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I am a die-hard Dallas Cowboys (a/k/a "America's Team) fan. I have lived for football season to watch them play for years and years now. I am very interested to see what they will do tonight on Monday Night Football. I hope they will follow suit with their brothers to the South... the Houston Texans. They all stood yesterday.
I would hate to have to follow this up tomorrow and tell you that my ride-or-die team will no longer be watched at my house anymore if they decide to act stupid!!!
If they kneel my whole family will be done and we are all life long fans.
Y'all saw what they did, right?????? Even tho it wasn't during the anthem
I didn't I am on grandma duty with my grandbaby. What did they do?
They all knelt in a line before the anthem and then locked arms in "unity" during the anthem. 
Said they didn't want to take away from the anthem but wanted to show solidarity about unequal treatment. . . . Oh me  | |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Mighty Broke - 2017-09-25 1:33 PM
I am pretty proud to say that my family raised Derek Wolfe of the Broncos.
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I'm actually shocked - proud, that some people quit watching! I could give a rat's A$$ about pro football and this turns me off even MORE. | |
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Location: Kansas | Trump made it clear that his challenge to the NFL had nothing to do with race. It had to do with disrespecting the American flag and our country. Now Hillary on her road to revenge is calling it an attack on black athletes. Will that woman never go away........ | |
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Location: Kansas | luluwhit - 2017-09-25 1:10 PM GOBABYGO - 2017-09-25 11:29 AM
The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the NFL League Rulebook. It states:
“The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition...
...It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”
This is not a first amendment issue but part of the players' NFL employment contract. If the players want to protest, take it outside of the workplace...
The very liberal snopes is wrong. There is a rule.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Frodo - 2017-09-26 7:53 AM luluwhit - 2017-09-25 1:10 PM GOBABYGO - 2017-09-25 11:29 AM
The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the NFL League Rulebook. It states:
“The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.
“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition...
...It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”
This is not a first amendment issue but part of the players' NFL employment contract. If the players want to protest, take it outside of the workplace...
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Location: East Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2017-09-25 9:52 PM
MidWest1452 - 2017-09-25 8:15 PM
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I am a die-hard Dallas Cowboys (a/k/a "America's Team) fan. I have lived for football season to watch them play for years and years now. I am very interested to see what they will do tonight on Monday Night Football. I hope they will follow suit with their brothers to the South... the Houston Texans. They all stood yesterday.
I would hate to have to follow this up tomorrow and tell you that my ride-or-die team will no longer be watched at my house anymore if they decide to act stupid!!!
If they kneel my whole family will be done and we are all life long fans.
Y'all saw what they did, right?????? Even tho it wasn't during the anthem
I didn't I am on grandma duty with my grandbaby. What did they do?
They all knelt in a line before the anthem and then locked arms in "unity" during the anthem.
Said they didn't want to take away from the anthem but wanted to show solidarity about unequal treatment. . . . Oh me
The jury is still out as to what I really thought happened with the Cowboys last night. Why, why, why have we had professional sports for years and years and this is just now becoming an issue? I believe it is all because of people are against the President and are doing everything they can think of to continue to make him look bad. I back President Trump 100%, but sometimes his "tweets" (like the media), keeps everything stirred up. If he would ignore things like this, it wouldn't get near the media coverage that it gets, which makes it worse! I guarantee if you didn't continually feed the beast, it would eventually die off. | |
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| I guess I do not see what the big deal is. I also do not see it as disrespecting the flag or anthem or soliders. They have made it clear what they are protesting and I think it is well within reason. They have a right to free speech, they did not incite violence of any kind. So what if they are getting paid, they still have a right to free expression. Seems to me the real issue is that people only grasp the concept of freedom when it suits them. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | horsesinharleton - 2017-09-26 9:23 AM Chandler's Mom - 2017-09-25 9:52 PM MidWest1452 - 2017-09-25 8:15 PM GLP - 2017-09-25 8:10 PM Chandler's Mom - 2017-09-25 7:34 PM GLP - 2017-09-25 7:19 PM horsesinharleton - 2017-09-25 2:49 PM I am a die-hard Dallas Cowboys (a/k/a "America's Team) fan. I have lived for football season to watch them play for years and years now. I am very interested to see what they will do tonight on Monday Night Football. I hope they will follow suit with their brothers to the South... the Houston Texans. They all stood yesterday. I would hate to have to follow this up tomorrow and tell you that my ride-or-die team will no longer be watched at my house anymore if they decide to act stupid!!! If they kneel my whole family will be done and we are all life long fans. Y'all saw what they did, right?????? Even tho it wasn't during the anthem I didn't I am on grandma duty with my grandbaby. What did they do? They all knelt in a line before the anthem and then locked arms in "unity" during the anthem. Said they didn't want to take away from the anthem but wanted to show solidarity about unequal treatment. . . . Oh me The jury is still out as to what I really thought happened with the Cowboys last night. Why, why, why have we had professional sports for years and years and this is just now becoming an issue? I believe it is all because of people are against the President and are doing everything they can think of to continue to make him look bad. I back President Trump 100%, but sometimes his "tweets" (like the media), keeps everything stirred up. If he would ignore things like this, it wouldn't get near the media coverage that it gets, which makes it worse! I guarantee if you didn't continually feed the beast, it would eventually die off.
