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Location: Where the buffalo roam | Love my daughter of Spots Hot. Was a cutting reject and I am shocked at the speed she has. She does have Pa Jones way back on the bottom. She's currently clocking high 17's on a standard and I haven't asked her for full speed yet. Once I really ask her for full speed (she's only 5 and has only been on the pattern a year) I think she will easily be mid to low 17's. I have always preferred a little cow mixed with speed, but this pure cowhorse has been fun. |
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| treasurehunter - 2017-09-23 10:41 PM
I've seen several straight cutting bred barrel
horses that consistently are in the top ten, running at races with numbers of 900 or better horses most of this year. Personally, I don't think that's too shabby.
Where do you live that there are 900 entries in a barrel race. My trainer is always looking for some of the bigger shows to run. She can make more money at those. Our small barrel races around here are usually about 125. Larger ones anywhere from 450 to 650. She just runs at the larger ones and there are not that many in our area. She is willing to haul so let me know and she will be there. |
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| OhMax - 2017-09-23 11:10 AM
Big fan of Dual Rey and Rey Dual - the former is more well known and spendy. Rey Dual is a full brother - I have a son of his who is athletic as all get out. He’s out of a Haidas Little Pep daughter who was a money earner in the cutting as well. In our smaller pens around here he’s shaping up to be formidable. Big pens he gets outrun right now. I would love to cross on a running bred personally and see if we could add a little size and speed but keep the barrel hunting can inhaling abilities.
Krystal runs a Dual Rey son out of a Miss N Cash (Dash for Cash) mare who is also super nice.
Ditto to Dual Rey.
It took me a hot minute to figure out how to stay in the middle of mine, but once we clicked it was worth all of the hard work.
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Nobody - 2017-09-24 6:50 PM Love my daughter of Spots Hot. Was a cutting reject and I am shocked at the speed she has. She does have Pa Jones way back on the bottom. She's currently clocking high 17's on a standard and I haven't asked her for full speed yet. Once I really ask her for full speed (she's only 5 and has only been on the pattern a year) I think she will easily be mid to low 17's. I have always preferred a little cow mixed with speed, but this pure cowhorse has been fun.
I've got a daughter of Metallic Cat out of a Spots Hot mare that's done pretty well this summer. I had never entered a barrel race on her before the Bonus Race Finals in June. She's placed at a few fall futurities and consistently been in the 1D at several of them. Unfortunately I struggle with my timing on her so I've hit some expensive barrels that have cost us some average checks, but she clocks up really well.
As a side note my husband is a mounted shooter. He's a mens Level 6 which is the highest level of competition. He has won quite a bit of money on this mare this year and will also be competing on her in a couple of weeks at the CMSA World Finals. I'd take a pasture full of Metallic Cats. |
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Location: Arkansas | rockinas - 2017-09-24 9:57 PM
Nobody - 2017-09-24 6:50 PM Love my daughter of Spots Hot. Was a cutting reject and I am shocked at the speed she has. She does have Pa Jones way back on the bottom. She's currently clocking high 17's on a standard and I haven't asked her for full speed yet. Once I really ask her for full speed (she's only 5 and has only been on the pattern a year) I think she will easily be mid to low 17's. I have always preferred a little cow mixed with speed, but this pure cowhorse has been fun.
I've got a daughter of Metallic Cat out of a Spots Hot mare that's done pretty well this summer. I had never entered a barrel race on her before the Bonus Race Finals in June. She's placed at a few fall futurities and consistently been in the 1D at several of them.  Unfortunately I struggle with my timing on her so I've hit some expensive barrels that have cost us some average checks, but she clocks up really well.
As a side note my husband is a mounted shooter. He's a mens Level 6 which is the highest level of competition. He has won quite a bit of money on this mare this year and will also be competing on her in a couple of weeks at the CMSA World Finals. I'd take a pasture full of Metallic Cats.Â
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| Chandler's Mom - 2017-09-24 9:19 PM
Blind sided looks really nice too. . . .
