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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ktbeasleyze - 2017-09-20 12:34 PM So a lady down the road from us wants me dead now.....apparently her best three halter show mares have foals by our racebred stud....DNA proves it. Somehow back in March when I went away for a clinic for a few weeks they snuck over here and got bred through the fence. The owner had them bred to foal in early Feb to a top Halter stud so DNA was done and my boy is the sire.... She is extremely ****ed and wants me to take the foals off her hands because she swears they will be useless to her....so now I have three foals all fillies that have a very uncertain future. The mares are the following, (Playgirls Conclusion x Sugar bars), (Clu Heir x Coolest), (Impressive x Sierra Te) If there is any chance these babies have a future in some kind of performance event or something please let me know!!! P.S. The stallion is (Corona Cartel x Takin On The Cash)
I'll take a Sugar Bars bred horse anyday of the week, I bet this one is going to be a sharp looking girl. Would love to see her.  |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Sugar Bars is my favorite!
So to clarify, the foals are registered? And you will get a bill of "sale" when she hands them over in case she comes back to say you owe her money? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I just can't figure out why or how mares are ever ran against a stallion. I don't care what kind of fence. Stallions ruin themselves pacing if it is hot and if pipe or wire how in hades do you keep them from breaking something or getting vut up.Sounds like it is her fault if he was penned. Strange to me that all 3 came in heat, were bred and no sign of gates left open or fences torn down. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | IRunOnFaith - 2017-09-20 4:12 PM Sugar Bars is my favorite!
So to clarify, the foals are registered? And you will get a bill of "sale" when she hands them over in case she comes back to say you owe her money?
^^^^THIS ....... Sugar Bars is one of my favorites too and, over the years, I have seen MANY Impressive bred colts do well in the "performance" arena! However, I would not take them as "unregistered" ..... JMO ! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2017-09-20 4:19 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-09-20 4:12 PM Sugar Bars is my favorite!
So to clarify, the foals are registered? And you will get a bill of "sale" when she hands them over in case she comes back to say you owe her money? ^^^^THIS ....... Sugar Bars is one of my favorites too and, over the years, I have seen MANY Impressive bred colts do well in the "performance" arena! However, I would not take them as "unregistered" ..... JMO !
AND this too ^^^^^^^^^^^^ I would not buy without papers. Is the lady going to have them registered.. And I like the Impressive horses had one and he was a smart fella, got talked out of him by a roper friend of mine and was a made into a head horse.. Regretted every day that I sold him. :( |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I just dont belive that your stud bred them threw a fence all at the same time without getting hurt, just dont make any since to me. I thought I read that they were bred all ready? Was your fence messed up any where, what type of fencing do you have? It just dont add up and how far apart are these fillys birth date? And why does this lady not have better fencing to make sure her mares are safe? I would be really ???ing her over all this. But I want to know how bad was your fencing messed up over all this, I cant believe the stud was not hurt, I would be the one really MAD..
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| Did your neighbor breed her mares to her own stud? Since you live so close the only other thing I can think of is maybe an address mix up but I am not entirely sure if that is even possible. Like maybe wrong stud name listed to wrong DNA sample or something. Maybe it's a stretch.
My uncles stud got out one time and came over to our house. All heII broke loose, fences were damaged, mares were bred and there were minor injuries. Hard thing to miss.
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| A friend had a mare and stallion on the walker and she got bred. They did not know and it surprised the heck out of them. They can do it anywhere. I do find it odd that there were three of them. Check the pedigree for PERKS ADVANTAGE. He has won more than his share of money running Barrels. DNA doesn't lie but I would get proof from her or AQHA. How would she know your stallion's name? She would have to have it. You can't match it to any stallion it has to be a specific horse |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | My first thought was that the stud got loose some how, or jumped the fence, and whoever was taking care of your place got him back, put him in his pen and never said a word. I, too, find it hard to believe some stuff wasn't damaged.
e.t.a. She certainly knew that her neighbor had a stud and was probably guilty of turning three mares in heat loose right next to a stud. Which was dumb. But, still... he didn't damage anything breeding three mares through a fence?!?! Just sounds suspicious and I'd be questioning whoever it was that was taking care of your place at the time.
