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Location: The best kept secret in TX | This is interesting.
Just googled the rider.
Hmmmmm
http://equnews.com/region/bernhard-maier-i-know-it-was-a-disturbing-round-still-were-making-progress-in-our-training/ |
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Location: Missouri | I agree the horse had issues that day. He was fighting the rider every stride. Was he in a mood? Was he sore? Who knows. As far as the rider goes, you don't get to that level by being a poor rider. Everyone on here as been unseated before. It happens. The horse was a mess that day, the rider made an attempt to continue the course under a bad situation. I feel a ban is uncalled for. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Tbred - 2017-06-27 3:48 PM I agree the horse had issues that day. He was fighting the rider every stride. Was he in a mood? Was he sore? Who knows. As far as the rider goes, you don't get to that level by being a poor rider. Everyone on here as been unseated before. It happens. The horse was a mess that day, the rider made an attempt to continue the course under a bad situation. I feel a ban is uncalled for. I believe the Federation stated that after the first jump was destroyed he should have pulled up. Then they state that he should have pulled up after the first refusal since he had been barreling thorough multiple jumps.
His argument is that the judges should have stopped him if they believed he needed too. He says they are attacking him personally and publicly and that a ban was not called for.
10 bucks says he takes them to court.  Not arguing with your opinion at all, just stating what each side is saying about it all. This also happened weeks ago. Haven't been able to find much else on the outcome. The link I posted has the riders statement and the horse's story.
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By reading this and watching the video of another competition, I think he looks like he balances on the reins, and when the horse lands, he almost takes a dive over his head. But, again, I am not familiar with jumpers and could be way off here.
It sounds like to me, that he has health issues and should not have been on such a strong horse that day. If he is bringing the horse back as he says he is, I think he showed poor judgement in going in the ring on that day. But I am not educated at all about jumpers. I would like to hear what people who do ride jumpers think.  |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | GLP - 2017-06-27 4:04 PM By reading this and watching the video of another competition, I think he looks like he balances on the reins, and when the horse lands, he almost takes a dive over his head. But, again, I am not familiar with jumpers and could be way off here. It sounds like to me, that he has health issues and should not have been on such a strong horse that day. If he is bringing the horse back as he says he is, I think he showed poor judgement in going in the ring on that day. But I am not educated at all about jumpers. I would like to hear what people who do ride jumpers think.
This was my take on everything as well GLP.
Maybe the Federation is doing him a favor? Almost like they are forcing him to consider retire from showing or at the least improve his habits? |
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| IRunOnFaith - 2017-06-27 4:09 PM
GLP - 2017-06-27 4:04 PM By reading this and watching the video of another competition, I think he looks like he balances on the reins, and when the horse lands, he almost takes a dive over his head. But, again, I am not familiar with jumpers and could be way off here. It sounds like to me, that he has health issues and should not have been on such a strong horse that day. If he is bringing the horse back as he says he is, I think he showed poor judgement in going in the ring on that day. But I am not educated at all about jumpers. I would like to hear what people who do ride jumpers think.
Maybe the Federation is doing him a favor? Almost like they are forcing him to consider retire from showing or at the least improve his habits?
Yeah, after reading about what happened to him, I am not sure he is not in denial about his health. It is hard to realize you are not the rider you were before an accident, no matter what kind of accident you are in. I feel bad for him, that must have been a heck of a beating he took, and kudos to him for riding again and wanting to help his daughter, but on THIS day, he should not have rode that horse. It may have set back all the good he may have done for that horse up to that point.
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| I rode jumpers my last year of competing against the big dogs... to be honest, I probably would have pulled up my horse after that first crash... you aren't going to be advancing after a rail down anyway unless every one else gets 4 faults as well.. but this wasn't just a knock of a top rail on the oxer... he pretty much plowed thru the whole thing... that would have ruined me mentally and most likely razzled the horses mind too...horses at this level don't like to touch the rails let alone have their rider miss his distance and horse had no choice but to jump, he needed 1 more stride there, imo ... his distance was waaaaay off and he looked ****y even before he started the course. I don't think the rider should be banned over this though... it was a horrible round, yes, but I didn't see outright abuse... rider was just he!! bent on finishing his round. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | want2chase3 - 2017-06-27 4:19 PM
I rode jumpers my last year of competing against the big dogs... to be honest, I probably would have pulled up my horse after that first crash... you aren't going to be advancing after a rail down anyway unless every one else gets 4 faults as well.. but this wasn't just a knock of a top rail on the oxer... he pretty much plowed thru the whole thing... that would have ruined me mentally and most likely razzled the horses mind too...horses at this level don't like to touch the rails let alone have their rider miss his distance and horse had no choice but to jump, he needed 1 more stride there, imo ... his distance was waaaaay off and he looked ****y even before he started the course. I don't think the rider should be banned over this though... it was a horrible round, yes, but I didn't see outright abuse... rider was just he!! bent on finishing his round.
He was only banned three months. Not forever.
I believe the Federation was saying the same as you did: He should have pulled up his horse before the elimination was forced. |
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Well there you go...He was a great horse when he was in Ireland and was sold to someone in the US and they made a hot mess out of him and he's trying to get him back. I think he better get someone else on him to tune him up as it isn't going so well with him riding him..LOL
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| Lucylouwon - 2017-06-27 2:18 PM
I'll be the odd one out on this. I see a horse with a disrespectful attitude. It's not that the sucker can't jump, he's too busy fighting with his rider to even focus on jumping. No sympathy here, I just see a horse that looks like an argumentative brat. I've ridden a couple with that same attitude, no vet work needed (trust me I checked) just a sorry attitude, on "welfare" as Uncle Ed would say.
