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Location: Tulsa, Ok | 1DSoon - 2017-10-07 7:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattoo
WOW!! Exacty how does advocating for birth control equate with genocide?
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Queen Bean of Ponyland
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Location: WYOMING | Id rather give out free birth control than deal with accidents. Now if they would just use it!
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | geronabean - 2017-10-07 12:32 PM Id rather give out free birth control than deal with accidents. No if they would just use it!
Our schools and human service agencies are overwhelmed with abused, neglected, unwanted and damanged children. No one who has not worked in these areas has a clue about the reality. If a mandate for insurance companies to pay for bc will make even a minute dent in that situation, than I am 100% in favor and have no problem paying my fair share. If that offends anyone's religious sensibilities so be it. I find irresponsible procreation extremely offensive. | |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Vickie - 2017-10-06 8:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Here's an idea, keep your legs closed if you can't afford to raise a child and aren't responsible enough to raise a respectful child. If you can't afford BC, odds are you can't afford a kid, WTH happened to personal responsibility! | |
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Queen Bean of Ponyland
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Location: WYOMING | Barnmom - 2017-10-07 3:23 PM
Vickie - 2017-10-06 8:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
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Here's an idea, keep your legs closed if you can't afford to raise a child and aren't responsible enough to raise a respectful child. If you can't afford BC, odds are you can't afford a kid, WTH happened to personal responsibility!Â
EBT and welfare happened. Nope not everyone abuses it but more do than dont. People will not keep their legs closed, never gonna happen. We will just keep paying for other peoples lack of personal responsibility. We have created that culture. | |
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| geronabean - 2017-10-07 2:30 PM Barnmom - 2017-10-07 3:23 PM Vickie - 2017-10-06 8:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Here's an idea, keep your legs closed if you can't afford to raise a child and aren't responsible enough to raise a respectful child. If you can't afford BC, odds are you can't afford a kid, WTH happened to personal responsibility! EBT and welfare happened. Nope not everyone abuses it but more do than dont. People will not keep their legs closed, never gonna happen. We will just keep paying for other peoples lack of personal responsibility. We have created that culture.
Yes, we have, my niece has adopted through CPS, all the bio moms qualified for free birth control, one had 6 kids removed, the other 4. These are not the kind of people that are going to be responsible. It is available for free for those who qualify but they have to take the steps to get it and use it. Easy access to birth control is great and necessary. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SC Wrangler - 2017-10-07 11:14 AM
1DSoon - 2017-10-07 7:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
 Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattooÂ
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Go back and read Vickie's thread. She was bemoaning over abortion being "restricted". Some of us believe abortion is equivalent to infanticide and infanticide is genocide. Many people consider abortion, or infanticide, as a form of birth control.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2017-10-07 10:35 AM
1DSoon - 2017-10-07 8:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
 Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattooÂ
Work with this day in and day out, year in and year out, seeing the result of negleted, unwanted children and you will get quite jaded too.Â
Teachers ought to be allowed to spank kids who deserve it.
I don't know why spanking became unacceptable.
That first grader who broke the white board over his classmate's head ought to have his ass tanned. I don't think there's anything wrong with spanking. It seems to me that spanking worked for many generations, until it somehow became cruel........and now we have snowflakes. Squealing, shrill, ignorant fools whose primary goal in secondary education is seeking out safe places.
Meanwhile, where do we rank in the world in education? 30th? | |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Bear - 2017-10-08 9:02 AM
SC Wrangler - 2017-10-07 11:14 AM
1DSoon - 2017-10-07 7:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
 Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattooÂ
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Go back and read Vickie's thread. She was bemoaning over abortion being "restricted". Some of us believe abortion is equivalent to infanticide and infanticide is genocide. Many people consider abortion, or infanticide, as a form of birth control.
Does this explanation help?
Maybe you should re-read. I see a simple statement of fact that neither bemoans restriction of or advocates in favor of abortion. But then again I am not looking for a reason to get all self-righteous.
It would appear fairly simple to me that birth control is a front line defense in fight to slow abortion. Of course there will always be those to ignorant or too lazy to use bc and use it correctly. But if free bc stops any unwanted pregnancy I would consider it a win. The cost would be peanuts in the big scheme of things. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 11:53 AM
Bear - 2017-10-08 9:02 AM
SC Wrangler - 2017-10-07 11:14 AM
1DSoon - 2017-10-07 7:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
 Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattooÂ
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Go back and read Vickie's thread. She was bemoaning over abortion being "restricted". Some of us believe abortion is equivalent to infanticide and infanticide is genocide. Many people consider abortion, or infanticide, as a form of birth control.
Does this explanation help?
