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| They are saying that the Brazos River flooding will be an 800 year record. Somehow I don't think anyone quite expected that. As far as national news, the WEATHER CHANNEL has been covering this well. Some really heart wrenching stories. Prayers for ALL of you. |
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| streakysox - 2017-08-28 3:11 PM They are saying that the Brazos River flooding will be an 800 year record. Somehow I don't think anyone quite expected that. As far as national news, the WEATHER CHANNEL has been covering this well. Some really heart wrenching stories. Prayers for ALL of you.
It is expected to flood many miles outside its banks. I know one neighborhood that all its schools are going to be underwater. Neighborhoods that are being flooded now because of the release from reservoirs will be underwater for months. Last minute shelters are being set up for these new flood victims. They have no food or supplies, grocery store shelves are empty, no gas. Hospitals only have food thru Tuesday, many tried to evacuate once the true severity was known but could not because of the flooded roads. |
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| TrailGirl - 2017-08-28 10:11 AM Some had at least the means to move their belongings to an upper floor etc...and didn't. Yes...some can't leave or don't have means...but many are just foolish. I feel for those who do not have means to go or take their things to high ground...but when every news channel and weather channel is saying "Catastrophic" flooding is coming...why would you not take every precaution you can? And I will never understand folks deciding to drive into water. I get if the water comes up fast and catches you...but to deliberately drive into it?
Now people driving into high water, I am right there with you. Two days into the storm- so you have to assume they know flooding is happening, our local channel kept a weather cam up and as they were reporting a little Toyota drives right into high water and finally stopped when water reached the windows. I will never understand. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 3:35 PM
TrailGirl - 2017-08-28 10:11 AM Some had at least the means to move their belongings to an upper floor etc...and didn't. Yes...some can't leave or don't have means...but many are just foolish. I feel for those who do not have means to go or take their things to high ground...but when every news channel and weather channel is saying "Catastrophic" flooding is coming...why would you not take every precaution you can? And I will never understand folks deciding to drive into water. I get if the water comes up fast and catches you...but to deliberately drive into it?
 Now people driving into high water, I am right there with you.  Two days into the storm- so you have to assume they know flooding is happening, our local channel kept a weather cam up and as they were reporting a little Toyota drives right into high water and finally stopped when water reached the windows.  I will never understand.
Instead of evaluating what people should or should not have done why don't you lift them up in prayer? They need that more. I have a frantic mom who is holding together pretty darn well today since has not heard from her son and daughter in law. We know they have been rescued but haven't heard from them. A lot of prayer needed. |
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      Location: Arkansas | rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 1:42 PM
 As someone who is going through the flood these posts irritate me.  I have no idea what the national news is reporting as my TV has  been on the local channels for up to date reporting.  Yes, there are those who live in flood prone areas who know to evacuate and the majority of those did but you still have the few who refuse to leave and then need help.  The majority of what you are seeing are neighborhoods that were told if you  have not flooded before stay where you are.  That quickly changed and people who were following the recommendations of authorities were caught off guard.  Â
Until you've been there, you have no idea. . . When we flooded in 16, places that had never flooded in recorded history, flooded. We could almost watch the water rise by the minute. My parents and Chandler and friends fought for 2 days to keep the water out of the house---on the third day it topped the poly pipe and so they had to give up and watch it come in. One of my horses went from fetlock deep at 12 pm one day to almost over his back by 10 am the next day. Please just know that I'm sure no one stayed thinking "wow I hope I get flooded in and have to have people risk their lives to come get me." All I can say is pray God you never ever have to be in their shoes to make that gut wrenching call to go or stay. . . .
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| streakysox - 2017-08-28 6:52 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 3:35 PM TrailGirl - 2017-08-28 10:11 AM Some had at least the means to move their belongings to an upper floor etc...and didn't. Yes...some can't leave or don't have means...but many are just foolish. I feel for those who do not have means to go or take their things to high ground...but when every news channel and weather channel is saying "Catastrophic" flooding is coming...why would you not take every precaution you can? And I will never understand folks deciding to drive into water. I get if the water comes up fast and catches you...but to deliberately drive into it? Now people driving into high water, I am right there with you. Two days into the storm- so you have to assume they know flooding is happening, our local channel kept a weather cam up and as they were reporting a little Toyota drives right into high water and finally stopped when water reached the windows. I will never understand. Instead of evaluating what people should or should not have done why don't you lift them up in prayer? They need that more. I have a frantic mom who is holding together pretty darn well today since has not heard from her son and daughter in law. We know they have been rescued but haven't heard from them. A lot of prayer needed.
