: traditional, hollistic, and a combination of the two. She's great and I fully trust her judgement. It is my right to choose what my child gets and when she gets it and how exactly it's administered. And you can bet it's not on the same schedule as the Pharm companies.
For example here is what was given Pre Liability Release and what was given Post Liability Release. Parents have the right to choose. If you feel your child needs a different schedule, make one. If you feel your child needs no Vaccines, don't give them. If you feel your child needs all the vaccines listed, give them. They aren't mandatory. I don't think it's fair to say what is right for your child is right for everyone's child. Good lord, that list is insane! I was always the mom who wouldn't get the vaccines until they set a suspension date at school. My daughter would get high temperatures a day or so after her vaccines, not just 100 degrees but 104. I would call the doctor in a panic at night when they came on, he would tell me to wipe her down with a tepid wash cloth and give her tylenol and by the next morning when he opened his office, she would have no fever. He couldn't explain it, then when she was 6 months old she had a seizure, thankfully not a grand mal, but scarey none the less and had a couple a year thereafter, some were grand mal. Never found out why. This lead me to really space out her vaccines. The doctor agreed with me. I did the same for my son and he never had any problems. I don't know if the vaccines had anything to do with her fevers, but they didn't start until she started her vaccines at 2 months. My kids were vaccinated but only the bare minimum. They were outdoor ranch kids and were always healthier than their classmates. I honestly don't know who to believe. It's hard to trust pharmacy companies, but there is no question the polio and small pox vaccines worked for most people.
While looking for a doctor for my little one after she was born, I was told by three different doctors that they refused to see my child.
The first ask me what hospital she was born at and I replied that she was born at home. The lady got very quiet and replied: "We don't really have an opening for people like you..." And hung up on me. I cried. 2 days post-aprtum I'm sure it was horomones (Or lack there of) but It really made me feel like a bad Mum.
The second scheduled me for an appointment, even after hearing she was born at home, and when I asked her if they were comfortable with not following the recomended schedule she also got very quiet and said: "Ma'am, either you follow the schedule to a 'T' or we can't help you..." I canceled the appointment...
The third laughed at me when I asked about changing the schedule or starting the vaccines later. She laughed and then got quiet and said: "Oh, you're serious?" I hung up on her...
I was very fortunate to find my pediatrician. She accepts no insurance and is cash pay only. She takes maybe 20 newborns a year to see through the age of 18. She's refered to as the Hippie Doctor in town. I get laughed at by people for taking her to a "quack". But I truly believe that she has my child's best interest at heart. She isn't afraid to tell me non biased consequences of herbal or hollistic remedies as well as traditional medicine side effects. She is by far the biggest blessing I could have found.
Texas allows you to exempt yourself or child from all vaccines for any reason. Her first Daycare tried to tell me that I couldn't bring her because she was contagious. People there were truly scared of her. But If your child received the vaccine, wouldn't my child be the only one "sick" if she didn't get a vaccine? I mean, vaccines are "preventative" according to your doctor correct? lol sorry, just being sarcastic now. Either way, to each their own. No need to judge other moms for believing different things.
The only problem with your reasoning is not all kids can be vaccinated, and by you sending your unvaccinated child to school increases the risk of a immunocompromised, cancer riddled kid dying of a vaccine preventable disease cause you sent your child to school with a runny nose when in actuality it was a vaccine preventable disease.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I have'nt read all the replys, but my two boys are grown men with their own children, both my boys got their vaccines that was required when they both were born up untill they reached school age I did all their vaccines by the book and not either one of them had any problems, they are very healthy young men, my oldest is going to be 36 next month and my youngest is 27. Here in Texas they have to have their vaccines befor entering school.. | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 5:12 PM Bear - 2017-04-20 10:03 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-20 9:07 AM Oh boy.... I'll just leave this here. " (b) Unavoidable adverse side effects; warnings
(1) No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings. "
I had my little one at home to avoid all the Vaccines, Vitamin K shot, and other immune dibilitating shots and formulas all babies recieve in order to cover doctors butts when babies are born... Doctors don't give your baby Vaccines and shots to help them when they are first born. They give them things so that if anything happens to the baby they can say they vaccinated, shot up, etc and exhausted all possible "preventative measures" to ensure your baby was "Healthy".
Sure, I am giving my child some vaccines. My Child's doctor has a very great approach: If anything is wrong she gives you three routes of treatment: traditional, hollistic, and a combination of the two. She's great and I fully trust her judgement. It is my right to choose what my child gets and when she gets it and how exactly it's administered. And you can bet it's not on the same schedule as the Pharm companies.