^^^ THIS ........ Let me preface this by saying that I do support the right to protest but I, also, agree with Trump, and support the stance that a person, who is an American and proud, SHOULD support the flag and National Anthem. That being said, previously, only a few took a knee and last week ONLY SIX players took a knee. However, once again, Trump has managed to STIR UP tensions with his idiotic foul mouthed rant against the sports teams ....when he SHOULD be using his time and energy taking care of HIS BUSINESS AS PRESIDENT......you know....health care, taxes, budgets, North Korea, etc. etc. etc ........ In the overall scheme of our country's demise, the sports figures "taking a knee" is miniscule compared to the REAL problems that he SHOULD be working on EVERY DAY! | |
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Location: OH | NJJ - 2017-09-26 12:55 PM horsesinharleton - 2017-09-26 9:23 AM Chandler's Mom - 2017-09-25 9:52 PM MidWest1452 - 2017-09-25 8:15 PM GLP - 2017-09-25 8:10 PM Chandler's Mom - 2017-09-25 7:34 PM GLP - 2017-09-25 7:19 PM horsesinharleton - 2017-09-25 2:49 PM I am a die-hard Dallas Cowboys (a/k/a "America's Team) fan. I have lived for football season to watch them play for years and years now. I am very interested to see what they will do tonight on Monday Night Football. I hope they will follow suit with their brothers to the South... the Houston Texans. They all stood yesterday. I would hate to have to follow this up tomorrow and tell you that my ride-or-die team will no longer be watched at my house anymore if they decide to act stupid!!! If they kneel my whole family will be done and we are all life long fans. Y'all saw what they did, right?????? Even tho it wasn't during the anthem I didn't I am on grandma duty with my grandbaby. What did they do? They all knelt in a line before the anthem and then locked arms in "unity" during the anthem. Said they didn't want to take away from the anthem but wanted to show solidarity about unequal treatment. . . . Oh me The jury is still out as to what I really thought happened with the Cowboys last night. Why, why, why have we had professional sports for years and years and this is just now becoming an issue? I believe it is all because of people are against the President and are doing everything they can think of to continue to make him look bad. I back President Trump 100%, but sometimes his "tweets" (like the media), keeps everything stirred up. If he would ignore things like this, it wouldn't get near the media coverage that it gets, which makes it worse! I guarantee if you didn't continually feed the beast, it would eventually die off.
Curious, why do you feel he is not addressing those things also---seems like he is taking N. Korea pretty serious. | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | NJJ - 2017-09-26 9:55 AM
horsesinharleton - 2017-09-26 9:23 AM Chandler's Mom - 2017-09-25 9:52 PM MidWest1452 - 2017-09-25 8:15 PM GLP - 2017-09-25 8:10 PM Chandler's Mom - 2017-09-25 7:34 PM GLP - 2017-09-25 7:19 PM horsesinharleton - 2017-09-25 2:49 PM I am a die-hard Dallas Cowboys (a/k/a "America's Team) fan. I have lived for football season to watch them play for years and years now. I am very interested to see what they will do tonight on Monday Night Football. I hope they will follow suit with their brothers to the South... the Houston Texans. They all stood yesterday. I would hate to have to follow this up tomorrow and tell you that my ride-or-die team will no longer be watched at my house anymore if they decide to act stupid!!! If they kneel my whole family will be done and we are all life long fans. Y'all saw what they did, right?????? Even tho it wasn't during the anthem I didn't I am on grandma duty with my grandbaby. What did they do? They all knelt in a line before the anthem and then locked arms in "unity" during the anthem. Said they didn't want to take away from the anthem but wanted to show solidarity about unequal treatment. . . . Oh me The jury is still out as to what I really thought happened with the Cowboys last night. Why, why, why have we had professional sports for years and years and this is just now becoming an issue? I believe it is all because of people are against the President and are doing everything they can think of to continue to make him look bad. I back President Trump 100%, but sometimes his "tweets" (like the media), keeps everything stirred up. If he would ignore things like this, it wouldn't get near the media coverage that it gets, which makes it worse! I guarantee if you didn't continually feed the beast, it would eventually die off.