Believe me, I have been doing more praying then ever. Those who drive into high water after repeated pleas and warnings just add to exhausted first responders already overwhelming job. |
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       Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 7:06 PM
streakysox - 2017-08-28 6:52 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 3:35 PM TrailGirl - 2017-08-28 10:11 AM Some had at least the means to move their belongings to an upper floor etc...and didn't. Yes...some can't leave or don't have means...but many are just foolish. I feel for those who do not have means to go or take their things to high ground...but when every news channel and weather channel is saying "Catastrophic" flooding is coming...why would you not take every precaution you can? And I will never understand folks deciding to drive into water. I get if the water comes up fast and catches you...but to deliberately drive into it? Â Now people driving into high water, I am right there with you. Â Two days into the storm- so you have to assume they know flooding is happening, our local channel kept a weather cam up and as they were reporting a little Toyota drives right into high water and finally stopped when water reached the windows. Â I will never understand. Instead of evaluating what people should or should not have done why don't you lift them up in prayer? They need that more. I have a frantic mom who is holding together pretty darn well today since has not heard from her son and daughter in law. We know they have been rescued but haven't heard from them. A lot of prayer needed.
 Believe me, I have been doing more praying then ever.  Those who drive into high water after repeated pleas and warnings just add to exhausted first responders already overwhelming job.Â
They are the ones I don't understand. That and the video of the people trying to catch the catfish in their living room?! I have many friends down there and the amount of water is unfathomable at this point. The weather channel has been heartbreaking today to say the least, I can't imagine what it would feel like to watch my life get swallowed up in a wave of water. It's easy to say what we would have done, I'm guilty of doing it- but I don't think that's something you can predict until you're in that situation. I wish there were more I could do to help. We had friends go down with their boat today to help first responders and one of our clients went yesterday with his boat to get his grandparents out. They were in a home they had lived in for 50+ years and it had never come close to flooding. The media told us that this would be bad, but I don't think ANYONE could have predicted THIS! Southeast Texas needs our prayers more than our judgement, and as stated I've been guilty of it too. I just don't think anyone had a clue it would get this rough. |
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      Location: Arkansas | Ashley Lynn - 2017-08-28 9:28 PM
rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 7:06 PM
streakysox - 2017-08-28 6:52 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 3:35 PM TrailGirl - 2017-08-28 10:11 AM Some had at least the means to move their belongings to an upper floor etc...and didn't. Yes...some can't leave or don't have means...but many are just foolish. I feel for those who do not have means to go or take their things to high ground...but when every news channel and weather channel is saying "Catastrophic" flooding is coming...why would you not take every precaution you can? And I will never understand folks deciding to drive into water. I get if the water comes up fast and catches you...but to deliberately drive into it? Â Now people driving into high water, I am right there with you. Â Two days into the storm- so you have to assume they know flooding is happening, our local channel kept a weather cam up and as they were reporting a little Toyota drives right into high water and finally stopped when water reached the windows. Â I will never understand. Instead of evaluating what people should or should not have done why don't you lift them up in prayer? They need that more. I have a frantic mom who is holding together pretty darn well today since has not heard from her son and daughter in law. We know they have been rescued but haven't heard from them. A lot of prayer needed.
 Believe me, I have been doing more praying then ever.  Those who drive into high water after repeated pleas and warnings just add to exhausted first responders already overwhelming job.Â
They are the ones I don't understand. That and the video of the people trying to catch the catfish in their living room?! I have many friends down there and the amount of water is unfathomable at this point. The weather channel has been heartbreaking today to say the least, I can't imagine what it would feel like to watch my life get swallowed up in a wave of water. It's easy to say what we would have done, I'm guilty of doing it- but I don't think that's something you can predict until you're in that situation. I wish there were more I could do to help. We had friends go down with their boat today to help first responders and one of our clients went yesterday with his boat to get his grandparents out. They were in a home they had lived in for 50+ years and it had never come close to flooding. The media told us that this would be bad, but I don't think ANYONE could have predicted THIS! Southeast Texas needs our prayers more than our judgement, and as stated I've been guilty of it too. I just don't think anyone had a clue it would get this rough.