For example here is what was given Pre Liability Release and what was given Post Liability Release. Parents have the right to choose. If you feel your child needs a different schedule, make one. If you feel your child needs no Vaccines, don't give them. If you feel your child needs all the vaccines listed, give them. They aren't mandatory. I don't think it's fair to say what is right for your child is right for everyone's child. Who says they are "immune debilitating"? How so? Explain how vaccinations are "debilitating" to the immune system. On the contrary, they amplify the immune system. That's how they work. You folks need to stop listening to Jenny McCarthy.
Immune Debilitating. Anything foreign your body injests, or in this case get injected into it, immedietly triggers a response by your body. Food. Germs. A disease. A strain of Flu. Your body reacts.
If your body detects a disease or sickness it forms antibodies to attach to said sickness/disease to kind of "tag" it in a way telling the white blood cells what to attack. Boom. Your immune system reacts. Your immune ssytem is thus weakend because it has had to "fight off" said sickness, disease, flue strain, etc. Immune debilitating.
Please explain how they "amplify" the immune system? (Trying to have a nice debate Bear, not being nasty at all. Very curious why you believe they amplify an immune system.)
Wouldn't your immune system just recognise the foreign matter the next time it entered your system? Your body may "learn" how to fight an infection a bit better, but to me your immune system is only "amplified" by say: Vitamin C, or other immune "Boosting" natural vitamins or herbs. I also believe that medicine works better on my child when she is sick simply because her immune system is so strong and isn't used to traditional forms of medicine. Antibiotics have there place. As do Vaccines. But I don't believe in attacking a baby's immune system with so vaccines at such a young age. I would rather my child's immune system get stronger before I attack it with a vaccine. Just my personal preference. No one is wrong if they follow the schedule in my eyes. Mom knows Best, right?
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-04-20 6:30 PM
I have'nt read all the replys, but my two boys are grown men with their own children, both my boys got their vaccines that was required when they both were born up untill they reached school age I did all their vaccines by the book and not either one of them had any problems, they are very healthy young men, my oldest is going to be 36 next month and my youngest is 27. Here in Texas they have to have their vaccines befor entering school..
The recommended vaccines were way less back than. I think only 24 or so now it's 72 or 74. Why do they keep upping the doses of the same shots over and over again? | |
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| What's the point in the hep b vaccine for newborns? Hep b is passed through sex, dirty needles, blood. I just had a baby in Jan and I declined the hep b vaccine, My nurse even agreed with me. She said there is no reason for a baby to get that shot. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Hep B is more common in children than people realize. Around the world, over 300 million people have been infected with hep B.
Over 100 million people in the U.S. have been vaccinated against Hep B. The incidence of Hep B 20-25 years ago was about 15 per 100,000 in kids between 10-18. Because of vaccines, that incidence had been lowered to 3 per 100,000 by the year 2000, and now the incidence is way less than 1 per 100,000. That's huge.
The Hep B series is proven to be very safe. Yes there are "reactions" to the vaccine, but those are mainly fever and pain at the injection site...both very transient.
The reason why you don't hear a lot about kids with Hep B is because the virus can take many years to become realized. The illness from Hep B can be very brief and short lived, or it can cause fulminant liver failure and death, or liver cancer. Unvaccinated kids can get hep b from their mothers, contact with family members who have the virus, or contact with anyone in the community who has the virus. It's not like they can only get it from dirty needles and transfusions.
Kids who have the hep B virus have an increased risk of progression to liver cancer of roughly 5% per decade.....in other words, one quarter of them develop liver cancer by age 50. That's not to mention the risk of cirrhosis and liver failure.
Short answer: I received the Hep B series. I recommend it, especially in babies. The risk- benefit ratio can't be disputed.
Edited by Bear 2017-04-20 7:43 PM
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Bnparlay - 2017-04-20 7:03 PM
What's the point in the hep b vaccine for newborns? Hep b is passed through sex, dirty needles, blood. I just had a baby in Jan and I declined the hep b vaccine, My nurse even agreed with me. She said there is no reason for a baby to get that shot.
Your nurse would get a severe dressing down if she were working for me. She doesn't know what she's talking about. Shame on her.
