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WetSaddleBlankets Reg. Nov 2010	Posted 2017-12-10 2:55 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
Gettin Jiggy Wit It Posts: 2734	It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id=160... Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week! Edited by WetSaddleBlankets 2017-12-10 2:57 PM
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cavyrunsbarrels Reg. Dec 2010	Posted 2017-12-10 3:10 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
Red Bull Agressive Posts: 5981 Location: North Dakota	My husband, who had nothing to do with horses before we were together, watched that run at least 10 times in a row, even going frame by frame to see how she managed to set that record lol. I think he's starting to get hooked.
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kwanatha Reg. Dec 2003	Posted 2017-12-10 3:13 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
Meanest Teacher!!! Posts: 8555 Location: sunny california	Someone posted the side by side video of lassie and Hailey I wish we could see it overlaid
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Bear Reg. Dec 2007	Posted 2017-12-10 6:51 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
BHW Resident Surgeon Posts: 25352 Location: Bastrop, Texas	I am guessing that even if that pattern was smaller by a few inches or even a couple feet, she still would have shattered the arena record.
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rodeomom3 Reg. Dec 2007	Posted 2017-12-10 7:07 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
Shelter Dog Lover Posts: 10277	Syndi Blanchard posted that the pattern is the same and attributes the smokin times to better dirt.
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rodeomom3 Reg. Dec 2007	Posted 2017-12-10 7:38 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
Shelter Dog Lover Posts: 10277	WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 2:55 PM It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id...1603170018 Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week! I am assuming those are copies of the official WPRA pattern. Am I looking at them correctly, they seem off? 2 of the years each show 18’ from the first and second to the wall but one shows 60.5” between 1 and 2 and the other 60.8. Unless a wall was moved you are just looking at discrepancies in how they were measured, where did the extra 3” come from? The 2017 pattern shows 19’6 to the first, 60.5 to the second and 17’10 to the wall-that makes the arena even wider than other years and all show 25 feet to the third, 70 to 2 and 3 so barrels are placed in the same spot in the arena —not at a wider spot. As to the placement of the timer, that can be changed but I don’t understand how the width can change when they all start from the same 25’ to the third putting it in the same place on all the drawings and the same 70’ to 2 and 3. Hope I am not making myself look stupid :0 Edited by rodeomom3 2017-12-10 7:54 PM
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Southtxponygirl Reg. Nov 2006	Posted 2017-12-10 7:43 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
A Somebody to Everybody Posts: 41354 Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas	WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 2:55 PM It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id... Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week! Either way you look at it, Hailey and Sister still broke the arena record and set a new one to be broken in the furture
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Chandler's Mom Reg. Jan 2015	Posted 2017-12-10 8:00 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
My Heart Be Happy Posts: 9159 Location: Arkansas	Southtxponygirl - 2017-12-10 7:43 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 2:55 PM It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id=160... Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week! Either way you look at it, Hailey and Sister still broke the arena record and set a new one to be broken in the furture I agree Miss Roxie. Cause I bet whatever anyone calls it, Hailey is glad to be the one that did it!
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WetSaddleBlankets Reg. Nov 2010	Posted 2017-12-10 8:19 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
Gettin Jiggy Wit It Posts: 2734	Chandler's Mom - 2017-12-10 8:00 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-12-10 7:43 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 2:55 PM It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id=160... Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week! Either way you look at it, Hailey and Sister still broke the arena record and set a new one to be broken in the furture I agree Miss Roxie. Cause I bet whatever anyone calls it, Hailey is glad to be the one that did it! no one is not saying Hailey and sister weren't phenomenal.. Because they were but technically it's not an arena record this year or any year. If this topic was about the wpra standard pattern everyone would be asking if it was measured and confirmed. It is fun to think there is an arena record but in all reality it's not a legitimate statement. No other professional sport would even call that a record unless it was consistent with other years. The ground is obviously not in the factor because it has luckily improved over the years and it is hauled in from year to year but the fact that the pattern can't remain the same is puzzling... Edited by WetSaddleBlankets 2017-12-10 8:20 PM
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WetSaddleBlankets Reg. Nov 2010	Posted 2017-12-10 8:24 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
Gettin Jiggy Wit It Posts: 2734	rodeomom3 - 2017-12-10 7:38 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 2:55 PM It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id=1603170018 Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week! I am assuming those are copies of the official WPRA pattern. Am I looking at them correctly, they seem off? 2 of the years each show 18’ from the first and second to the wall but one shows 60.5” between 1 and 2 and the other 60.8. Unless a wall was moved you are just looking at discrepancies in how they were measured, where did the extra 3” come from? The 2017 pattern shows 19’6 to the first, 60.5 to the second and 17’10 to the wall-that makes the arena even wider than other years and all show 25 feet to the third, 70 to 2 and 3 so barrels are placed in the same spot in the arena —not at a wider spot. As to the placement of the timer, that can be changed but I don’t understand how the width can change when they all start from the same 25’ to the third putting it in the same place on all the drawings and the same 70’ to 2 and 3. Hope I am not making myself look stupid :0 from what I understand it is all has to do the center alley. The bull chutes or something isn't always centered from year to year. So that is why the barrel placement from left to right changes. Like I said I find it puzzling that it just can't be consistently the same size from year to year. Kind of disappointing. Edited by WetSaddleBlankets 2017-12-10 8:25 PM
