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| Was it a fairly easy gelding? The bit of fluid in the pic does not look too concerning (nice and clear anyway)
I had one guy swell really bad but the vet that did him was excessively ruff, the castrator crimper things were not working so instead of dealing calmly he hit my horse with them and screamed at the staff, he bleed excessively, other vet took over and used those surgery player things to stop bleeding. it was a mess. He was SOOOO swollen for a long time. He could hardly walk for days, felt terrible and was pretty "depressed" for about a week.
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Location: MN | della - 2017-10-11 4:53 PM Was it a fairly easy gelding? The bit of fluid in the pic does not look too concerning (nice and clear anyway) I had one guy swell really bad but the vet that did him was excessively ruff, the castrator crimper things were not working so instead of dealing calmly he hit my horse with them and screamed at the staff, he bleed excessively, other vet took over and used those surgery player things to stop bleeding. it was a mess. He was SOOOO swollen for a long time. He could hardly walk for days, felt terrible and was pretty "depressed" for about a week. PS I never saw that vet again, he was let go very shortly after.
Yes, I was told he gelded great. Was very easy.
Aww poor guy. What an awful sounding experience! Id run for the hills too! 
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| With that long of time, I would say they may not have clamped correctly and now he has sealed off and infection is brewing. Had this happen to one of mine, he required emergency surgery and hard core antibiotics. I would suggest taking him to a qualified vet for assessment |
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Location: MN | Current pic as of last night. Looked the same this morning.
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Location: Claremore, OK | Looks like he's got an abcess. I'd go to the vet. |
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| Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-11 6:39 PM
Current pic as of last night. Looked the same this morning.
From this picture I would get him checked out. The surgical area looks a bit angry |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-11 6:39 PM Current pic as of last night. Looked the same this morning.
That dont look right at all to me, I would be hauling him back to the Vet as soon as possible, never seen one do that. Dont wast any time call your vet and get him in.. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-10-12 11:44 AM
Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-11 6:39 PM Current pic as of last night. Looked the same this morning.
That dont look right at all to me, I would be hauling him back to the Vet as soon as possible, never seen one do that. Dont wast any time call your vet and get him in..
Agree with this. Mine had a swollen sheath and some swelling in his abdomen but the actual surgical/incision site never swelled or looked yellow like that. Looks like it closed up. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Meep.Meep - 2017-10-12 11:55 AM Southtxponygirl - 2017-10-12 11:44 AM Kay-DRacing. - 2017-10-11 6:39 PM Current pic as of last night. Looked the same this morning. That dont look right at all to me, I would be hauling him back to the Vet as soon as possible, never seen one do that. Dont wast any time call your vet and get him in.. Agree with this. Mine had a swollen sheath and some swelling in his abdomen but the actual surgical/incision site never swelled or looked yellow like that. Looks like it closed up.
It looks kinda scary to me, by looking at the picture it looks like to me some type of intestine was trying to come threw, I dont think that could be possible but I see different layers of skin.. So that is scary looking so please get him to the Vet ASAP..  |
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Location: MN | Thanks yall. I have a call into my vet. Still waiting to hear back and will keep you posted. In the mean time I ran home and took more pics. It IS draining.
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| Glad it is still draining! Good luck, hopefully it's resolved soon and you can rest easy |
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Location: MN | Thank you! She just gave me a call back. She said the same thing the other vets did (4th vet to tell me). Since he isnt running a fever, she isnt too concerned either. Im sending her these pics to just put my mind at ease. She may change her mind and say she wants to see him. Ill keep you posted! Thank you again for all the positive vibes. |
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| Those pictures look a lot better than the one. Those don't concern me like that one did. |
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Location: MN | Meep.Meep - 2017-10-12 2:45 PM Those pictures look a lot better than the one. Those don't concern me like that one did.
Im wondering if I should just go ahead and give Penicillin for 3 days just as a precaution? The folks I got him from gave him 3 days worth of penicillin due to him feeling a little dumpy before I picked him up. That was about 2 weeks ago. |
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| I was always told that giving penicillin for less than 7 days was a no-no. Should actually give for 10-14 days. I am not big into giving antibiotics unless it is absolutely necessary. If you are afraid he might have an infection I would have a vet come out or haul him in and make sure that he really does need them before giving. But that's just me  |
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Location: MN | Meep.Meep - 2017-10-12 3:22 PM I was always told that giving penicillin for less than 7 days was a no-no. Should actually give for 10-14 days. I am not big into giving antibiotics unless it is absolutely necessary. If you are afraid he might have an infection I would have a vet come out or haul him in and make sure that he really does need them before giving. But that's just me
Its amazing how vets differ across the country lol. The 2 main vets up here say to give no longer than 3-5 days! Crazy  Thanks again for the advice! |
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| Think twice on castrating before a year old!!