I agree, love him too!! |
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| 3canstorun - 2017-09-23 7:19 PM Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 10:47 AM None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses. I guess that is why Lindsey bred Martha to Metallic Cat last year. Plus a few other high dollar barrel horses. Lol.
Babyflos full sister was bred to Metallic Cat also. That foal should be on the ground or maybe a yearling by now. |
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| The WR This Cats Smart horses have size and big motors. I've ridden a few and like them and his stud fee is much more reasonable than many of the others.
If you're looking to go with something Metalic Cat bred, go with a son. There are plenty to choose from, my pick would be Metalic Al. His bone and size stand out against many of the other sons, he's a proven winner, and he's the sweetest most mellow stud. His fist crop are weanlings this year.
Spots Hot is a good choice as well.
Yellow Roan of Texas is another good one. I had a gelding by him years ago who was SO talented. I've also been beat by a few mares by him as well.
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| Meep.Meep - 2017-09-23 2:12 PM Whiteboy - 2017-09-23 9:47 AM None. That is if you are looking for a barrel horse. Cutting horses are amazing horses, but they are meant to be cutting horses. Sorry but I have to strongly disagree with this. All I run is cow/race crosses, and they aint no slouches
That being said - I take another Halreycious gelding any day. Metallic Cat does well crossed on hotter mare too, Metallic Rebel is stout and great bone and GREAT mind...he'd be a great option stud fee wise. Also out of a GREAT mare. And definitely agree on Spot! Theres a super nice Spot gelding winning EVERYTHING in N TX.
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| madredepeanut - 2017-09-24 12:54 AM
wyoming barrel racer - 2017-09-23 6:59 PM
If you looked at all the top 10 in every barrel futurity, I think Whiteboy has a valid point. Race and barrel bred (FG/FWF etc) are going to be in those standings 10 to 1 vs your cutting breds.
Everyone is after the ultimate outcross and there have been some real nice winners, even at the NFR level. But the numbers do not hold a candle to your race/barrel bred horses.
Those with the money and mare power to breed to whatever they want are fine and dandy, but it does not mean they are going to get a barrel burner out of the deal. They just have the money to give it a try and often a mare that just may have the ability to produce it. MCM would be a good cross on Playgun to get a runner I bet. She had all the run in the world.
I have ridden both and I mean daughters/sons of some of the leading sires back in the early 2000's. We wouldn't have chosen but maybe 2 or 3 out of hundreds to come home and work the ranch on.Â
So back to the OP. IF I were to pick something, I would pretty much only go with Playgun or a thick bodied, heavy boned son or a son of Smart Chic Olena that is out of a Colonel Freckles daughter.
I agree with this. I would stick with the Playgun lines, they are well built, good minded and are a bit more heavy duty than most of the "super refined cutting bred horses". Plus no 5 panel issues like with HBC and some of those. Here are two of his sons I like:
PG Dry Fire (Playgun x The Dry Look by Dry Doc ) is very nice. He is a great breakaway horse and has excelled in working cow.
Hired Gun (Playgun x Peppys Serenade by PSB ) is phenomenal. Super catty, quick and a sweetheart.
I think the run/cow cross is the way to go, however the race/barrel cross is really big right now, and there are a lot of winners out there. Personally, I would like to see more of the cow lines bred back into a lot of those horses, as it can get too concentrated with certain stereotypies and genetic issues (and I just think diversity is a good thing in equine genetics! )
We bred our TB mare (Big Brown x Don't Smoke by Smoke Glacken ) to Hired Gun and cannot wait to see the foal this spring. Literal run/cow cross right here 
To be honest .... if you're looking at Playgun sons ...
FIESTAS GOTTA GUN
by Playgun out of Firewater Fiesta ... talk about mare power! He stamps his get with bone, size, substance, ability, brains ... every one I have seen, I have liked. They do well inside and out of the arena.
