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I just talked to the dealer a few min ago, and he has 4 or 5 that might work. The problem is that none of them have barrel/gymkhana experience. Two are cutting bred 1/2 brothers, 15yo and 16yo. Haven't had a hard life. Pretty much haven't been ridden in years and they hopped on them yesterday and today and said they haven't forgotten a thing.
The other is a 12 yo QH gelding that is pretty catty, but again, has never seen the pattern.
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| Firemanswife - 2017-08-02 2:51 PM
Curious. What is hot house?
It's a term for over feeding and bulking up young horses beyond what they should. Usually for halter shows. They will also trim their feet to be as straight as possible. Ends up messing up their legs.
The term hot house is used mostly for growing produce. Ever seen hot house tomatoes? Really huge and they grew quite fast. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | emricmacy - 2017-08-02 2:53 PM VT! I just talked to the dealer a few min ago, and he has 4 or 5 that might work. The problem is that none of them have barrel/gymkhana experience. Two are cutting bred 1/2 brothers, 15yo and 16yo. Haven't had a hard life. Pretty much haven't been ridden in years and they hopped on them yesterday and today and said they haven't forgotten a thing. The other is a 12 yo QH gelding that is pretty catty, but again, has never seen the pattern. Prices range from $2,800 to $4,000.
I would look into pricing training for these horses... They may have never seen a pattern before but from experence if one follows their nose very well, they are sure to take to barrels very easily. | |
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I know a lot of the horse dealers/traders in my area and some are much better than others. | |
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Location: Canada | My question is how far away from this dealer are you? If your local it's worth going to try them a couple of times. If you're hours away these horses are essentially older trail horses which I'm sure you can find something comparable locally.
It depends on what your budget is. If you have a smaller budget finding a great trail horse (something that been out and about to various locations), is willing to work, and has a good disposition makes for a nice project horse that you can either send to a barrel trainer for 30 days, or work on yourself.
If you have a larger budget you would be better off to look for an older finished barrel horse that will babysit you through a pattern and that you can go and have some immediate fun on without having to put in the work to teach it the pattern. | |
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| My budget is around 4k, and there is nothing around my area..I've been looking for months.
There is a mare that I've seen online that is about 4 hrs from me, an older lady owns her, she has competed some with her, but is not ridden regularly. She runs a 29-30 second pattern now..can do poles, etc, but has not asked for any speed, as she said she has 7 horses and can't ride them all, so she's not in consistent work.
This is my first barrel horse, and I was hoping for something that would teach me (to a certain extent), but I don't have that kind of budget.
This dealer I've been talking about is 6 hrs away.
I feel frustrated, a lot of the ones around my area/price range are still green, and I don't know much about barrel racing, even though I will take lessons, etc.
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| I would have thought you could get an older horse that would be ideal for teaching a new person in this discipline. However, the reputation of the dealer is key - check multiple sources and try to talk to individuals that have bought from this person. Be sure they stand behind their sale, whether they are just representing or own the horse. Also, if they say they will take a horse back in trade, it usually means they will ask another couple thousand or so plus the horse. A reputable dealer will also know the horse they are representing - know habits, skill level, etc. Few dealers go to that extent however. Always do a vet check for lameness and potential drugging.
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| SloRide - 2017-08-02 8:27 AM
I have found dealers and owner sellers to be equally dishonest. Buying a new horse is a risk because you have zero history of that horse regardless where you buy from unless you are buying from someone you know personally. The only horses I have found to be exactly what the seller said they were are horses owned by friends.
I was horse shopping early this year. Every person misrepresented the horses they were selling. Every single person. One horse looked like she had a mild case of ring bone. I told the seller she had a hitch in her step and a rough lump on her pastern. She says "oh she just walks that way and she is 11 years old and probably just bumped herself at some point".
Another private seller says the horse is sound. I go out the and the horse is terribly pigeon toed. Can't even go in a circle without tripping over herself. Lady says "oh she got a bad trim. A good farrier will fix that" . I laughed out loud. Told her the horse was probably hot housed as a weanling when they were showing her in halter. She is ruined.
Another gelding I tried almost flipped over in me.
Those were just a few of the horses I looked at. And I probably looked at 20.
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| I guess I just feel SO lost..If I were still riding english, I would know what I'm doing, looking for, etc..but western is new to me.
Do I find something that has never seen the pattern, but in my price range? But then I don't know how to train them in barrels.. Do I buy an older horse that has been there, done that?
There is not much around my area..