At 5 months he has no antibodies in his system due to colostrum
and no contact with other bacteria in that short time of being alive
to have any type of immunity.
At 5 months most are the size of peanuts and easy to make a mistake
when pulling them down to get the "worm" to insure he doesn't
turn out to be proud cut.
As you can see the incision is large for this size of foal and folks the
yellow is a spray disinfectant administered by the vet.
Adult sized hands require a certain amount of working room to
make sure things are being done correctly!!
Appears like the incision remained laid open instead of skin to
skin closure which would be normal in a larger older colt.
You would need a special smaller pair of emasculators on this
size of foal which are really needed to stop the bleeding,
swelling and closing him off for fast healing. IMO none were
used.
He looks much better but I believe in being preventive so I
would do the following ...
Time to be a little aggressive ...
Cold water thumb pressure spray the area for 5 minutes daily ..
Make sure you spray some into his sheath to keep it clean and open
Puff a good amount of caustic powder on the incision area that
appears to be having a problem with proud flesh for a week.
Since this colt has no real immunity to anything ... I would give
him a powdered antibiotic and make sure he eats it or make a
solution and pull it into a syringe to give by mouth like you would
worming. Give him 50% more per dose so any leakage from his
mouth is covered.
If anyone gives him an IM shot make sure you alcohol the injection
site and use a 20 gauge needle.
LAST THING ... make sure he is peeing out his sheath and no leakage
in the incision area ..
ALSO keep in mind his little waggler should be hanging out and not
withdrawn up inside the sheath ... pay attention if he hangs it out
to pee as he heals up. .. which is normal at this age. If not
vet may have cut something that he shouldn't have.
Don't quibble around or short cut my suggestions ...
the cost is less than a burger, fries and coke ... lol
FYI: caustic powder eats the unique to a horse of granulated flesh
that may trap a pool of infection and if allowed to turn into
proud flesh it can take forever to close and will grow a gristle
which creates a knot under the skin after he heals up ...
Now is the time to get to work ..
And next time wait till they are long yearlings or 2 yr olds ..
GOOD LUCK
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-10-12 3:43 PM
Think twice on castrating before a year old!!
At 5 months he has no antibodies in his system due to colostrum
and no contact with other bacteria in that short time of being alive
to have any type of immunity.
At 5 months most are the size of peanuts and easy to make a mistake
when pulling them down to get the "worm" to insure he doesn't
turn out to be proud cut.
As you can see the incision is large for this size of foal and folks the
yellow is a spray disinfectant administered by the vet.
Adult sized hands require a certain amount of working room to
make sure things are being done correctly!!
Appears like the incision remained laid open instead of skin to
skin closure which would be normal in a larger older colt.
You would need a special smaller pair of emasculators on this
size of foal which are really needed to stop the bleeding,
swelling and closing him off for fast healing. IMO none were
used.
He looks much better but I believe in being preventive so I
would do the following ...
Time to be a little aggressive ...
Cold water thumb pressure spray the area for 5 minutes daily ..
Make sure you spray some into his sheath to keep it clean and open
Puff a good amount of caustic powder on the incision area that
appears to be having a problem with proud flesh for a week.
Since this colt has no real immunity to anything ... I would give
him a powdered antibiotic and make sure he eats it or make a
solution and pull it into a syringe to give by mouth like you would
worming. Give him 50% more per dose so any leakage from his
mouth is covered.
If anyone gives him an IM shot make sure you alcohol the injection
site and use a 20 gauge needle.
LAST THING ... make sure he is peeing out his sheath and no leakage
in the incision area ..
Don't quibble around or short cut my suggestions ...
the cost is less than a burger, fries and coke ... lol
FYI: caustic powder eats the unique to a horse of granulated flesh
that may trap a pool of infection and if allowed to turn into
proud flesh it can take forever to close and will grow a gristle
which creates a knot under the skin after he heals up ...