He's multi-tasking. He's a talented man. Besides, when did Ovomit ever let an opportunity to to "stir things up" ever pass by without comment. "You didn't build that", "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon' are just a couple of examples of BS said by our former president. Good for the goose, good for the gander. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | OregonBR - 2017-09-26 12:48 PM NJJ - 2017-09-26 9:55 AM horsesinharleton - 2017-09-26 9:23 AM Chandler's Mom - 2017-09-25 9:52 PM MidWest1452 - 2017-09-25 8:15 PM GLP - 2017-09-25 8:10 PM Chandler's Mom - 2017-09-25 7:34 PM GLP - 2017-09-25 7:19 PM horsesinharleton - 2017-09-25 2:49 PM I am a die-hard Dallas Cowboys (a/k/a "America's Team) fan. I have lived for football season to watch them play for years and years now. I am very interested to see what they will do tonight on Monday Night Football. I hope they will follow suit with their brothers to the South... the Houston Texans. They all stood yesterday. I would hate to have to follow this up tomorrow and tell you that my ride-or-die team will no longer be watched at my house anymore if they decide to act stupid!!! If they kneel my whole family will be done and we are all life long fans. Y'all saw what they did, right?????? Even tho it wasn't during the anthem I didn't I am on grandma duty with my grandbaby. What did they do? They all knelt in a line before the anthem and then locked arms in "unity" during the anthem. Said they didn't want to take away from the anthem but wanted to show solidarity about unequal treatment. . . . Oh me The jury is still out as to what I really thought happened with the Cowboys last night. Why, why, why have we had professional sports for years and years and this is just now becoming an issue? I believe it is all because of people are against the President and are doing everything they can think of to continue to make him look bad. I back President Trump 100%, but sometimes his "tweets" (like the media), keeps everything stirred up. If he would ignore things like this, it wouldn't get near the media coverage that it gets, which makes it worse! I guarantee if you didn't continually feed the beast, it would eventually die off. He's multi-tasking. He's a talented man. Besides, when did Ovomit ever let an opportunity to to "stir things up" ever pass by without comment. "You didn't build that", "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon' are just a couple of examples of BS said by our former president. Good for the goose, good for the gander.
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Location: East Texas | Mighty Broke - 2017-09-26 12:06 PM
NJJ - 2017-09-26 12:55 PM horsesinharleton - 2017-09-26 9:23 AM Chandler's Mom - 2017-09-25 9:52 PM MidWest1452 - 2017-09-25 8:15 PM GLP - 2017-09-25 8:10 PM Chandler's Mom - 2017-09-25 7:34 PM GLP - 2017-09-25 7:19 PM horsesinharleton - 2017-09-25 2:49 PM I am a die-hard Dallas Cowboys (a/k/a "America's Team) fan. I have lived for football season to watch them play for years and years now. I am very interested to see what they will do tonight on Monday Night Football. I hope they will follow suit with their brothers to the South... the Houston Texans. They all stood yesterday. I would hate to have to follow this up tomorrow and tell you that my ride-or-die team will no longer be watched at my house anymore if they decide to act stupid!!! If they kneel my whole family will be done and we are all life long fans. Y'all saw what they did, right?????? Even tho it wasn't during the anthem I didn't I am on grandma duty with my grandbaby. What did they do? They all knelt in a line before the anthem and then locked arms in "unity" during the anthem. Said they didn't want to take away from the anthem but wanted to show solidarity about unequal treatment. . . . Oh me The jury is still out as to what I really thought happened with the Cowboys last night. Why, why, why have we had professional sports for years and years and this is just now becoming an issue? I believe it is all because of people are against the President and are doing everything they can think of to continue to make him look bad. I back President Trump 100%, but sometimes his "tweets" (like the media), keeps everything stirred up. If he would ignore things like this, it wouldn't get near the media coverage that it gets, which makes it worse! I guarantee if you didn't continually feed the beast, it would eventually die off.
I believe that he is absolutely trying to address those issues. But I think that by continually giving the media something like the NFL and the standing/kneeling issues to bash him about, all it does is take away from what he is actually trying to accomplish... addressing those issues that you mentioned! If N. Korea continues on the path it is trying to go on, football and all other sports will be the last thing on our minds!