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Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | This all sounds SUPER fishy.... Id be wanting to see vet papers to confirm this DNA test. If her mares got out its HER problem. but you dont really sound too concerned about it. I personal wouldnt want another 3 mouths to feed but thats just me. Or the fact that shes blaming this ON YOU! If you decide to take the foals good luck, but dang id be figuring something out so this doesnt happen again. It just dont add up to me |
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| your telling me that 3 mares all in heat at same time got out went to you place found your stallion bred one day all settled and had fillies. i would do dna myself. fishy fishy fishy |
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Location: South Dakota | Make lemonade out of a lemon situation....they very likely will turn out to be great horses, if given a chance with the right people... |
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Location: In the back forty | Years ago there was a very famous TB winner on the track and it turns out a nice non-TB mare (registered in another breed association) turned up giving birth to a baby boy (which could not be registered due to no breeders certificate) but which was gorgeous. It was claimed, I think, that while the owners' of each of the horses involved (stud and mare) were neither one aware of the breeding at the time it occured--that supposedly the stallion manager was away for a short time--"someone, as a joke, let the mare in heat in with the stallion!"...these things happen, and more often than you think. All this to say that maybe someone other than the mares' owner let the mares in with the stallion, for whatever reason, while the owners were away from home. I saw a stallion at a place we were carrying a mare to be bred jump (or try to jump an 8' fence--he crawled over the top pipe-railing, landed on the ground, jumped up and bred the mare (the mare was supposedly already bred and settled by a totally different stud); weird things can happen. Think your stallion's fillies will be pretty nice in any case
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Ohiobarrelracer - 2017-09-21 7:52 AM This all sounds SUPER fishy.... Id be wanting to see vet papers to confirm this DNA test. If her mares got out its HER problem. but you dont really sound too concerned about it. I personal wouldnt want another 3 mouths to feed but thats just me. Or the fact that shes blaming this ON YOU! If you decide to take the foals good luck, but dang id be figuring something out so this doesnt happen again. It just dont add up to me
I agree.....the more I go back and re-read her posts, something just doesn't ADD UP ....... |
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Location: California | I LOVEEEEE halter/running cross bred horses. I have two and am obsessed with them. Built beautifully, long legged, muscled up, pretty heads, and they can both fly. Both were the easiest horses I have ever started and trained. I bought the second one with the race/halter cross lines because of the first one I bough purely based on conformation. I would definitely get proof of DNA and get them 5 panel tested but I think you may end up with some awesome young ones if the mares are actually quality. I will take one if you don't want them all!!! haha. Like another poster said - take the lemons and make lemonade. Sounds almost too good to be true for you in all honesty... she isn't asking for a ton of money or anything to compensate? (didn't read all the other posts) |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Southtxponygirl - 2017-09-20 4:49 PM I just dont belive that your stud bred them threw a fence all at the same time without getting hurt, just dont make any since to me. I thought I read that they were bred all ready? Was your fence messed up any where, what type of fencing do you have? It just dont add up and how far apart are these fillys birth date? And why does this lady not have better fencing to make sure her mares are safe? I would be really ???ing her over all this. But I want to know how bad was your fencing messed up over all this, I cant believe the stud was not hurt, I would be the one really MAD..
All of this^^^ My exact thoughts^^^
I have a neighbor with a Friesian Stallion, unproven, but to her he hung the moon. He is loose on 100 acres with mares... We used to share a fence. After a run in, my fence now has hot wire attached to the top and middle of the fence. My mare can't even get close enough to touch noses. |
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Location: Fort Worth / Springtown | horsegirl - 2017-09-20 1:11 PM
Now, I have a history showing pleasure and halter, but I'd love a cross like that! I'm a stickler for conformation, so that is like my dream cross. As with any other cross (even on running x running crosses), you'll have to find out if the resulting foal(s) have the heart for speed events. And the breeding of the 3 mares does sound nice! I realize I will be the odd man out in this scenario, however.
I'm with you -- I would not mind those at all.
Sierra Te, Impressive, Sugar Bars
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I think the whole deal is a load of crap personally.
If you decide to take them, have them tested. Definitely register them. If they end up n/n, you can hope, I see absolutely no reason they can't be sold as performance prospects, though you won't make tons on them. Impressive himself is triple bred Three Bars running lines. They should be large and in charge horses, though up in the air on the speed thing. I see no reason why they may not make someone a nice roping horse or even show pony that can run away with the performance halter classes. And if they are not fed like halter horses they probably won't beef up like that quite so much and their joints have a much better chance of lasting too.
Check out Fly the Red Eye. He is a race bred horse that did very well in performance halter. I imagine these fillies would have the same potential. And honestly race breds are not so lacking in muscle that someone looking to just get started in halter might think yours were a bargain to try. They might still make nice halter horses too.
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Location: North Dakota | Now I'll never own a stallion, but this is one of the reasons why I will never share a fence with a neighbor. It will always be a double fence, even if I have a eat up a few feet on my property to do it.
If you want to fight it, I'd hire a lawyer.
Either that or you have 3 free foals, if I am understanding you correctly?
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| Is this the same stallion you posted about earlier this week? " PT Cash Cartel is standing for free this year. For every breeding contract they send out $250 will be sent to hurricane victims? (Copied and pasted from the other post)
I watched the video on YouTube of him. Do you have any others of him? Looks like a nice boy. |
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