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| Chandler's Mom - 2017-08-28 10:52 PM Ashley Lynn - 2017-08-28 9:28 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 7:06 PM streakysox - 2017-08-28 6:52 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-08-28 3:35 PM TrailGirl - 2017-08-28 10:11 AM Some had at least the means to move their belongings to an upper floor etc...and didn't. Yes...some can't leave or don't have means...but many are just foolish. I feel for those who do not have means to go or take their things to high ground...but when every news channel and weather channel is saying "Catastrophic" flooding is coming...why would you not take every precaution you can? And I will never understand folks deciding to drive into water. I get if the water comes up fast and catches you...but to deliberately drive into it? Now people driving into high water, I am right there with you. Two days into the storm- so you have to assume they know flooding is happening, our local channel kept a weather cam up and as they were reporting a little Toyota drives right into high water and finally stopped when water reached the windows. I will never understand. Instead of evaluating what people should or should not have done why don't you lift them up in prayer? They need that more. I have a frantic mom who is holding together pretty darn well today since has not heard from her son and daughter in law. We know they have been rescued but haven't heard from them. A lot of prayer needed. Believe me, I have been doing more praying then ever. Those who drive into high water after repeated pleas and warnings just add to exhausted first responders already overwhelming job. They are the ones I don't understand. That and the video of the people trying to catch the catfish in their living room?! I have many friends down there and the amount of water is unfathomable at this point. The weather channel has been heartbreaking today to say the least, I can't imagine what it would feel like to watch my life get swallowed up in a wave of water. It's easy to say what we would have done, I'm guilty of doing it- but I don't think that's something you can predict until you're in that situation. I wish there were more I could do to help. We had friends go down with their boat today to help first responders and one of our clients went yesterday with his boat to get his grandparents out. They were in a home they had lived in for 50+ years and it had never come close to flooding. The media told us that this would be bad, but I don't think ANYONE could have predicted THIS! Southeast Texas needs our prayers more than our judgement, and as stated I've been guilty of it too. I just don't think anyone had a clue it would get this rough. Very classy response. . . Yes, I can not tell you the number of videos posted on FB that all start with "in the generations that my family has lived here we have never seen anything like this." In the week leading up to this, news was giving percentages of what a "500 year flood meant for you" .02 chance if you have never been flooded etc. This morning they said they are going to have rewrite or completely do away with these terms 100-500-800 year flood. An example where someone could say why did they wait: a very high dollar English equestrian center posted updates throughout the storm, " horses are fine, we have never flooded, we are not in danger of flooding, holding a little water, we are land locked but horses are high and dry there is nothing to worry about, for miles around our area has never flooded, to 8 hours later asking for boats to swim the horses out. They did get all 40 horses out.
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If you take a map of Houston and look at LOOP 610 ...
see if this works ..
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Houston,+TX/Galveston,+Texas/@29.728...
The south side of the loop (Astro Dome side around to the upper
NE corner is where the poorest people live and then follow I-45 to Galveston and Texas city is where the flood waters always go.
The west side of loop 610 at SW freeway now I-69 to I-10 is considered SW Houston and then up to the north side west of I-45 is considered NW Houston
where the land is higher and all the new housing and shopping centers have been built.
In the SW AND NW areas they concreted the bayous and the run off
is very swift ... as all this water even on a normal heavy rain hits
Buffalo Bayou that runs right beside downtown and then heads
south to follow I-45 to Galveston ... they never cleared or enlarged
Buffalo Bayou of trees or increased the depth to handle the
fast moving waters from SW AND NW Houston ...this time it spreads out
and backs up and floods areas that have never flooded before ..
Tree huggers wanted parks and bike/walking trails built to be
used when Buffalo Bayou is at a trickle .. so it keeps flooding.
Poor people do not have the money nor the credit cards to
jump up every time the weather people do their drama weather
reports and nothing happens ...
I don't care where you live you
know their forecasts are crazy .... here in Okla everytime a cloud
shows up ... it has a tornado in it.
As you know the weather tv people are joked about how they
keep a job when they are wrong 97% of the time.
It is kinda like dealing with auto correct ... grrrrr
There are 2.3 million people in Houston proper and when you
look at the number being rescued it is a small per centage ..
The main thing is they ARE BEING RESCUED by good red blooded
Americans and President Trump and the Texas governor Abbot are on
top of it with aid and help ready and waiting on the water to recede ..
The only thing the Houston Mayor is concerned about is if
the transgender restrooms in the parks got damaged ..
It is definitely going to be a mess and I think the right people
have plans of getting back to semi normal as quickly as possible.
I hope someone has their eyes on the insurance companies they
have been very deceitful in the past on flooded areas!! and of
course if you don't have the federal flood insurance you are
up the creek without a paddle ...
