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| I've had a puke like that. How long are you willing to wait to see if he might come out of it, and what happens if 1 or 3 or 5 or 10 years if he doesn't? | |
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| Whiteboy - 2017-10-31 11:20 AM
I've had a puke like that. How long are you willing to wait to see if he might come out of it, and what happens if 1 or 3 or 5 or 10 years if he doesn't?
He is 2 1/2 and been there a month....That's not enough to know if he is a puke or not IMHO | |
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| Meep.Meep - 2017-10-31 11:41 AM
mgander - 2017-10-31 10:20 AM
I'd give the guy a chance to turn the corner and realize when he wants to be a real prick, life gets harder for him. You see something in him,
he's just a fighter the whole way around, he might just need to learn when to use it.
We had to wait to geld our colt because he dropped late, but I wish we could've cut him sooner since he's super mouthy and arrogant almost. He's part Friesian, that's where the mouth and attitude comes from. He would walk all day, but doing anything involving work he'd buck or carry on. Luckily he's big and slow so no one was ever unseated. He still does this in the arena, but he works like a champ in the woods for the SO. He's four, over 16 hands and when he's forced to do something uncomfortable he'll still throw sass. I don't want to be too hard on him yet since he's growing so fast.
Since everyone wants pics for proof, first time he was rode double for pickup race, and walking or trotting was not in his vocab that day after an attitude adjustment for bucking when cantering.
I wouldn't blame any horse for bucking in that situation, especially a young green horse 
I wasn’t blaming him at all he’s just an ornery baby some days and figured pics would give someone a laugh  | |
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| lopnaround - 2017-10-31 11:17 AM Ticktock - 2017-10-30 7:36 PM Thanks for the replys, I am planning on him staying at least 2 more months. I agree life if too short to keep a bad one but he is so dang athletic I am praying he gets with the program! He's really cute!! He'll figure it out:)
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| mgander - 2017-10-31 11:38 AM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-31 11:41 AM
mgander - 2017-10-31 10:20 AM
I'd give the guy a chance to turn the corner and realize when he wants to be a real prick, life gets harder for him. You see something in him,
he's just a fighter the whole way around, he might just need to learn when to use it.
We had to wait to geld our colt because he dropped late, but I wish we could've cut him sooner since he's super mouthy and arrogant almost. He's part Friesian, that's where the mouth and attitude comes from. He would walk all day, but doing anything involving work he'd buck or carry on. Luckily he's big and slow so no one was ever unseated. He still does this in the arena, but he works like a champ in the woods for the SO. He's four, over 16 hands and when he's forced to do something uncomfortable he'll still throw sass. I don't want to be too hard on him yet since he's growing so fast.
Since everyone wants pics for proof, first time he was rode double for pickup race, and walking or trotting was not in his vocab that day after an attitude adjustment for bucking when cantering.
I wouldn't blame any horse for bucking in that situation, especially a young green horse
I wasn’t blaming him at all he’s just an ornery baby some days and figured pics would give someone a laugh
You guys are braver than me!  I have a colt that will throw a buck at me once in a while, I think if I tried double he'd kill me and whoever was unlucky enough to be the passenger lol | |
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| Meep.Meep - 2017-10-31 11:36 AM
Whiteboy - 2017-10-31 11:20 AM
I've had a puke like that. How long are you willing to wait to see if he might come out of it, and what happens if 1 or 3 or 5 or 10 years if he doesn't?
He is 2 1/2 and been there a month....That's not enough to know if he is a puke or not IMHO
Here is my Frenchmans Bogie granddaughter. She had a little attitude when she was sent to the trainer. I guess you can decide for yourself if she is a puke or not. She won a saddle with this run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIV0H7w-8NE&t=107s
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| Meep.Meep - 2017-10-31 12:43 PM
mgander - 2017-10-31 11:38 AM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-31 11:41 AM
mgander - 2017-10-31 10:20 AM
I'd give the guy a chance to turn the corner and realize when he wants to be a real prick, life gets harder for him. You see something in him,
he's just a fighter the whole way around, he might just need to learn when to use it.
We had to wait to geld our colt because he dropped late, but I wish we could've cut him sooner since he's super mouthy and arrogant almost. He's part Friesian, that's where the mouth and attitude comes from. He would walk all day, but doing anything involving work he'd buck or carry on. Luckily he's big and slow so no one was ever unseated. He still does this in the arena, but he works like a champ in the woods for the SO. He's four, over 16 hands and when he's forced to do something uncomfortable he'll still throw sass. I don't want to be too hard on him yet since he's growing so fast.
Since everyone wants pics for proof, first time he was rode double for pickup race, and walking or trotting was not in his vocab that day after an attitude adjustment for bucking when cantering.