Most professional sports teams are filled with spoiled brats who make mega bucks and are using their time on the field to protest minorities being oppressed and all the while depositing ungodly amounts of money in their bank accounts each day. They should be using their time, talents and money in trying to clean up the real reason there is so much crime in the neighborhoods many of them came from. If they would do that and let the President run our country like he is trying to do... gosh, just imagine how different our country would look!!! It's not gonna happen, but it is nice to dream!
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Location: Kansas | SloRide - 2017-09-26 11:35 AM I guess I do not see what the big deal is. I also do not see it as disrespecting the flag or anthem or soliders. They have made it clear what they are protesting and I think it is well within reason. They have a right to free speech, they did not incite violence of any kind. So what if they are getting paid, they still have a right to free expression. Seems to me the real issue is that people only grasp the concept of freedom when it suits them.
These players are absolutely disrespecting the flag and everything it stands for. If you don't think the flag is important to American soldiers, google the flag raising at Imo Jima.
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| Frodo - 2017-09-26 2:34 PM
SloRide - 2017-09-26 11:35 AM I guess I do not see what the big deal is. I also do not see it as disrespecting the flag or anthem or soliders. They have made it clear what they are protesting and I think it is well within reason. They have a right to free speech, they did not incite violence of any kind. So what if they are getting paid, they still have a right to free expression. Seems to me the real issue is that people only grasp the concept of freedom when it suits them.
These players are absolutely disrespecting the flag and everything it stands for. If you don't think the flag is important to American soldiers, google the flag raising at Imo Jima.
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I think people are blowing the flag thing out of proportion. Now killing people, that deserves attention and that is exactly what these players are trying to do. I don't even like football but I get what they are trying to do and fully support their right to do so. Because, you know, freedom and stuff.
Oh and the presidential twitter rants are priceless. He really has turned out to be a bigger fool than I thought. Honestly, I can't decide if he truly is an idiot or if there is some neurological thing going on.
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Perhaps they should try drawing attention to all of the gang violence and murders going on in the inner cities? maybe actually go and help in those communities?
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| SloRide - 2017-09-26 11:35 AM
I guess I do not see what the big deal is. I also do not see it as disrespecting the flag or anthem or soliders. They have made it clear what they are protesting and I think it is well within reason. They have a right to free speech, they did not incite violence of any kind. So what if they are getting paid, they still have a right to free expression. Seems to me the real issue is that people only grasp the concept of freedom when it suits them.
Frankly I think you should reread the First Amendment. Congress shall make no law. Private Companies can impose limits on speech and actions to any one employed under contract. | |
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| jbhoot - 2017-09-26 6:52 PM
SloRide - 2017-09-26 11:35 AM
I guess I do not see what the big deal is. I also do not see it as disrespecting the flag or anthem or soliders. They have made it clear what they are protesting and I think it is well within reason. They have a right to free speech, they did not incite violence of any kind. So what if they are getting paid, they still have a right to free expression. Seems to me the real issue is that people only grasp the concept of freedom when it suits them.
Frankly I think you should reread the First Amendment. Congress shall make no law. Private Companies can impose limits on speech and actions to any one employed under contract.
Yes, private companies CAN, but in this case they have not. It is the President who is trying to bully these men for exercising their rights of free speech. And the only thing that has done is draw more attention and support. Do you really think these teams will fire their star players or in some cases all or most of their players because a bunch of hypocritical phoney patriots are offended? | |
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Location: Arkansas | SloRide - 2017-09-26 7:31 PM
jbhoot - 2017-09-26 6:52 PM
SloRide - 2017-09-26 11:35 AM
I guess I do not see what the big deal is. I also do not see it as disrespecting the flag or anthem or soliders. They have made it clear what they are protesting and I think it is well within reason. They have a right to free speech, they did not incite violence of any kind. So what if they are getting paid, they still have a right to free expression. Seems to me the real issue is that people only grasp the concept of freedom when it suits them.
Frankly I think you should reread the First Amendment. Congress shall make no law. Private Companies can impose limits on speech and actions to any one employed under contract.
Yes, private companies CAN, but in this case they have not. It is the President who is trying to bully these men for exercising their rights of free speech. And the only thing that has done is draw more attention and support. Do you really think these teams will fire their star players or in some cases all or most of their players because a bunch of hypocritical phoney patriots are offended?
I think that since we are taught from very early to STAND at attention with our hand over heart for the flag, how could you not see it as disrespect when they do the exact opposite? I don't feel like a hypocritical phoney patriot; I just have respect for my country, my flag, and the individuals who have died for them. I realize free speech, etc. Just think as Americans they could find a different time to do it. | |
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