Now, just to be clear, I'm not in favor of forcing people to have their kids vaccinated. I'd rather talk sense to them. | |
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| Bnparlay - 2017-04-20 7:03 PM
What's the point in the hep b vaccine for newborns? Hep b is passed through sex, dirty needles, blood. I just had a baby in Jan and I declined the hep b vaccine, My nurse even agreed with me. She said there is no reason for a baby to get that shot.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/child/hepb.html
It's serious and not that hard to spread. If a mother gets it after a baby is born, she could pass it through breastfeeding. She can also pass it during birth if she is already infected. I have met a couple of people that got it while at the hospital. Hospitals are not as clean as people like to think. I remember going in with a friend when she was being induced. Someone else's blood was on a undermounted lever used to turn water on at the sink. We told them and they gave her a different room. Gross but mistakes happen. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I've watched a few people die as a result of the Hep B virus.
One bled to death and there wasn't a thing anyone could do. Another died from liver failure and "encephalopathy".....basically they became very delirious and slowly died. My aunt died from liver cancer, and I've seen a couple others die from it. It's mostly preventable. | |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Bear - 2017-04-20 7:42 AM
Nita - 2017-04-19 11:26 PM
I have a hard time believing that, in this day and age, the medical community can't figure out how to detect autism and if there is a risk for an individual child taking the MMR vaccine. Of course, they would have to first admit that there is a connection.
They should at least make the separate vaccines available, I know there is a demand for it.
I understand that the companies have done studies where thousands of children show no ill effects so they conclude that the vacs don't cause autism. But, the information available to the casual internet user is pretty compelling. It's seems hard to deny that it DOES effect SOME kids. The manufacturers seem to be ignoring the evidence, though and that makes me not trust them.
The theory l've read that made the most sense to me was that, yes, these kids were most likely going to have autism anyway. But, the MMR vaccine caused an earlier onset and more severe case of it. There are just too many parents whose kids developed autism immediately after receiving this vaccine.
I believe in vaccines. Just don't want to do them all at the same time. It's more expemsive, but I'd rather spread them out to make it safer. It just seemed wrong to do something I knew was likely to make my kid sick. I just can't understand why they won't make separate vacs available when I ask for them.
The key phrase here is: "the information available to the casual internet user......."
Therein lies the problem with the internet.
My intention was to point out how readily available numerous testimonials are from parents whose children became disabled immediately following the MMR vaccine. It can't all be coincidence. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Nita - 2017-04-20 10:01 PM
Bear - 2017-04-20 7:42 AM
Nita - 2017-04-19 11:26 PM
I have a hard time believing that, in this day and age, the medical community can't figure out how to detect autism and if there is a risk for an individual child taking the MMR vaccine. Of course, they would have to first admit that there is a connection.
They should at least make the separate vaccines available, I know there is a demand for it.
I understand that the companies have done studies where thousands of children show no ill effects so they conclude that the vacs don't cause autism. But, the information available to the casual internet user is pretty compelling. It's seems hard to deny that it DOES effect SOME kids. The manufacturers seem to be ignoring the evidence, though and that makes me not trust them.
The theory l've read that made the most sense to me was that, yes, these kids were most likely going to have autism anyway. But, the MMR vaccine caused an earlier onset and more severe case of it. There are just too many parents whose kids developed autism immediately after receiving this vaccine.
I believe in vaccines. Just don't want to do them all at the same time. It's more expemsive, but I'd rather spread them out to make it safer. It just seemed wrong to do something I knew was likely to make my kid sick. I just can't understand why they won't make separate vacs available when I ask for them.
The key phrase here is: "the information available to the casual internet user......."
Therein lies the problem with the internet.
My intention was to point out how readily available numerous testimonials are from parents whose children became disabled immediately following the MMR vaccine. It can't all be coincidence.
Too bad we can't line up testimonials of the people whose lives have been saved by the MMR vaccine, wouldn't you say? Did that ever cross your mind? Think about it. | |
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Location: north dakota | I have 7 kids. All of them have had all of their vaccinations. I can't remember when the last antibiotic has been prescribed to my family.
I also have not had an antibiotic for a cold since I was 13 for sterp. | |
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Location: north dakota | Bear - 2017-04-20 10:24 PM
Nita - 2017-04-20 10:01 PM
Bear - 2017-04-20 7:42 AM
Nita - 2017-04-19 11:26 PM
I have a hard time believing that, in this day and age, the medical community can't figure out how to detect autism and if there is a risk for an individual child taking the MMR vaccine. Of course, they would have to first admit that there is a connection.
They should at least make the separate vaccines available, I know there is a demand for it.
I understand that the companies have done studies where thousands of children show no ill effects so they conclude that the vacs don't cause autism. But, the information available to the casual internet user is pretty compelling. It's seems hard to deny that it DOES effect SOME kids. The manufacturers seem to be ignoring the evidence, though and that makes me not trust them.
