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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-10-29 4:01 PM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 10:37 AM
cheryl makofka - 2017-10-29 10:32 AM
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After reading all this I learned one thing....I will never give a horse Osphos!
I have done tildren, but my horses are under direct veterinary care for a few days.
Everything has side effects, you just need to be prepared to manage the side effects, hence the vet.
To me the risk wouldn't be worth the "reward". One or two cases surfacing of side effects is not a concern. I know several horses that have had a couple injections of osphos and never had any issues. I personally think osphos is a low risk medication for side effects with the intital injection compared to the risks of joint injections... I feel joint injections are a much higher risk.
Having lost a horse to colic, yes one or two cases is enough to make me not want to "try" it. |
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| Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 2:12 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-10-29 4:01 PM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 10:37 AM
cheryl makofka - 2017-10-29 10:32 AM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 9:50 AM
After reading all this I learned one thing....I will never give a horse Osphos!
I have done tildren, but my horses are under direct veterinary care for a few days.
Everything has side effects, you just need to be prepared to manage the side effects, hence the vet.
To me the risk wouldn't be worth the "reward". One or two cases surfacing of side effects is not a concern. I know several horses that have had a couple injections of osphos and never had any issues. I personally think osphos is a low risk medication for side effects with the intital injection compared to the risks of joint injections... I feel joint injections are a much higher risk.
Having lost a horse to colic, yes one or two cases is enough to make me not want to "try" it.
Colic is one of the biggest killers of horses period. The risk of colic from osphos is extremely extremely low. |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | I’ve used it several times with no colic. KNOCK ON WOOD. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2017-10-29 6:21 PM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 2:12 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-10-29 4:01 PM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 10:37 AM
cheryl makofka - 2017-10-29 10:32 AM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 9:50 AM
After reading all this I learned one thing....I will never give a horse Osphos!
I have done tildren, but my horses are under direct veterinary care for a few days.
Everything has side effects, you just need to be prepared to manage the side effects, hence the vet.
To me the risk wouldn't be worth the "reward". One or two cases surfacing of side effects is not a concern. I know several horses that have had a couple injections of osphos and never had any issues. I personally think osphos is a low risk medication for side effects with the intital injection compared to the risks of joint injections... I feel joint injections are a much higher risk.
Having lost a horse to colic, yes one or two cases is enough to make me not want to "try" it.
Colic is one of the biggest killers of horses period. The risk of colic from osphos is extremely extremely low.
And the more stuff we introduce to them like this, the higher the risk. No thanks!!! Just my opinion...But I wont be giving Osphos or Tildren |
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Location: Oklahoma | I Was told that it looks like the horse is colicing with osphos but actually the muscles are tightening (I cant remember the exact wording just paraphrasing). We gave dex along with osphos and I didn't have any issues tho he did knot up a little on the injection site but it went away and he wasn't sore on it. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I took the chance because if this doesn't work I have to retire my horse. |
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| Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 4:12 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-10-29 4:01 PM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 10:37 AM
cheryl makofka - 2017-10-29 10:32 AM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 9:50 AM
After reading all this I learned one thing....I will never give a horse Osphos!
I have done tildren, but my horses are under direct veterinary care for a few days.
Everything has side effects, you just need to be prepared to manage the side effects, hence the vet.
To me the risk wouldn't be worth the "reward". One or two cases surfacing of side effects is not a concern. I know several horses that have had a couple injections of osphos and never had any issues. I personally think osphos is a low risk medication for side effects with the intital injection compared to the risks of joint injections... I feel joint injections are a much higher risk.
Having lost a horse to colic, yes one or two cases is enough to make me not want to "try" it.
Please talk to your vet. Osphos does not cause colic. It causes colic like symptoms that could occur in the first 2 hours and lasts for a very short time. It's due to a short period of change in gut motility. I've lost horses to colic too.... But people need to get their facts right about things like this. |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-10-29 6:43 PM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 4:12 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-10-29 4:01 PM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 10:37 AM
cheryl makofka - 2017-10-29 10:32 AM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 9:50 AM
After reading all this I learned one thing....I will never give a horse Osphos!
I have done tildren, but my horses are under direct veterinary care for a few days.
Everything has side effects, you just need to be prepared to manage the side effects, hence the vet.
To me the risk wouldn't be worth the "reward". One or two cases surfacing of side effects is not a concern. I know several horses that have had a couple injections of osphos and never had any issues. I personally think osphos is a low risk medication for side effects with the intital injection compared to the risks of joint injections... I feel joint injections are a much higher risk.
Having lost a horse to colic, yes one or two cases is enough to make me not want to "try" it.
Please talk to your vet. Osphos does not cause colic. It causes colic like symptoms that could occur in the first 2 hours and lasts for a very short time. It's due to a short period of change in gut motility. I've lost horses to colic too.... But people need to get their facts right about things like this.
Exactly what she said! And I don’t feed pasture ornaments either so I have used it in the past. Luckily it worked on those horses cause if it didn’t they were going to be put down. |
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Location: North Dakota | There are other reasons to avoid osphos than the colic like symptoms.