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Location: sunny california | emricmacy - 2017-08-02 12:53 PM VT! I just talked to the dealer a few min ago, and he has 4 or 5 that might work. The problem is that none of them have barrel/gymkhana experience. Two are cutting bred 1/2 brothers, 15yo and 16yo. Haven't had a hard life. Pretty much haven't been ridden in years and they hopped on them yesterday and today and said they haven't forgotten a thing. The other is a 12 yo QH gelding that is pretty catty, but again, has never seen the pattern. Prices range from $2,800 to $4,000.
I would go and look. A broke sound and sane horse is worth is weight in gold. the pattern is no big deal and it might be a blessing that they have not been screwed up. I f you can ride some and are not a closed minded know it all, then you can be running a nice horse long before you find exactly what you want. Take the horse to a trainer and take lessons and perhaps let the trainer ride it a couple times so they can give you pointers/ instructions on how to bring him along. I think most problems on the pattern are a result of starting a horse on the pattern that is not broke right. another area is not managing thier mind properly ( not knowing when to back off), the trainer should be able to help there. Try and find a horse that is forgiving and treat him right. | |
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| Thank you! I am VERY open minded, and can't wait to take lessons! I know nothing about barrel racing, but I can't wait to learn. I just thought since I don't know anything about barrel racing, and if the horse doesn't either, we will be a mess and never get anywhere. I'm 27, and it's been 7 years since I've ridden consistently (sad, I know, but life has gotten in the way). But, I'm super motivated. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Do you go to the local barrel races and watch? Maybe you can meet someone there that runs and trains and they could help you out on finding something for a new beginner to barrels. I would stay away form the dealers/traders, find someone at your local barrel races that you can learn from and maybe take lessons from and then start your search for a beginner barrel horse after getting a few lessons. Do you have a horse/horses now? | |
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| There are 3 good farms that teach lessons around me. One is about 45 min away one way, she's a great rider, teaches clinic, barrel racing lessons. That's a bit of a haul for me.
The other is at a ranch that hosts rodeo's every Sat night. She is supposedly a tough trainer, but as far as I know specializes in teaching barrel racing lessons.
The third is a lady that my DH and I took lessons with for a few months 2 years ago. I did not care for her teaching style. First off, I'm not a fan of group lessons, and there were about 9 people in our lesson, and I feel like I was just a number, and after months of lessons, she still didn't know my name..I didn't feel comfortable.
I do not have a horse now. When I rode dressage, I owned a beautiful hanoverian gelding, and an off the track TB mare. I have never owned a "western" horse..
The lady that is at the ranch that offers lessons, they are a "dealer", pretty well known, and they have horses for sale that they buy from out west monthly. They also have a guarantee..so I'm wondering if I can start taking lessons on one of their horses, and then maybe they would have something that would suit my needs? | |
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| emricmacy - 2017-08-03 10:35 AM
There are 3 good farms that teach lessons around me. One is about 45 min away one way, she's a great rider, teaches clinic, barrel racing lessons. That's a bit of a haul for me.
The other is at a ranch that hosts rodeo's every Sat night. She is supposedly a tough trainer, but as far as I know specializes in teaching barrel racing lessons.
The third is a lady that my DH and I took lessons with for a few months 2 years ago. I did not care for her teaching style. First off, I'm not a fan of group lessons, and there were about 9 people in our lesson, and I feel like I was just a number, and after months of lessons, she still didn't know my name..I didn't feel comfortable.
I do not have a horse now. When I rode dressage, I owned a beautiful hanoverian gelding, and an off the track TB mare. I have never owned a "western" horse..
The lady that is at the ranch that offers lessons, they are a "dealer", pretty well known, and they have horses for sale that they buy from out west monthly. They also have a guarantee..so I'm wondering if I can start taking lessons on one of their horses, and then maybe they would have something that would suit my needs?
I think that sounds like a good plan. It'll give you time to learn before making the investment, get to know the people; how they operate their place, etc...you can learn a lot by just observing people. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | emricmacy - 2017-08-03 10:35 AM There are 3 good farms that teach lessons around me. One is about 45 min away one way, she's a great rider, teaches clinic, barrel racing lessons. That's a bit of a haul for me. The other is at a ranch that hosts rodeo's every Sat night. She is supposedly a tough trainer, but as far as I know specializes in teaching barrel racing lessons. The third is a lady that my DH and I took lessons with for a few months 2 years ago. I did not care for her teaching style. First off, I'm not a fan of group lessons, and there were about 9 people in our lesson, and I feel like I was just a number, and after months of lessons, she still didn't know my name..I didn't feel comfortable. I do not have a horse now. When I rode dressage, I owned a beautiful hanoverian gelding, and an off the track TB mare. I have never owned a "western" horse.. The lady that is at the ranch that offers lessons, they are a "dealer", pretty well known, and they have horses for sale that they buy from out west monthly. They also have a guarantee..so I'm wondering if I can start taking lessons on one of their horses, and then maybe they would have something that would suit my needs?