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Aqhaczy Reg. Jan 2004	Posted 2017-12-10 9:25 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
Texas Lone Star Posts: 5318 Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked	I wanted to add something I had recorded the runs last night... I only took the ones that had clean runs; 7 riders, since sometime when you hit a barrel you don't try as hard to finish fast. I stopped each run on the back side of each barrel post the times. Now this wasn't a government or scientific precise measurements. barrel 1 barrel 2 barrel 3 Hailey 1.4 5.1 9.0 13.11 Amberlynn 2.0 5.2 9.0 13.57 Nelli 1.7 5.3 9.3 13.66 Lisa L 1.7 6.1 9.3 13.67 Taci 2.0 5.7 9.0 13.68 Stevie H 1.8 5.2 9.5 13.84 Tiany 2.2 6.0 9.5 14.20 Either you clock good between barrels or make up time or lose time around the barrels. I would love to see Tanner times set up and have them analyze each girl on any round that everyone has a a clean run. That would be awesome.
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Aqhaczy Reg. Jan 2004	Posted 2017-12-10 9:26 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
Texas Lone Star Posts: 5318 Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked	That sort of screwed up.... darn
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Bear Reg. Dec 2007	Posted 2017-12-10 10:16 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
BHW Resident Surgeon Posts: 25352 Location: Bastrop, Texas	WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 8:19 PM Chandler's Mom - 2017-12-10 8:00 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-12-10 7:43 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 2:55 PM It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id=160... Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week! Either way you look at it, Hailey and Sister still broke the arena record and set a new one to be broken in the furture I agree Miss Roxie. Cause I bet whatever anyone calls it, Hailey is glad to be the one that did it! no one is not saying Hailey and sister weren't phenomenal.. Because they were but technically it's not an arena record this year or any year. If this topic was about the wpra standard pattern everyone would be asking if it was measured and confirmed. It is fun to think there is an arena record but in all reality it's not a legitimate statement. No other professional sport would even call that a record unless it was consistent with other years. The ground is obviously not in the factor because it has luckily improved over the years and it is hauled in from year to year but the fact that the pattern can't remain the same is puzzling... That is not true. Today's major sports are all different in varying ways, compared to many years ago. In baseball, for example, the height of the mound was lowered 6" back around 1970. That gave hitters a bigger advantage and pitching statistics were negatively affected. Bats are lighter, for a given length and barrel size. Hitters seldom wore batting gloves years ago. Spikes are lighter. Infields are better manicured. All these changes gave advantages to today's players, when compared to players from the past. The records to be broken remain the same. The statistics do not have asterisks behind them, except to designate when the season was only 154 games, versus today's 162. It doesn't really matter though, because she shattered that record by such an incredible margin, nobody doubts that she has made the fastest run ever in the T&M.
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WetSaddleBlankets Reg. Nov 2010	Posted 2017-12-10 10:29 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
Gettin Jiggy Wit It Posts: 2734	Bear - 2017-12-10 10:16 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 8:19 PM Chandler's Mom - 2017-12-10 8:00 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-12-10 7:43 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 2:55 PM It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id=160... Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week! Either way you look at it, Hailey and Sister still broke the arena record and set a new one to be broken in the furture I agree Miss Roxie. Cause I bet whatever anyone calls it, Hailey is glad to be the one that did it! no one is not saying Hailey and sister weren't phenomenal.. Because they were but technically it's not an arena record this year or any year. If this topic was about the wpra standard pattern everyone would be asking if it was measured and confirmed. It is fun to think there is an arena record but in all reality it's not a legitimate statement. No other professional sport would even call that a record unless it was consistent with other years. The ground is obviously not in the factor because it has luckily improved over the years and it is hauled in from year to year but the fact that the pattern can't remain the same is puzzling... That is not true. Today's major sports are all different in varying ways, compared to many years ago. In baseball, for example, the height of the mound was lowered 6" back around 1970. That gave hitters a bigger advantage and pitching statistics were negatively affected. Bats are lighter, for a given length and barrel size. Hitters seldom wore batting gloves years ago. Spikes are lighter. Infields are better manicured. All these changes gave advantages to today's players, when compared to players from the past. The records to be broken remain the same. The statistics do not have asterisks behind them, except to designate when the season was only 154 games, versus today's 162. It doesn't really matter though, because she shattered that record by such an incredible margin, nobody doubts that she has made the fastest run ever in the T&M. Well ok then... However back to the standard pattern debate... No one is doubting Hailey made an absolutely phenomenal run. It's just disappointing that the pattern isn't staked the same. We all know the difference of a few inches can make in barrel racing. Obviously it's why rodeo is not timed to the thousandth but between the variables of the ground that has been a factor on better runs over the years. That we all prayed for.... But the pattern isn't even the same. One year the score line was almost 2 feet off. That was in 2008.