The horse is over 10 years old and has been jumping for years with many different riders. Google him on you tube. Good horses don't just stop working. There has to be something wrong. Horses don't intentionally do things out of spite like people do. I blame a bad rider or a sore horse... |
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| Even in the early videos of this horse, he is MISERABLE jumping. Different riders make him look like an easier ride, but honestly I think this is a horse that hates his job, as has hated it for years.
The hanging off his face and not following the forwards motion over fences with a soft hand is a last ditch effort to get the horse to actually jump, and not just plow through a fence. If you've got a horse with a really nasty stop, or that simply runs through fences, sometimes you can get them over the top by sheer mechanics, (keeping head up and LEG ON) but it's never pretty, borderline dangerous, and if you have to do it more than a couple times you really need to rethink a horse's career. |
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Location: Phoenix | hannahbug - 2017-06-27 5:22 PM Even in the early videos of this horse, he is MISERABLE jumping. Different riders make him look like an easier ride, but honestly I think this is a horse that hates his job, as has hated it for years. The hanging off his face and not following the forwards motion over fences with a soft hand is a last ditch effort to get the horse to actually jump, and not just plow through a fence. If you've got a horse with a really nasty stop, or that simply runs through fences, sometimes you can get them over the top by sheer mechanics, (keeping head up and LEG ON) but it's never pretty, borderline dangerous, and if you have to do it more than a couple times you really need to rethink a horse's career.
I completely agree. Even in the earlier videos he looks miserable. At the point in the video where he slams on the brakes I was like "yup, he hates his f*cking job". Poor guy. And the rider showed poor horsemanship by not pulling up at the first refusal but every single god****ed refusal after that!
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | There is a video with him jumping the horse at an earlier time. I'll see if I can find it as my computer froze up before I could copy the link. You could see the problems beginning. Sad all around. |
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Location: North Dakota | There is either something physically wrong with that horse or he is completely out of his comfort zone training/physical ability wise. Or both. They were absolutely right to ban that rider. I've rarely seen such a blatant disregard for the welfare of the horse and basic equitation in competition. |
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| If they banned barrel racers for bad runs, there would be no more left! 
I agree I would have pulled up after the first crash but I don't think a 3-month ban is necessary.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | All of these are very interesting points of view.
Griz: Wouldn't it be nice if the person in the warm up arena that's going the opposite direction, plowing through people while running could be banned for a bit? LOL!!!! I think if we had this rule implemented it would be interesting to say the least. |
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Location: Missouri | IRunOnFaith - 2017-06-27 3:55 PM Tbred - 2017-06-27 3:48 PM I agree the horse had issues that day. He was fighting the rider every stride. Was he in a mood? Was he sore? Who knows. As far as the rider goes, you don't get to that level by being a poor rider. Everyone on here as been unseated before. It happens. The horse was a mess that day, the rider made an attempt to continue the course under a bad situation. I feel a ban is uncalled for. I believe the Federation stated that after the first jump was destroyed he should have pulled up. Then they state that he should have pulled up after the first refusal since he had been barreling thorough multiple jumps.
His argument is that the judges should have stopped him if they believed he needed too. He says they are attacking him personally and publicly and that a ban was not called for.
10 bucks says he takes them to court. Not arguing with your opinion at all, just stating what each side is saying about it all. This also happened weeks ago. Haven't been able to find much else on the outcome. The link I posted has the riders statement and the horse's story.
I kinda agree he should have pulled out. Maybe the horse had been refusing alot lately and he was ****ed and determined to MAKE him do it. But, like a blown pattern in a barrel race, you exit the arena. It's no time for "exhibition" and making them do it right.
Oh well, only the horse and rider know what was truely going on. |
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| I guess I find it a bit dramatic to call it disturbing. It wasn't pretty that is for sure but I think the horse got frazzled after the first jump. By continuing, I don't think the horse is abused but I don't think it was productive. If you watch other jumpers, a lot of them are heavy in the bit and they look like they're wrestling them the whole time. I think a ban is excessive. He clearly patted the horse at the end, I don't think there was malicious intent. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | stayceem - 2017-06-28 10:15 AM I guess I find it a bit dramatic to call it disturbing. It wasn't pretty that is for sure but I think the horse got frazzled after the first jump. By continuing, I don't think the horse is abused but I don't think it was productive. If you watch other jumpers, a lot of them are heavy in the bit and they look like they're wrestling them the whole time. I think a ban is excessive. He clearly patted the horse at the end, I don't think there was malicious intent.
I noticed the pat too. Thought it was odd after the horse was so naughty. 
Some articles have called it disturbing but in the english world different wording is used to describe a lot of things.
I myself wouldn't say it was disturbing to watch. Disgraceful, and painful is what I would use to describe it lol |
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| stayceem - 2017-06-28 10:15 AM
I guess I find it a bit dramatic to call it disturbing. It wasn't pretty that is for sure but I think the horse got frazzled after the first jump. By continuing, I don't think the horse is abused but I don't think it was productive. If you watch other jumpers, a lot of them are heavy in the bit and they look like they're wrestling them the whole time. I think a ban is excessive. He clearly patted the horse at the end, I don't think there was malicious intent.
You do wrestle them and you have to place them right where you need to be, they are big, strong athletes... I took me forever to adjust to not keeping one "in the bridle" the trainer I started working with after my jumping career would only let me ride his horses in a light hackamore lol! Now I'm very light handed but I'm constantly staying aware of it! |
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