I wouldn't blame any horse for bucking in that situation, especially a young green horse
I wasn’t blaming him at all he’s just an ornery baby some days and figured pics would give someone a laugh
You guys are braver than me! I have a colt that will throw a buck at me once in a while, I think if I tried double he'd kill me and whoever was unlucky enough to be the passenger lol
My sister has a horse that'll buck every step at a walk if you're riding double, we don't test faster. His colt is just a big baby with the occasional teenage attitude. He's earned himself boot camp and fun shows next year though. | |
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| Don't bash me on this, just speaking from what I've seen. I use to exercise horses for an older lady, I now know her training was mediocre and harsh at best, but she had a two year old that she needed a young person to just put miles on her. Young me, needing cash jumped on. Not even ten minutes into loosely walking around (no fits with just the saddle), I ended up eating dirt. I got dumped five times that night. The filly was just plain mean, and smart. We kept working on it and she was fine after a couple weeks. Took her to the round pen after several lunging sessions in it, and she broke in half. Got dumped again, lunged her around, checked her tack with no problems, and then got back on. Went good for several minutes, then did it again, this time hooked her front legs over top of the round pen panels, I bailed backwards and the lady came storming in.
She laid this filly down that day. Went smooth, no big blow ups or injuries. After she did that, we let the filly quit for the day. I went over the next day to ride her and her attitude was gone and she was the quietest horse to be around, never did anything mean after that. Just a thought, probably not a good one if he keeps acting a turd | |
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| mgander - 2017-10-31 9:20 AM
I'd give the guy a chance to turn the corner and realize when he wants to be a real prick, life gets harder for him. You see something in him,
he's just a fighter the whole way around, he might just need to learn when to use it.
We had to wait to geld our colt because he dropped late, but I wish we could've cut him sooner since he's super mouthy and arrogant almost. He's part Friesian, that's where the mouth and attitude comes from. He would walk all day, but doing anything involving work he'd buck or carry on. Luckily he's big and slow so no one was ever unseated. He still does this in the arena, but he works like a champ in the woods for the SO. He's four, over 16 hands and when he's forced to do something uncomfortable he'll still throw sass. I don't want to be too hard on him yet since he's growing so fast.
Since everyone wants pics for proof, first time he was rode double for pickup race, and walking or trotting was not in his vocab that day after an attitude adjustment for bucking when cantering.
Hahaha I love this SO much! Thanks for the giggles =] I love the looks on both of your guys' faces!! Just having fun, laughing and smiling =] | |
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Location: Illinois | I broke my black horse out as a 7 year old, he had been a standing stud until then. Absolute A***H****, bucked me off almost weekly. He could buck with his head at his flank, he wasn't giving it up. I broke so many reins trying to pull his head around & he didn't care if he had to hurt himself, you were coming off. He bronced and fought me for 2 years until one day I had enough. We were in the sandy round pen bc the arena was muddy and he started bucking. I let him have the reins, grabbed my over under & just held on with one hand & whailed on him with that over under & dug my spurs in. I think my anger and adrenaline are the only things that kept me on that day. He made this awful growling noise & finally after about 20 laps around just stopped. Rode off fine and hasn't dared to buck since, almost 10 years later. The look in his eye changed that day, I wouldn't say I broke his "spirit" but I definitely broke that stud mentality. Now he'd do anything for me, he's step off a cliff if I asked him to. So sometimes the snottiest ones to break make the best horses I think. My 3 year old now loves attention so she's more than happy to do what you ask just because she's getting to spend time with you lol | |
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| Katielovestbs - 2017-10-31 1:53 PM
mgander - 2017-10-31 9:20 AM
I'd give the guy a chance to turn the corner and realize when he wants to be a real prick, life gets harder for him. You see something in him,
he's just a fighter the whole way around, he might just need to learn when to use it.
We had to wait to geld our colt because he dropped late, but I wish we could've cut him sooner since he's super mouthy and arrogant almost. He's part Friesian, that's where the mouth and attitude comes from. He would walk all day, but doing anything involving work he'd buck or carry on. Luckily he's big and slow so no one was ever unseated. He still does this in the arena, but he works like a champ in the woods for the SO. He's four, over 16 hands and when he's forced to do something uncomfortable he'll still throw sass. I don't want to be too hard on him yet since he's growing so fast.
Since everyone wants pics for proof, first time he was rode double for pickup race, and walking or trotting was not in his vocab that day after an attitude adjustment for bucking when cantering.