I would be more worried about the unknown long term effects of it. This is taken straight from www.fda.gov... "Increased bone fragility has been seen in animals given bisphosphonates at high doses or for long periods of time. Because bisphosphonates inhibit bone resorption and decrease bone turnover, the body may be unable to repair microdamage within a bone."
A normal process in the horses in body is disrupted with this drug and it unknown how long those effects continue even with just one dose.
Osphos was recently prescribed for my mare. As of right now her barrel career is over due to severe talocalcaneal oseoarthritis in her hock. Trust me, I wanted to just give her the shot because I want so badly for her to feel better. I choose to put the osphos to the side right now and try a different approach. Too many unknowns for me.
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| MidWest1452 - 2017-10-29 9:01 PM
There are other reasons to avoid osphos than the colic like symptoms.
I would be more worried about the unknown long term effects of it. This is taken straight from www.fda.gov... "Increased bone fragility has been seen in animals given bisphosphonates at high doses or for long periods of time. Because bisphosphonates inhibit bone resorption and decrease bone turnover, the body may be unable to repair microdamage within a bone."
A normal process in the horses in body is disrupted with this drug and it unknown how long those effects continue even with just one dose.
Osphos was recently prescribed for my mare. As of right now her barrel career is over due to severe talocalcaneal oseoarthritis in her hock. Trust me, I wanted to just give her the shot because I want so badly for her to feel better. I choose to put the osphos to the side right now and try a different approach. Too many unknowns for me.
Unfortunately this is the risk we take with any medication. For example... I have a 19 year old gelding that has received joint injections over his career pretty routinely as maintenance. Well last fall I injected his hocks then 2 weeks later his SI was injected and he tried to founder. We pulled blood to check for Cushings or insulin resistance and found everything to come back normal. No metabolic issues found. There was no explanation why he tried to founder except for possible age... |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-10-29 8:43 PM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 4:12 PM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-10-29 4:01 PM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 10:37 AM
cheryl makofka - 2017-10-29 10:32 AM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 9:50 AM
After reading all this I learned one thing....I will never give a horse Osphos!
I have done tildren, but my horses are under direct veterinary care for a few days.
Everything has side effects, you just need to be prepared to manage the side effects, hence the vet.
To me the risk wouldn't be worth the "reward". One or two cases surfacing of side effects is not a concern. I know several horses that have had a couple injections of osphos and never had any issues. I personally think osphos is a low risk medication for side effects with the intital injection compared to the risks of joint injections... I feel joint injections are a much higher risk.
Having lost a horse to colic, yes one or two cases is enough to make me not want to "try" it.
Please talk to your vet. Osphos does not cause colic. It causes colic like symptoms that could occur in the first 2 hours and lasts for a very short time. It's due to a short period of change in gut motility. I've lost horses to colic too.... But people need to get their facts right about things like this.
Colic/Colic like symptoms are ONE reason I wouldn't try Osphos. I am not, will not, won't think about trying it. It is MY opinion. You aren't going to change it, talking to a vet isn't going to change that. I don't put stuff like that into my horses. I WOULD rather retire them than have to load them with stuff to keep going. I know you aren't going to agree with me, I am not trying to change your mind, I am just saying that I won't be trying Osphos. |
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| MidWest1452 - 2017-10-29 9:01 PM
There are other reasons to avoid osphos than the colic like symptoms.
I would be more worried about the unknown long term effects of it. This is taken straight from www.fda.gov... "Increased bone fragility has been seen in animals given bisphosphonates at high doses or for long periods of time. Because bisphosphonates inhibit bone resorption and decrease bone turnover, the body may be unable to repair microdamage within a bone."
A normal process in the horses in body is disrupted with this drug and it unknown how long those effects continue even with just one dose.
Osphos was recently prescribed for my mare. As of right now her barrel career is over due to severe talocalcaneal oseoarthritis in her hock. Trust me, I wanted to just give her the shot because I want so badly for her to feel better. I choose to put the osphos to the side right now and try a different approach. Too many unknowns for me.
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| This is exactly how I feel! Glad there are others who wonder about the long term, such as I do! |
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Location: North Dakota | WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-10-29 9:12 PM
MidWest1452 - 2017-10-29 9:01 PM
There are other reasons to avoid osphos than the colic like symptoms.
I would be more worried about the unknown long term effects of it. This is taken straight from www.fda.gov... "Increased bone fragility has been seen in animals given bisphosphonates at high doses or for long periods of time. Because bisphosphonates inhibit bone resorption and decrease bone turnover, the body may be unable to repair microdamage within a bone."
A normal process in the horses in body is disrupted with this drug and it unknown how long those effects continue even with just one dose.
Osphos was recently prescribed for my mare. As of right now her barrel career is over due to severe talocalcaneal oseoarthritis in her hock. Trust me, I wanted to just give her the shot because I want so badly for her to feel better. I choose to put the osphos to the side right now and try a different approach. Too many unknowns for me.