Thats were I would start at is with the lady at the ranch that gives lessons, I would take lessons with her and maybe she could match you up with a horse that you could take lessons on and if this horse that your taking lessons on is a good match for you then buy it if its what your wanting. This way you could get to know the horse befor buying it, then you will know if its the one are not. Call her and talk to her about taking lessons on the horses she has for sale to see how they would suit you. Then you would get to know her too  | |
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Location: sunny california | Southtxponygirl - 2017-08-03 8:52 AM emricmacy - 2017-08-03 10:35 AM There are 3 good farms that teach lessons around me. One is about 45 min away one way, she's a great rider, teaches clinic, barrel racing lessons. That's a bit of a haul for me. The other is at a ranch that hosts rodeo's every Sat night. She is supposedly a tough trainer, but as far as I know specializes in teaching barrel racing lessons. The third is a lady that my DH and I took lessons with for a few months 2 years ago. I did not care for her teaching style. First off, I'm not a fan of group lessons, and there were about 9 people in our lesson, and I feel like I was just a number, and after months of lessons, she still didn't know my name..I didn't feel comfortable. I do not have a horse now. When I rode dressage, I owned a beautiful hanoverian gelding, and an off the track TB mare. I have never owned a "western" horse.. The lady that is at the ranch that offers lessons, they are a "dealer", pretty well known, and they have horses for sale that they buy from out west monthly. They also have a guarantee..so I'm wondering if I can start taking lessons on one of their horses, and then maybe they would have something that would suit my needs? Thats were I would start at is with the lady at the ranch that gives lessons, I would take lessons with her and maybe she could match you up with a horse that you could take lessons on and if this horse that your taking lessons on is a good match for you then buy it if its what your wanting. This way you could get to know the horse befor buying it, then you will know if its the one are not. Call her and talk to her about taking lessons on the horses she has for sale to see how they would suit you. Then you would get to know her too
that sounds like a good plan | |
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| Thanks for the advice! I will be calling on my lunch break today!
It's a bit strange..the lady at the ranch that I will be calling today is sister's with the lady that my DH and I took lessons with 2 years ago. The lady I'm going to call is considered to be at the "ranch" and the sister is at the "stable". They are 100% connected, but they are about 5-10 min away from each other in the same town.
I had confidence when I rode english, now I feel like I'm starting from zero again (which I am to an extent), but I'm ok with that. My DH bought me a nice pair of Roper boots, that are SO light! | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kwanatha - 2017-08-03 10:57 AM Southtxponygirl - 2017-08-03 8:52 AM emricmacy - 2017-08-03 10:35 AM There are 3 good farms that teach lessons around me. One is about 45 min away one way, she's a great rider, teaches clinic, barrel racing lessons. That's a bit of a haul for me. The other is at a ranch that hosts rodeo's every Sat night. She is supposedly a tough trainer, but as far as I know specializes in teaching barrel racing lessons. The third is a lady that my DH and I took lessons with for a few months 2 years ago. I did not care for her teaching style. First off, I'm not a fan of group lessons, and there were about 9 people in our lesson, and I feel like I was just a number, and after months of lessons, she still didn't know my name..I didn't feel comfortable. I do not have a horse now. When I rode dressage, I owned a beautiful hanoverian gelding, and an off the track TB mare. I have never owned a "western" horse.. The lady that is at the ranch that offers lessons, they are a "dealer", pretty well known, and they have horses for sale that they buy from out west monthly. They also have a guarantee..so I'm wondering if I can start taking lessons on one of their horses, and then maybe they would have something that would suit my needs? Thats were I would start at is with the lady at the ranch that gives lessons, I would take lessons with her and maybe she could match you up with a horse that you could take lessons on and if this horse that your taking lessons on is a good match for you then buy it if its what your wanting. This way you could get to know the horse befor buying it, then you will know if its the one are not. Call her and talk to her about taking lessons on the horses she has for sale to see how they would suit you. Then you would get to know her too
Thank you, , I was thinking if shes got the choice to take lessons from the lady that sells these horses that would help her out a whole lot in the long run instead of just buying and then later the horse was not a good match. This way she can get to know the dealer and the horse all at the same time over a period of getting lessons. | |
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