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| rushlvr - 2017-10-12 11:15 AM
Wondering if its actually a numbers thing to keep the clubs going? enrollment is dropping, they have raised their dues, and pass it off as being "forward thinking" but really it was that or go under? Now our county is charging a fee for 4H membership.
I doubt they would risk losing 450,000 lds boys to pick up maybe 10,000 girls. | |
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| They have been letting girls into the BSA program for quite some time. I was part of their Venturing program in high school and that was 12 or so years ago. That gave me the ability to go to any of their camp grounds with my crew and earn awards. The only thing I couldn't do was participate in Order of Arrow and earn an Eagle Scout award as that was for males only.
So, the extinction of a true BOY scout only program happened over a decade ago. I think when they started the co-ed programs years ago the lines became blurred as it wasn't truly "boy" scouts anymore. Plus, it did in some way look bad that that girls were allowed in but couldn't participate in the two highest honors of the program.
If I had to guess this most current change is to get numbers up. I was heavily involved in high school at the district level and there were enrollment issues and declines back then too.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | If you take a step back, it's not hard to see how the Boy Scouts has declined in numbers, if indeed they have. I don't see snowflakes gravitating to something like the BSA all that much. | |
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| Bear - 2017-10-12 11:01 AM
SloRide - 2017-10-12 9:58 AM
Oh yeah this is the biggest problem BSA has ever had! Forget all of the rape that has been going on within this organization. We must draw the line at allowing girls to join.
So, I'm just curious. Because of the incidents, to which you refer, would you favor the Boy Scouts of America simply go away?
I care more about the safety of the children involved in the group. Are you not aware of what has been going on with the BSA in the last few years? Actually it's been going on longer for much longer just not getting as much publicity until recently. No, I won't be encouraging my kids to join BSA.
Here are some examples.
"Joe Gibson, a former Scoutmaster in the St. Petersburg, Florida area, was convicted in June 1982.[36]
Lee Pontius, former Daytona Beach, Florida area Scoutmaster, and current Silver Beaver honoree, was convicted multiple times of molesting Boy Scouts, including on a November 1982 camping trip.[37]
Martin Turner, a leader in Texas, pleaded guilty in 2008 to two counts of indecency with a child by contact and one count of attempted indecency with a child by contact. He had abused two children in cases going back up to 40 years.[38]
Al Steven Stein, a former boy scout leader in Santa Barbara, California, was convicted in 2009 for felony child molestation and misdemeanor possession of child pornography. Stein and the Boy Scouts of America were sued for negligent training, knowledge of Stein's propensities, and failure to report. Roe v. Boy Scouts of America, Stein et al., settled in 2015 with the BSA. J. Geck awarded judgment against Stein. BSA has since changed some of its policies as requested by plaintiffs.[39]
David McDonald Rankin, a former Scoutmaster in College Park, Maryland, was convicted for abusing Scouts between 1984 and 1987.[40]
Gary Lee Gephart, a former Cub Scout leader in Oceanside, California, was convicted in 1996.[41]
Howard W. Curtis, a Haverhill, Massachusetts leader, pleaded guilty in May 2008 for acts occurring in the 1980s.[42]
James Hiatt, a former Boy Scout leader in Texas, was convicted in May 2008 for abuse that took place from about 2003 to 2005.[43][44]
Brad Stowell confessed to molesting 24 boys from 1989 until his arrest in 1997. Authorities working at the camp were warned numerous times during his employment. In 1988, at age 16, Stowell had previously admitted to police that he molested a 6-year-old, which Scout officials were also aware of.[45]
Gary Wade Brown, a former Boy Scout Leader in Orem, Utah, in 2009 pleaded guilty to four counts of sexual abuse of a child and sexual exploitation of a minor, second-degree felonies, and one count of lewdness involving a child, a Class A misdemeanor. Seven additional charges were dismissed as part of a plea agreement. The abuse involved a 12-year-old boy and took place between 2005 and 2006.[3]
Charles Donald Corley, a Boy Scout volunteer in Birmingham, Alabama, was convicted for sexual abuse against three young men in 1995.[46][47]