Now is the time to get to work ..
And next time wait till they are long yearlings or 2 yr olds ..
GOOD LUCK
That yellow is most likely tissue, there wouldn't be any "disinfectant spray" 2 1/2 weeks later. Caustic powder would be the last thing I'd throw on there. Pressure hosing wouldn't be recommended, gentle cold water hosing yes (even my vet said NO to any cold water hosing). Powder antibiotic could reek havoc on his tummy at 5 months old, probably recently weaned? Colts his age do have immunity, colostrum helps them develop their healthy immune system, which usually takes over at 3-5 days old. I don't know where you get your "facts" but they often leave me scratching my head. |
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| Meep.Meep - 2017-10-12 3:52 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-10-12 3:43 PM
Think twice on castrating before a year old!!
At 5 months he has no antibodies in his system due to colostrum
and no contact with other bacteria in that short time of being alive
to have any type of immunity.
At 5 months most are the size of peanuts and easy to make a mistake
when pulling them down to get the "worm" to insure he doesn't
turn out to be proud cut.
As you can see the incision is large for this size of foal and folks the
yellow is a spray disinfectant administered by the vet.
Adult sized hands require a certain amount of working room to
make sure things are being done correctly!!
Appears like the incision remained laid open instead of skin to
skin closure which would be normal in a larger older colt.
You would need a special smaller pair of emasculators on this
size of foal which are really needed to stop the bleeding,
swelling and closing him off for fast healing. IMO none were
used.
He looks much better but I believe in being preventive so I
would do the following ...
Time to be a little aggressive ...
Cold water thumb pressure spray the area for 5 minutes daily ..
Make sure you spray some into his sheath to keep it clean and open
Puff a good amount of caustic powder on the incision area that
appears to be having a problem with proud flesh for a week.
Since this colt has no real immunity to anything ... I would give
him a powdered antibiotic and make sure he eats it or make a
solution and pull it into a syringe to give by mouth like you would
worming. Give him 50% more per dose so any leakage from his
mouth is covered.
If anyone gives him an IM shot make sure you alcohol the injection
site and use a 20 gauge needle.
LAST THING ... make sure he is peeing out his sheath and no leakage
in the incision area ..
Don't quibble around or short cut my suggestions ...
the cost is less than a burger, fries and coke ... lol
FYI: caustic powder eats the unique to a horse of granulated flesh
that may trap a pool of infection and if allowed to turn into
proud flesh it can take forever to close and will grow a gristle
which creates a knot under the skin after he heals up ...
Now is the time to get to work ..
And next time wait till they are long yearlings or 2 yr olds ..
GOOD LUCK
That yellow is most likely tissue, there wouldn't be any "disinfectant spray" 2 1/2 weeks later. Caustic powder would be the last thing I'd throw on there. Pressure hosing wouldn't be recommended, gentle cold water hosing yes (even my vet said NO to any cold water hosing ). Powder antibiotic could reek havoc on his tummy at 5 months old, probably recently weaned? Colts his age do have immunity, colostrum helps them develop their healthy immune system, which usually takes over at 3-5 days old. I don't know where you get your "facts" but they often leave me scratching my head.
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Why do you embarrass yourself like this??
Colostrum has essentially lost its affects by 5 months old so it
is imperative not to do anything that requires stress and possibly
an infection site as they gain immunity to everyday bacteria.
Powdered antibiotics are one of the least powerful and widest
ranges you can give to assist his body attack system to
concentrate on the incision area.
Thumb pressure water spraying increases blood flow and massages
the area to help healing.
Look at her 2nd set of photos ... all that yellow stained areas
outside the incision area on hair and skin is what in your opinion??
The yellow at the incision is the same color ....
Whoops left out a comment on caustic powder ... prevents proud flesh
while doctoring a 'cut' with other approved methods regardless
where the 'cut' may be. This happens to be in the darkest and
nastiest part of a horses body and needs 1-2 flushings per day
to keep a bacterial infection in check ..
What would you suggest .. debridement .. and creating a massive
loss of blood and increasing the wound size??
Here is an excellent article to help you out ... the lady vet has a
mile long number of titles and education ...
https://practicalhorsemanmag.com/health-archive/equine-proud-flesh-p...
My experience raising horses for 50 years is my fact book .. lol
Be careful on scratching your head ... bald women very seldom
get asked out on a date ... lol
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