Maybe you should re-read. I see a simple statement of fact that neither bemoans restriction of or advocates in favor of abortion. But then again I am not looking for a reason to get all self-righteous.
It would appear fairly simple to me that birth control is a front line defense in fight to slow abortion. Of course there will always be those to ignorant or too lazy to use bc and use it correctly. But if free bc stops any unwanted pregnancy I would consider it a win. The cost would be peanuts in the big scheme of things.
I have a more novel idea. It's called personal responsibility and consequences. I don't care if someone wants to use some form of birth control, but they should pay for their own. What's wrong with that?
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Bear - 2017-10-08 12:51 PM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 11:53 AM Bear - 2017-10-08 9:02 AM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-07 11:14 AM 1DSoon - 2017-10-07 7:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattoo
Go back and read Vickie's thread. She was bemoaning over abortion being "restricted". Some of us believe abortion is equivalent to infanticide and infanticide is genocide. Many people consider abortion, or infanticide, as a form of birth control. Does this explanation help? Maybe you should re-read. I see a simple statement of fact that neither bemoans restriction of or advocates in favor of abortion. But then again I am not looking for a reason to get all self-righteous. It would appear fairly simple to me that birth control is a front line defense in fight to slow abortion. Of course there will always be those to ignorant or too lazy to use bc and use it correctly. But if free bc stops any unwanted pregnancy I would consider it a win. The cost would be peanuts in the big scheme of things. I have a more novel idea. It's called personal responsibility and consequences. I don't care if someone wants to use some form of birth control, but they should pay for their own. What's wrong with that?
I would love to live in your black and white world, but alas I also see the gray.
Edited by SC Wrangler 2017-10-08 1:23 PM
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I'm in favor of sterilization.... | |
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| Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
i feel that 2 kids on welfare = spayed | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 1:20 PM
Bear - 2017-10-08 12:51 PM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 11:53 AM Bear - 2017-10-08 9:02 AM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-07 11:14 AM 1DSoon - 2017-10-07 7:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
 Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattooÂ
 Go back and read Vickie's thread. She was bemoaning over abortion being "restricted". Some of us believe abortion is equivalent to infanticide and infanticide is genocide. Many people consider abortion, or infanticide, as a form of birth control. Does this explanation help? Maybe you should re-read. I see a simple statement of fact that neither bemoans restriction of or advocates in favor of abortion. But then again I am not looking for a reason to get all self-righteous. It would appear fairly simple to me that birth control is a front line defense in fight to slow abortion. Of course there will always be those to ignorant or too lazy to use bc and use it correctly. But if free bc stops any unwanted pregnancy I would consider it a win. The cost would be peanuts in the big scheme of things. I have a more novel idea. It's called personal responsibility and consequences. I don't care if someone wants to use some form of birth control, but they should pay for their own. What's wrong with that? Awesome solution Doc, but about as realistic as fairies and unicorns.  Legislate you some of that personal responsibilty and see how it works out.  I am sure it will relieve the need to take care of the helpless and innocent children that being sered by social agencies.  As for consequences, too bad they seem to accrue to the innocents who had no input.   I would love to live in your black and white world, but alas I also see the gray. Â
So, do you think that by offering free birth control and making abortion more readily available we wouldn't see as many out-of-wedlock childbirths? | |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Bear - 2017-10-08 3:23 PM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 1:20 PM Bear - 2017-10-08 12:51 PM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 11:53 AM Bear - 2017-10-08 9:02 AM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-07 11:14 AM 1DSoon - 2017-10-07 7:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattoo
Go back and read Vickie's thread. She was bemoaning over abortion being "restricted". Some of us believe abortion is equivalent to infanticide and infanticide is genocide. Many people consider abortion, or infanticide, as a form of birth control. Does this explanation help? Maybe you should re-read. I see a simple statement of fact that neither bemoans restriction of or advocates in favor of abortion. But then again I am not looking for a reason to get all self-righteous. It would appear fairly simple to me that birth control is a front line defense in fight to slow abortion. Of course there will always be those to ignorant or too lazy to use bc and use it correctly. But if free bc stops any unwanted pregnancy I would consider it a win. The cost would be peanuts in the big scheme of things. I have a more novel idea. It's called personal responsibility and consequences. I don't care if someone wants to use some form of birth control, but they should pay for their own. What's wrong with that? Awesome solution Doc, but about as realistic as fairies and unicorns. Legislate you some of that personal responsibilty and see how it works out. I am sure it will relieve the need to take care of the helpless and innocent children that being sered by social agencies. As for consequences, too bad they seem to accrue to the innocents who had no input.
I would love to live in your black and white world, but alas I also see the gray.
So, do you think that by offering free birth control and making abortion more readily available we wouldn't see as many out-of-wedlock childbirths?