Richard Turley, a former volunteer in California, was convicted of kidnapping and sexually assaulting an 11-year-old Canadian scout. After 18 months, he was released from a mental institution and went right back to work, beginning his volunteer work at a California scout camp. In 1979, he assaulted three of those scouts. Upon learning this, Boy Scouts of American simply told Turley to return to Canada, not warning Scouts Canada of Turley's criminal behavior. In 1996, Turley went on to assault four boys, three of which were scouts, in Victoria, British Columbia. He was sentenced to seven years in prison.[48]
James Molyneaux, 2004, a former Boy Scout leader and 6th-grade English school teacher in Portville, New York, was arrested in connection to an abuse case of a 13-year-old in July 1997 at a campground owned by the Molyneaux family that was used for scouting activities and another case of an 11-year-old at his home in Portville, NY in September 2000. Although Molyneaux denied the charges, at trial he was found guilty of two counts of first-degree sodomy, two counts of second-degree sodomy, and one count of first-degree sexual abuse. Molyneaux is currently serving 17 1/2 to 23 years with a maximum sentence of 57 years in the Clinton Correctional Facility. The state has denied his appeal [49]
Garth David Snively, 1994, a former Boy Scout leader, was convicted for two counts of first-degree child molestation and sentenced to 11 years after his 1993 arrest for molesting at least 20 Boy Scout members of various ages over several years, as well as while a mentor in the Big Brothers program. His victims testified in court that while at his home in Everett, Washington, Snively would apply baby powder to and fondle their genitals, make them wear diapers and, in addition, make them fondle, powder and diaper him.[50] A Level III sex offender, Snively was released and now resides in Centralia, Washington.[51]
Richard Merry was an assistant Scout Leader in Troop 691, part of the Georgia Coastal Counsel, from 2006-2010. In September 2011, Merry was found guilty of victimizing several Boy Scouts in a general court martial and sentenced to 52 years of confinement and dishonorably discharged from the U.S. Navy. He is currently incarcerated at Leavenworth US Penitentiary.
Like I said in the Weinstine post, rape culture is a thing.
Edit: autocorrect
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | So the solution to these perverts is what? Abolish the Boy Scouts?
If you had your way, Slo Ride, is that your preferred solution?
Do you favor allowing girls to join the Boy Scouts? | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Whiteboy - 2017-10-12 11:58 AM
whats the age range of "snowflake"?
Snowflakes develop from birth. They are primarily a result of parenting and society. They start out as little snowflakes and continue to evolve throughout life. | |
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| Bear - 2017-10-12 12:25 PM
Whiteboy - 2017-10-12 11:58 AM
whats the age range of "snowflake"?
Snowflakes develop from birth. They are primarily a result of parenting and society. They start out as little snowflakes and continue to evolve throughout life.
I was a scout leader for the last 3 years or so. 11 yo kids absolutely love it, by the time they are 14 they start to outgrow it. | |
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| Bear - 2017-10-12 12:23 PM
So the solution to these perverts is what? Abolish the Boy Scouts?
If you had your way, Slo Ride, is that your preferred solution?
Do you favor allowing girls to join the Boy Scouts?
BSA can crumble into oblivion as far as I am concerned. I don't see why any parent would let their children be involved with BSA. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SloRide - 2017-10-12 12:33 PM
Bear - 2017-10-12 12:23 PM
So the solution to these perverts is what? Abolish the Boy Scouts?
If you had your way, Slo Ride, is that your preferred solution?
Do you favor allowing girls to join the Boy Scouts?
BSA can crumble into oblivion as far as I am concerned. I don't see why any parent would let their children be involved with BSA.
OK, then. You want them to be wiped off the face of the earth because of these perverts and criminals in their midst. I get it.
How do you feel about schools where teachers and coaches engage in
the same behavior? | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Bear - 2017-10-12 11:55 AM
If you take a step back, it's not hard to see how the Boy Scouts has declined in numbers, if indeed they have. I don't see snowflakes gravitating to something like the BSA all that much.