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| Tdove - 2017-09-25 10:17 AM
I don't think Blind Sided has much speed.
She is crossing on an Easy Jet mare. Some cow on some run, perfect barrel horse. |
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Location: Way up North | I lke Cat Ichi, he seems to put some size and bone on them and they have plenty of speed. I have seen some nice Spots Hot and the Dual Reys have speed too. CD Olena is another. Metallic Cat is pretty spendy to breed to but he's got a couple sons including Sannman that would be an option. I guess my final opinion would be based on your mares disposition and conformation.
To those saying don't because they aren't on the leading sires list, of course they aren't because there aren't enough of them running barrels to be. 200 Frenchmans Guy babies running vs. 3 of a cowbred sire, kind of hard to compare based on those numbers but JMO. At some point we do need viable outcross options which might be why Lindsay did the Metallic Cat cross. |
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| lindseylou2290 - 2017-09-25 8:36 AM
madredepeanut - 2017-09-24 12:54 AM
wyoming barrel racer - 2017-09-23 6:59 PM
If you looked at all the top 10 in every barrel futurity, I think Whiteboy has a valid point. Race and barrel bred (FG/FWF etc) are going to be in those standings 10 to 1 vs your cutting breds.
Everyone is after the ultimate outcross and there have been some real nice winners, even at the NFR level. But the numbers do not hold a candle to your race/barrel bred horses.
Those with the money and mare power to breed to whatever they want are fine and dandy, but it does not mean they are going to get a barrel burner out of the deal. They just have the money to give it a try and often a mare that just may have the ability to produce it. MCM would be a good cross on Playgun to get a runner I bet. She had all the run in the world.
I have ridden both and I mean daughters/sons of some of the leading sires back in the early 2000's. We wouldn't have chosen but maybe 2 or 3 out of hundreds to come home and work the ranch on.Â
So back to the OP. IF I were to pick something, I would pretty much only go with Playgun or a thick bodied, heavy boned son or a son of Smart Chic Olena that is out of a Colonel Freckles daughter.
I agree with this. I would stick with the Playgun lines, they are well built, good minded and are a bit more heavy duty than most of the "super refined cutting bred horses". Plus no 5 panel issues like with HBC and some of those. Here are two of his sons I like:
PG Dry Fire (Playgun x The Dry Look by Dry Doc ) is very nice. He is a great breakaway horse and has excelled in working cow.
Hired Gun (Playgun x Peppys Serenade by PSB ) is phenomenal. Super catty, quick and a sweetheart.
I think the run/cow cross is the way to go, however the race/barrel cross is really big right now, and there are a lot of winners out there. Personally, I would like to see more of the cow lines bred back into a lot of those horses, as it can get too concentrated with certain stereotypies and genetic issues (and I just think diversity is a good thing in equine genetics! )
We bred our TB mare (Big Brown x Don't Smoke by Smoke Glacken ) to Hired Gun and cannot wait to see the foal this spring. Literal run/cow cross right here
To be honest .... if you're looking at Playgun sons ...
FIESTAS GOTTA GUN
by Playgun out of Firewater Fiesta ... talk about mare power! He stamps his get with bone, size, substance, ability, brains ... every one I have seen, I have liked. They do well inside and out of the arena.
YES! I can’t believe I forgot to put him on that list!  We are breeding that same TB mare to him in 2018! He throws super nice babies, and his dam is Firewater Fiesta! |
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Location: United States | Check out Tomcat Chex! I have a 5 yo mare by him and the fist time I entered her in a barrel race she ran less than half second off and won the second go. HUGE engine and exceptional brains. If you want to see her style her video is on his FB page. She is very exciting and I think there are more Tomcats in my future. ETA - He is a son of High Brow Cat and has LTE of 148k with offspring earnings of 73 million
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| I have a Pepto Boonsmall grandson. He has won and placed at the pros and is a 19 second pole horse. So thinking a cutting bred can not be competitive is wrong. |
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