Hahaha I love this SO much! Thanks for the giggles =] I love the looks on both of your guys' faces!! Just having fun, laughing and smiling =]
No problem, I have several more where he is in this crow hopping pose :| kids will be kids but I'd honestly trust my life in his and his dam over any horse. If you need more giggles let me know Haha | |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-10-31 1:24 PM I broke my black horse out as a 7 year old, he had been a standing stud until then. Absolute A***H****, bucked me off almost weekly. He could buck with his head at his flank, he wasn't giving it up. I broke so many reins trying to pull his head around & he didn't care if he had to hurt himself, you were coming off. He bronced and fought me for 2 years until one day I had enough. We were in the sandy round pen bc the arena was muddy and he started bucking. I let him have the reins, grabbed my over under & just held on with one hand & whailed on him with that over under & dug my spurs in. I think my anger and adrenaline are the only things that kept me on that day. He made this awful growling noise & finally after about 20 laps around just stopped. Rode off fine and hasn't dared to buck since, almost 10 years later. The look in his eye changed that day, I wouldn't say I broke his "spirit" but I definitely broke that stud mentality. Now he'd do anything for me, he's step off a cliff if I asked him to. So sometimes the snottiest ones to break make the best horses I think. My 3 year old now loves attention so she's more than happy to do what you ask just because she's getting to spend time with you lol
This gave me chills! Great story and grit! | |
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Location: sunny california | it all depends on how good at bucking he is and how commmited he is to get you off. If he has no self preservation and he is very good at bucking then I would not give much time. especially if he is really good at bucking. you will always question him in the back of your mind and that will not be good for you mentally. Even if the trainer gets the job done the horse may sense your hesitation and that will not be good for either of you.
I had one with a bad attitude but she wasn't a good bucker so we just laughed and kicked her ass. she was always trying something but was easy to manage and well not very skilled at bucking. LOL
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| Had this colt been saddled and worked in the round pen prior to going to this trainer? If so, I would be hesitant to spend more than another 30 days in him. If this is all new to him, I would invest 30 more days and expect a big attitude improvement or he would go down the road. I can't stand a pig headed horse. Life is too short to spend it dealing with horses like that. I agree with Liana, having to cut him due to his attitude was a bad sign.
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Location: The Lone Star State | I love all the replys, I had not done much with him other that he has spent hours standing tied and being ponied and just messed with. This colt is not mean he just has an attitude and I keep thinking if I can channel it in the right direction he might be something awesome. Im willing to see what happens. I will keep yall posted if you want. | |
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| Ticktock - 2017-11-01 8:47 AM
I love all the replys, I had not done much with him other that he has spent hours standing tied and being ponied and just messed with. This colt is not mean he just has an attitude and I keep thinking if I can channel it in the right direction he might be something awesome. Im willing to see what happens. I will keep yall posted if you want.
I have a colt I started last year that will still give me a tussle once in a while (I still lunge him before I ride and that's usually when we tangle). And when I ride him he'll buck when he gets excited. I LOVE him, and my husband always says when he is started on the barrels and channels that energy into a run it is going to be amazing. | |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Nope, not concerned. I love a horse that has some attitude. Seriously, I had the opprotunity to break many and I would hear back from the trainers that such and such has come on to be a winner.
I too, in my 50's wonder how much longer I should continue to break horses. The most important part of the horses career starts in the first month.
Sometimes with the really onery ones I'll break them in the spring and then give them the hot summer off then once we cool down I go to riding the heck out of them. Put them to work check goats, cows, fence. Do some arena work after they had to pick 'em up and put 'em down in a rough pasture it's amazing how quick the learning comes.
Your smart to leave him there till he can ride around with his ears attentive to the rider and his environment. | |
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| I kinda have this rule where if I can see that it was my fault that they bucked and that they unloaded me, I'll let it slide.
If they do it on their own prerogative and unload me, I'm done. Sucker in the dirt, find yourself a new home donkey 'cause I'm not playing no mo. | |
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| My son-in-law bought a stud a couple of years ago. He was sold without papers to the kid SIL bought him from because he was mean. Gelded him shortly after purchase, he was still a mean some of a gun. It took probably around a year to get all that testosterone and attitude out of him, but I will tell you this horse has more try and determination than most horses. | |
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| JLazyT_perf_horses - 2017-10-31 2:24 PM I broke my black horse out as a 7 year old, he had been a standing stud until then. Absolute A***H****, bucked me off almost weekly. He could buck with his head at his flank, he wasn't giving it up. I broke so many reins trying to pull his head around & he didn't care if he had to hurt himself, you were coming off. He bronced and fought me for 2 years until one day I had enough. We were in the sandy round pen bc the arena was muddy and he started bucking. I let him have the reins, grabbed my over under & just held on with one hand & whailed on him with that over under & dug my spurs in. I think my anger and adrenaline are the only things that kept me on that day. He made this awful growling noise & finally after about 20 laps around just stopped. Rode off fine and hasn't dared to buck since, almost 10 years later. The look in his eye changed that day, I wouldn't say I broke his "spirit" but I definitely broke that stud mentality. Now he'd do anything for me, he's step off a cliff if I asked him to. So sometimes the snottiest ones to break make the best horses I think. My 3 year old now loves attention so she's more than happy to do what you ask just because she's getting to spend time with you lol
As a 6yo my Zan stallion and I had a moment like that, on the ground, and a flying ladder fixed it for good. Stallions are very different in how bad they can be and what it takes to get through their studdy-ness and become a partner.
Good luck to the OP - some do stay bad forever, some get better, and it all depends on their handling (unless it's a truly rank horse). Pressure and release, timing, approach, and sometimes the perfectly timed come-to-Jesus meeting. | |
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