I couldn’t even tell you if we have either one of these programs locally. If they exist they haven’t attempted to enroll more kids. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | SloRide - 2017-10-12 12:33 PM Bear - 2017-10-12 12:23 PM So the solution to these perverts is what? Abolish the Boy Scouts? If you had your way, Slo Ride, is that your preferred solution? Do you favor allowing girls to join the Boy Scouts? BSA can crumble into oblivion as far as I am concerned. I don't see why any parent would let their children be involved with BSA.
My oldest son was a Boy Scout and we never ever had a problem with any of the leaders and he loved all the cool things that he got to do with his buddys..This was 25 years ago and my Father in Law a was Eagle Scout and that was a lot of years ago, lol.. I want to see the Boy Scouts of America grow, theres nothing wrong being a BS.. Sloride do you have any children? And why would you feel that way about the BS's? | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | If Sloride feels that way about the BSA, she obvisouly feels that way about all organized groups in the World. Everyone of them, I am sure has had something "sinister" happen to children. From the beginning of time.
If you feel this happens in organizations, Sloride, volunteer in as many as you can, so children everywhere can learn and develope in new areas. Start in your own hometown. Make a difference, not just condem. | |
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| 3canstorun - 2017-10-12 12:59 PM If Sloride feels that way about the BSA, she obvisouly feels that way about all organized groups in the World. Everyone of them, I am sure has had something "sinister" happen to children. From the beginning of time.
If you feel this happens in organizations, Sloride, volunteer in as many as you can, so children everywhere can learn and develope in new areas. Start in your own hometown. Make a difference, not just condem. How about the Catholic Church? Should we do away with Catholicism because of the actions of a few priests and those that protected them? Correct the wrongs and don’t punish those who do benefit from organizations. My nephew was an Eagle Scout, hs experience was nothing but positive and having that on his resume contributed to the many college scholarships he was awarded.
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Location: Jersey Girl | Bear - 2017-10-12 12:45 AM Why? Why is this important? What was wrong with having Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts? This is political correctness taken to an extreme. Am I missing something? The world has gone nuts, I swear.
I think its the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of. Nothing like teaching the kids that they always get what they want..... | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | You can pull a few perverts out of almost any organization or group.
That includes Hollywood, Boy Scouts, farmers, doctors, plumbers, teachers, politicians, coaches, butchers, bakers, and candlestick makers.
But SloRide, in her infinite wisdom seems to prefer a more selective annihilation of groups for which she probably harbors a special kind of hate......like the Boy Scouts......just because. This is an excellent case study. | |
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| rodeomom3 - 2017-10-12 2:04 PM 3canstorun - 2017-10-12 12:59 PM If Sloride feels that way about the BSA, she obvisouly feels that way about all organized groups in the World. Everyone of them, I am sure has had something "sinister" happen to children. From the beginning of time.
If you feel this happens in organizations, Sloride, volunteer in as many as you can, so children everywhere can learn and develope in new areas. Start in your own hometown. Make a difference, not just condem. How about the Catholic Church? Should we do away with Catholicism because of the actions of a few priests and those that protected them? Correct the wrongs and don’t punish those who do benefit from organizations. My nephew was an Eagle Scout, hs exoetirmce was nothing but positive and having that on his resume contributed to the many college scholarships he was awarded.
The Catholic Church and it's list of historical evils make this BSA thing (and all of its dishonored leaders and actions) look silly and childish. Seriously. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | My husband was an Eagle Scout and puts this on every application he ever submits. For anything. Even a home loan.
He made the comment last night that he can no longer do this and it have the same meaning... He is very disappointed...
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Whiteboy - 2017-10-12 11:58 AM whats the age range of "snowflake"?
My husband calls me a greyflake. Does anyone know what age group that is? LOL | |
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Location: Arkansas | Bear - 2017-10-12 12:25 PM
Whiteboy - 2017-10-12 11:58 AM
whats the age range of "snowflake"?
Snowflakes develop from birth. They are primarily a result of parenting and society. They start out as little snowflakes and continue to evolve throughout life.
Until they grow into a big snowball. . . . . | |
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