The other money grabbers are the big companies that took over the
clean up after Katrina ... hauled all the money off and disappeared.
PRAYERS AND THE BLESSINGS OF GOD is all I have to offer...
and a contribution to the SALVATION ARMY who uses every
penny they receive for that disaster ....
Where the RED CROSS does not ... they ended up with millions
in the bank after Katrina but got all the good hype from the
news media .... so think about who you contribute to in order
for the flood victims to ever see the help they need!!
AMEN...
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         Location: North Dakota | All I can say is no matter what some of these victims should have/could have done differently, I've only seen people coming together and helping each other and helping the animals affected. I haven't seen anyone looting and raping, I haven't seen anyone b!tching for the government to fix everything. It's nice to see people coming together in the wake of such a catastrophe. |
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       Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Stop judging people. Sometimes we make mistakes or miscalculations because we are human. Even the people driving into water you don't know their circumstances. You do crazy things when family or loved ones are in trouble. I have ran a stop sign and a red light while getting my horses and pets out. My brain is just too full for lack of anything else to explain. I'm so worried about the days to come I can't concentrate on anything too long. And I got my animals out several days before it started but I've been through it before very recently . Some have never experienced this. |
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       Location: TEXAS | BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-08-29 7:05 AM If you take a map of Houston and look at LOOP 610 ... see if this works .. https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Houston,+TX/Galveston,+Texas/@29.728... The south side of the loop (Astro Dome side around to the upper NE corner is where the poorest people live and then follow I-45 to Galveston and Texas city is where the flood waters always go. The west side of loop 610 at SW freeway now I-69 to I-10 is considered SW Houston and then up to the north side west of I-45 is considered NW Houston where the land is higher and all the new housing and shopping centers have been built. In the SW AND NW areas they concreted the bayous and the run off is very swift ... as all this water even on a normal heavy rain hits Buffalo Bayou that runs right beside downtown and then heads south to follow I-45 to Galveston ... they never cleared or enlarged Buffalo Bayou of trees or increased the depth to handle the fast moving waters from SW AND NW Houston ...this time it spreads out and backs up and floods areas that have never flooded before .. Tree huggers wanted parks and bike/walking trails built to be used when Buffalo Bayou is at a trickle .. so it keeps flooding. Poor people do not have the money nor the credit cards to jump up every time the weather people do their drama weather reports and nothing happens ... I don't care where you live you know their forecasts are crazy .... here in Okla everytime a cloud shows up ... it has a tornado in it. As you know the weather tv people are joked about how they keep a job when they are wrong 97% of the time. It is kinda like dealing with auto correct ... grrrrr There are 2.3 million people in Houston proper and when you look at the number being rescued it is a small per centage .. The main thing is they ARE BEING RESCUED by good red blooded Americans and President Trump and the Texas governor Abbot are on top of it with aid and help ready and waiting on the water to recede .. The only thing the Houston Mayor is concerned about is if the transgender restrooms in the parks got damaged .. It is definitely going to be a mess and I think the right people have plans of getting back to semi normal as quickly as possible. I hope someone has their eyes on the insurance companies they have been very deceitful in the past on flooded areas!! and of course if you don't have the federal flood insurance you are up the creek without a paddle ... The other money grabbers are the big companies that took over the clean up after Katrina ... hauled all the money off and disappeared. PRAYERS AND THE BLESSINGS OF GOD is all I have to offer... and a contribution to the SALVATION ARMY who uses every penny they receive for that disaster .... Where the RED CROSS does not ... they ended up with millions in the bank after Katrina but got all the good hype from the news media .... so think about who you contribute to in order for the flood victims to ever see the help they need!! AMEN...