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GLP Reg. Oct 2013	Posted 2017-12-10 10:38 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
I just read the headlines Posts: 4483	Would we be arguing this if Lisa and Louie or Sherry and Stingray had run a 13.11? Probably not. Does anyone know the measurements for this year and how different, if in fact they are, from when other fast times that have been run in the past? Hailey had one heck of a run and I am happy for her and her mare. It was exciting to watch she and Kassie lay down near perfect runs.
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WetSaddleBlankets Reg. Nov 2010	Posted 2017-12-10 10:48 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
Gettin Jiggy Wit It Posts: 2734	GLP - 2017-12-10 10:38 PMWould we be arguing this if Lisa and Louie or Sherry and Stingray had run a 13.11? Probably not. Does anyone know the measurements for this year and how different, if in fact they are, from when other fast times that have been run in the past?Hailey had one heck of a run and I am happy for her and her mare. It was exciting to watch she and Kassie lay down near perfect runs. I think if someone wouldn't have made it public the pattern differences over the years this wouldn't be a conversation. And who said anything about arguing? It's an interesting conversation with the all the factors involving an arena record. Besides, sadly the ground looked absolutely horrible tonight. Edited by WetSaddleBlankets 2017-12-10 10:49 PM
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jake16 Reg. Apr 2006	Posted 2017-12-10 11:19 PM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
Go Get Em! Posts: 13503 Location: OH. IO	UGLY GROUND TONIGHT!!!!!TO MANY HORSES DOWN:( Edited by jake16 2017-12-10 11:30 PM
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almost there Reg. Apr 2006	Posted 2017-12-11 12:01 AM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
Expert Posts: 1446 Location: California	jake16 - 2017-12-10 9:19 PM UGLY GROUND TONIGHT!!!!!TO MANY HORSES DOWN:( Yes!!!!! And the announcers keeping saying how great the ground is this year, and I’ve seen horses slip, fall or what not every round!!! Wonder how much they’re getting paid to say it’s great ground!
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aqhabarrelchic1 Reg. Apr 2005	Posted 2017-12-11 12:48 AM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
Expert Posts: 3300	almost there - 2017-12-11 10:01 PM jake16 - 2017-12-10 9:19 PM UGLY GROUND TONIGHT!!!!!TO MANY HORSES DOWN:( Yes!!!!! And the announcers keeping saying how great the ground is this year, and I’ve seen horses slip, fall or what not every round!!! Wonder how much they’re getting paid to say it’s great ground! The ground was bad last night too.... there were a lot of slips before tonight
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rodeomom3 Reg. Dec 2007	Posted 2017-12-11 5:04 AM Subject: RE: Hailey Kinsel sets new arena record!
Shelter Dog Lover Posts: 10277	WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 8:24 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-12-10 7:38 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-12-10 2:55 PM It's fun to say "arena record" but it is not really an arena record at the nfr. More of the fastest run for that year over 10 rounds. Each year the pattern measured is slightly different. For example in 2008 and 2013 the distance between barrel one and two is bigger and smaller by a few inches. Also the score line in 2008 was almost 2 feet longer. I have a post of the pattern measurements from 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2017. Here is my link to my post. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10213116598301925&id...1603170018 Arena record or not there has been some awesome horses and riding this week! I am assuming those are copies of the official WPRA pattern. Am I looking at them correctly, they seem off? 2 of the years each show 18’ from the first and second to the wall but one shows 60.5” between 1 and 2 and the other 60.8. Unless a wall was moved you are just looking at discrepancies in how they were measured, where did the extra 3” come from? The 2017 pattern shows 19’6 to the first, 60.5 to the second and 17’10 to the wall-that makes the arena even wider than other years and all show 25 feet to the third, 70 to 2 and 3 so barrels are placed in the same spot in the arena —not at a wider spot. As to the placement of the timer, that can be changed but I don’t understand how the width can change when they all start from the same 25’ to the third putting it in the same place on all the drawings and the same 70’ to 2 and 3. Hope I am not making myself look stupid :0 from what I understand it is all has to do the center alley. The bull chutes or something isn't always centered from year to year. So that is why the barrel placement from left to right changes. Like I said I find it puzzling that it just can't be consistently the same size from year to year. Kind of disappointing. So it could be angled differently depending on the alley. It is hard to tell from the drawings since only two have the distance to the center of the alley -can’t read the 3rd-and those 2 only show an inch difference.
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