Unfortunately this is the risk we take with any medication. For example... I have a 19 year old gelding that has received joint injections over his career pretty routinely as maintenance. Well last fall I injected his hocks then 2 weeks later his SI was injected and he tried to founder. We pulled blood to check for Cushings or insulin resistance and found everything to come back normal. No metabolic issues found. There was no explanation why he tried to founder except for possible age...
Founder is something that can happen from stress in general. I have seen a horse founder from a change in weather. I am talking about giving your horse a shot knowing that your horse will have a great chance of "bone fragility" straight from the FDA.. we are then asking to perform for us... run, stop, turn as hard as they can with us on top of them.
To me, these two things are on completely different levels.
To each their own. |
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| MidWest1452 - 2017-10-30 10:41 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-10-29 9:12 PM
MidWest1452 - 2017-10-29 9:01 PM
There are other reasons to avoid osphos than the colic like symptoms.
I would be more worried about the unknown long term effects of it. This is taken straight from www.fda.gov... "Increased bone fragility has been seen in animals given bisphosphonates at high doses or for long periods of time. Because bisphosphonates inhibit bone resorption and decrease bone turnover, the body may be unable to repair microdamage within a bone."
A normal process in the horses in body is disrupted with this drug and it unknown how long those effects continue even with just one dose.
Osphos was recently prescribed for my mare. As of right now her barrel career is over due to severe talocalcaneal oseoarthritis in her hock. Trust me, I wanted to just give her the shot because I want so badly for her to feel better. I choose to put the osphos to the side right now and try a different approach. Too many unknowns for me.
Unfortunately this is the risk we take with any medication. For example... I have a 19 year old gelding that has received joint injections over his career pretty routinely as maintenance. Well last fall I injected his hocks then 2 weeks later his SI was injected and he tried to founder. We pulled blood to check for Cushings or insulin resistance and found everything to come back normal. No metabolic issues found. There was no explanation why he tried to founder except for possible age...
Founder is something that can happen from stress in general. I have seen a horse founder from a change in weather. I am talking about giving your horse a shot knowing that your horse will have a great chance of "bone fragility" straight from the FDA.. we are then asking to perform for us... run, stop, turn as hard as they can with us on top of them.
To me, these two things are on completely different levels.
To each their own.
Not only really... When you give your horse anything there is a risk. Giving a horse sedation if they have an unknown heart murmur or what ever. I understand what you are saying... But there is long term unknown risks with a lot of things we put into their bodies. It's each owners personal decision as much as it is your own personal one. |
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| well this seemed to open a can of worms I didn't intend it to. for clarification on the horse and why I chose to give her the osphos. She is 10, has the beginning of navicular disease, obviously I am changing her shoeing to accommodate that, but the vet thought she was a good candidate to give a round of the osphos to start the reversal of the navicular while she is still young enough to have a long career with the corrective shoeing. they only get the injections every 8 months, and depending on the bone regrowth of the horse, they do not need it forever, just until they show significant improvement. most horses show improvement within two weeks as far as lameness goes, which she has. she did get banamine at the time of the injection to relieve colic symptoms. banamine is not a true nsaid, almost every vet on the planet gives banamine at the time of the injection of the osphos. she is a little sensitive digestive wise anyways, so I was wondering if the inappentance was a common occurrence among other horses. seems like it is common, just depending on the horse. since she is more sensitive, I have been treating her with ulcer guard, and she has been eating just not as much, energy wise she has been normal. it seems to have a lot of contradicting theories and opinions on the osphos, I guess I just do what my vet suggests since they are the professionals I am not and we but our trust in them. |
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| Just did my first round of osphos, my vet said NO banamine. He did, however, give her a shot of something else, but can't remember what for the life of me. |
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| sharpone - 2017-11-03 5:40 PM
Just did my first round of osphos, my vet said NO banamine. He did, however, give her a shot of something else, but can't remember what for the life of me.
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Location: So Cal | Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 8:37 AM
cheryl makofka - 2017-10-29 10:32 AM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-29 9:50 AM
After reading all this I learned one thing....I will never give a horse Osphos!
I have done tildren, but my horses are under direct veterinary care for a few days.
Everything has side effects, you just need to be prepared to manage the side effects, hence the vet.
To me the risk wouldn't be worth the "reward".
It really is not a huge risk. I have the most problem-prone horse in the world and her only side effect from the Osphos was I could tell it irritated her neck and she shook her head around for maybe 10-15 minutes after injections. But she had a HUGE improvement in soundness, both her navicular symptoms and hock arthritis. I was having to inject her hocks every 3-4 months and have not done it once since she got Osphos in March. For some it may not be worth the risk, but my horse was basically facing being retired at 11, and she is one who is not happy to sit. Every case is different, but Osphos was worth it for me! |
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Location: Texas Big Country | How much is the Osphos Injection? Curious to see if there is a regional difference. |
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