I do not want abortion to be easily, cheaply or readily available. If bc cuts back on any of the unwanted pregnancies, then yep I am all about free and easy. Obviously abstinence is a joke.
Somebody needs to explain to me why anyone would pursue an out-of-wedlock pregnancy. Why a child with someone you would not marry? Marriage is an easly disposable committment. Children on the other hand are a forever deal. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 4:19 PM
Bear - 2017-10-08 3:23 PM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 1:20 PM Bear - 2017-10-08 12:51 PM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-08 11:53 AM Bear - 2017-10-08 9:02 AM SC Wrangler - 2017-10-07 11:14 AM 1DSoon - 2017-10-07 7:10 AM Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
 Genocide much?
I bet you have a Pol Pot tattooÂ
 Go back and read Vickie's thread. She was bemoaning over abortion being "restricted". Some of us believe abortion is equivalent to infanticide and infanticide is genocide. Many people consider abortion, or infanticide, as a form of birth control. Does this explanation help? Maybe you should re-read. I see a simple statement of fact that neither bemoans restriction of or advocates in favor of abortion. But then again I am not looking for a reason to get all self-righteous. It would appear fairly simple to me that birth control is a front line defense in fight to slow abortion. Of course there will always be those to ignorant or too lazy to use bc and use it correctly. But if free bc stops any unwanted pregnancy I would consider it a win. The cost would be peanuts in the big scheme of things. I have a more novel idea. It's called personal responsibility and consequences. I don't care if someone wants to use some form of birth control, but they should pay for their own. What's wrong with that? Awesome solution Doc, but about as realistic as fairies and unicorns.  Legislate you some of that personal responsibilty and see how it works out.  I am sure it will relieve the need to take care of the helpless and innocent children that being sered by social agencies.  As for consequences, too bad they seem to accrue to the innocents who had no input.  Â
I would love to live in your black and white world, but alas I also see the gray.
 So, do you think that by offering free birth control and making abortion more readily available we wouldn't see as many out-of-wedlock childbirths?
Somebody needs to explain to me why anyone would pursue an out-of-wedlock pregnancy. Â Why a child with someone you would not marry? Â Marriage is an easly disposable committment. Â Children on the other hand are a forever deal.Â
Well, oral contraceptives came into vogue in the early 60's, well over 50 years ago. Generally speaking, contraception is cheap. Certainly the cost of contraception is not prohibitive.
Over the past 50 years, the percentage of out-of-wedlock pregnancies has at least tripled. The most grotesque example is seen in the African-American community, where the incidence has gone from about 24% in 1965 to over 70% today. Thus, we have a vicious cycle that continues. Spitting out babies out of wedlock is the rule, not the rare exception of a generation ago. Overall, nearly half of all babies are born out of wedlock in this country today.
Planned Parenthood has made abortion on demand as easy as one stop shopping. In fact, society has deemed abortion to be akin to a badge of honor these days.
No......the problem is not the cost or availability of affordable contraception. I don't buy it...not for a minute. If you believe that, then you have been played as a fool by politicians.
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Location: Florida | Bear, I have to ask, what is your solution? What do you think will help? | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | It's easier to have sex then to study for school and remember to take pills. And more fun too.
Doesn't matter if the pills are free or not.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2017-10-08 6:41 PM
Bear, I have to ask, what is your solution? What do you think will help?
Reasonable question.
In my opinion, the real issue is babies born out of wedlock who are much more likely to live in poverty. There are a lot of solutions involving increased focus on education, etc... I'm not sure they have been all that beneficial, except for the fact that teen pregnancy rates have actually declined, and many have attributed this decline to education programs in schools. The best solution to fight against childhood poverty is: marriage. Now the days of shotgun marriages are long gone, I realize, but I don't think there are enough laws to hold deadbeat dad's feet to the fire. If you father a child, you should be held to account and provide financial support until that child reaches adulthood. We still have rising rates of babies being born out of wedlock, even if teen pregnancy rates have declined some in recent years. That means women in their 30s and 40s are continuing to make babies. They will have to suffer the consequences, but too many baby daddies are simply walking away, with zero consequences. Addressing that is probably the single biggest step that can be taken.
Free birth control is minimally consequential, in my opinion. History tells us this. | |
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Location: Sunnyland Florida | Vickie - 2017-10-06 9:12 PM Men get free Viagra, abortion is being restricted, medicare and well baby care are going away, and now birth control cost so much. Who is going to deal with these unwanted kids? The answer is they are going to be in school with your children, beating them up, hitting the teacher, acting out so your kid can't learn. and then we get to pay for them to be in prison. I think birth control is a better option.
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