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       Location: South Central Florida | I have been praying for them all. Someone who comes from Florida, I can honestly say no one knows what to do. The storms change directions constantly and no one predicted it would get "stuck" between two other systems and drop constant water on the same area. We have evacuated, and we have also stayed. It depends on so many things. I'm not sure I understand the Not being able to evacuate Houston, Florida has evacuated multipal times and NO place is more difficult to evacuate...basically 2 main roads from the bottom to the top, and only one way to go, North. At least with Houston They could go inland or North, yes horrible traffic, but at least off the coast. I don't blame the people though. No one expected this much flooding. I'll keep praying for those in difficult situations. Hey, another question, someone mentioned the electricity and water issue. Here in Florida the power companies SHUT OFF the power in most bad areas as soon as there are lines down. Hasn't the power company cut off electricity to the major flooded areas? I know its hot and inconvienent, but electrical deaths would be a main concern. |
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| A series of slow-moving rivers, called bayous, provide natural drainage for the area. To account for the certainty of flooding, Houston has built drainage channels, sewers, outfalls, on- and off-road ditches, and detention ponds to hold or move water away from local areas. When they fill, the roadways provide overrun. The dramatic images from Houston that show wide, interstate freeways transformed into rivers look like the cause of the disaster, but they are also its solution, if not an ideal one. This is also why evacuating Houston, a metropolitan area of 6.5 million people, would have been a terrible idea. This is a city run by cars, and sending its residents to sit in gridlock on the thoroughfares and freeways designed to become rivers during flooding would have doomed them to death by water. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2017-08-30 7:17 AM
 A series of slow-moving rivers, called bayous, provide natural drainage for the area. To account for the certainty of flooding, Houston has built drainage channels, sewers, outfalls, on- and off-road ditches, and detention ponds to hold or move water away from local areas. When they fill, the roadways provide overrun. The dramatic images from Houston that show wide, interstate freeways transformed into rivers look like the cause of the disaster, but they are also its solution, if not an ideal one. This is also why evacuating Houston, a metropolitan area of 6.5 million people, would have been a terrible idea. This is a city run by cars, and sending its residents to sit in gridlock on the thoroughfares and freeways designed to become rivers during flooding would have doomed them to death by water.
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| Evacuating Houston is a nightmare. I know someone that was stranded in houston during Rita. They thought they were going to die there and some people did.
But they might consider coming up with a plan for an ordered evacuation where they tell people closest to the areas expecting severe weather/damage to evac first and then the next closest set of people and so on and so forth. But a big problem with that is control. You really can't tell people when and where they evacuate to. Also, you have people coming up from the south as well. This I do not understand. Why are people going through Houston to evacuate? Worst possible thing you can do when a storm is going up the coast line. Told my mother to go north west, she didn't and is now stuck in Beaumont.
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| SloRide - 2017-08-30 10:17 AM Evacuating Houston is a nightmare. I know someone that was stranded in houston during Rita. They thought they were going to die there and some people did. But they might consider coming up with a plan for an ordered evacuation where they tell people closest to the areas expecting severe weather/damage to evac first and then the next closest set of people and so on and so forth. But a big problem with that is control. You really can't tell people when and where they evacuate to. Also, you have people coming up from the south as well. This I do not understand. Why are people going through Houston to evacuate? Worst possible thing you can do when a storm is going up the coast line. Told my mother to go north west, she didn't and is now stuck in Beaumont.
it is just not feasible or realistic. To evacuate the number of people you are talking about, even with a graduated controlled evacuation, you would have to start a week before the storm got here to safely move people without clogging up the highways. I don't know many who can afford to lose that work income and would agree to leave. |
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     Location: In The Land of Cotton | SloRide - 2017-08-30 11:17 AM Evacuating Houston is a nightmare. I know someone that was stranded in houston during Rita. They thought they were going to die there and some people did. But they might consider coming up with a plan for an ordered evacuation where they tell people closest to the areas expecting severe weather/damage to evac first and then the next closest set of people and so on and so forth. But a big problem with that is control. You really can't tell people when and where they evacuate to. Also, you have people coming up from the south as well. This I do not understand. Why are people going through Houston to evacuate? Worst possible thing you can do when a storm is going up the coast line. Told my mother to go north west, she didn't and is now stuck in Beaumont.
People won't leave usually because of jobs, animals, money issues etc.
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| rodeomom3 - 2017-08-30 10:35 AM
SloRide - 2017-08-30 10:17 AM Evacuating Houston is a nightmare. I know someone that was stranded in houston during Rita. They thought they were going to die there and some people did. But they might consider coming up with a plan for an ordered evacuation where they tell people closest to the areas expecting severe weather/damage to evac first and then the next closest set of people and so on and so forth. But a big problem with that is control. You really can't tell people when and where they evacuate to. Also, you have people coming up from the south as well. This I do not understand. Why are people going through Houston to evacuate? Worst possible thing you can do when a storm is going up the coast line. Told my mother to go north west, she didn't and is now stuck in Beaumont.
it is just not feasible or realistic. Â To evacuate the number of people you are talking about, even with a graduated controlled evacuation, you would have to start a week before the storm got here to safely move people without clogging up the highways. Â I don't know many who can afford to lose that work income and would agree to leave.Â
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