The theory l've read that made the most sense to me was that, yes, these kids were most likely going to have autism anyway. But, the MMR vaccine caused an earlier onset and more severe case of it. There are just too many parents whose kids developed autism immediately after receiving this vaccine.
I believe in vaccines. Just don't want to do them all at the same time. It's more expemsive, but I'd rather spread them out to make it safer. It just seemed wrong to do something I knew was likely to make my kid sick. I just can't understand why they won't make separate vacs available when I ask for them.
The key phrase here is: "the information available to the casual internet user......."
Therein lies the problem with the internet.
My intention was to point out how readily available numerous testimonials are from parents whose children became disabled immediately following the MMR vaccine. It can't all be coincidence.
Too bad we can't line up testimonials of the people whose lives have been saved by the MMR vaccine, wouldn't you say? Did that ever cross your mind? Think about it.
For whatever reason my immunity for the rubella does not last. I need to booster it every 10 years or so | |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Bnparlay - 2017-04-20 6:55 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2017-04-20 6:30 PM
I have'nt read all the replys, but my two boys are grown men with their own children, both my boys got their vaccines that was required when they both were born up untill they reached school age I did all their vaccines by the book and not either one of them had any problems, they are very healthy young men, my oldest is going to be 36 next month and my youngest is 27. Here in Texas they have to have their vaccines befor entering school..
The recommended vaccines were way less back than. I think only 24 or so now it's 72 or 74. Why do they keep upping the doses of the same shots over and over again?
It's science, it's just like anything in life, we have discovered scientifically and medically how to make more vaccines for diseases that could never be prevented before. HPV, shingles, different flu strands etc. that's why there's mor vaccines now then there were 30 years ago.
My mom is an infectious disease specialist and I can't tell you how many amazing new drugs are helping people with series fatal diseases live a long healthy life!!!! There are cures for Hep C, new anti viral HIV drugs, people aren't suffering or dieing anymore- look at Magic Johnson (my moms old office treated him) he is still alive and well.
Cancer treatments have come a long way, new treatments where cells fight cells instead of chemo has worked for some patients.
Not all things that medical professionals do are bad people! I believe a lot of cancers and diseases thrive from the things we put in our bodies, the processed foods we eat and sugars. But that's another totally different subject.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Bear - 2017-04-20 10:24 PM
Nita - 2017-04-20 10:01 PM
Bear - 2017-04-20 7:42 AM
Nita - 2017-04-19 11:26 PM
I have a hard time believing that, in this day and age, the medical community can't figure out how to detect autism and if there is a risk for an individual child taking the MMR vaccine. Of course, they would have to first admit that there is a connection.
They should at least make the separate vaccines available, I know there is a demand for it.
I understand that the companies have done studies where thousands of children show no ill effects so they conclude that the vacs don't cause autism. But, the information available to the casual internet user is pretty compelling. It's seems hard to deny that it DOES effect SOME kids. The manufacturers seem to be ignoring the evidence, though and that makes me not trust them.
The theory l've read that made the most sense to me was that, yes, these kids were most likely going to have autism anyway. But, the MMR vaccine caused an earlier onset and more severe case of it. There are just too many parents whose kids developed autism immediately after receiving this vaccine.
I believe in vaccines. Just don't want to do them all at the same time. It's more expemsive, but I'd rather spread them out to make it safer. It just seemed wrong to do something I knew was likely to make my kid sick. I just can't understand why they won't make separate vacs available when I ask for them.
The key phrase here is: "the information available to the casual internet user......."
Therein lies the problem with the internet.
My intention was to point out how readily available numerous testimonials are from parents whose children became disabled immediately following the MMR vaccine. It can't all be coincidence.
Too bad we can't line up testimonials of the people whose lives have been saved by the MMR vaccine, wouldn't you say? Did that ever cross your mind? Think about it.
Did that cross my mind? Yes. And, I agree that vaccines are important and save lives. I never denied that. It seems like large pharmaceutical companies are ignoring the massive damage it likely causes to a small number because, well, because it's a small number of people. Because it's good for a large number of people doesn't mean those families affected should be ignored. I just believe there is so much more to that. It can't be coincidence. I think the pharmaceutical companies could do more to identify who is at risk for damage from that vaccine. The damage it causes to some is terrible, and I think avoidable.
I completely agree with you that vaccines are important and save lives.
I completely disagree that, since it's good for the herd, we should just line our kids up to get what they say when they say. If even one kid is damaged by that, there must be a better way. The medical community should put more effort into what's good for each individual while reaching the goal of protecting the herd. | |
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