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| I use Jack Brainard's method. Doesn't use head bending to one side or the other, etc. I lift a little on the lead side and let the horse find it with no stress over time.
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| SaritaStorm - 2017-12-23 1:02 PM
I use Jack Brainard's method. Doesn't use head bending to one side or the other, etc. I lift a little on the lead side and let the horse find it with no stress over time.
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| Lot of good videos on u tube with reining trainers. |
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| hank520 - 2017-12-22 8:25 PM
I use inside leg at the girth, outside leg back to move the hip in. Also cue with the inside rein. I want my horse to pick up whichever lead I want on a straight line. I take western dressage lessons on my barrel horses. This seems to carry over well to barrels. I can ask my horses to be on the correct lead heading to the 1st barrel without having to circle. It also helps them learn to switch their lead after the 1st barrel with a quick switch of my feet. I like my horses to switch their lead right after the 1st barrel instead of waiting until they get to the 2nd barrel!
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| When I got my current horse he only knew his left lead he was a die hard head horse. Took me a long time to finally get him to understand it was ok to travel to the right on the right lead. My husband and the man that trained that horse say I ruined him by teaching him to go on the right lead and teaching him the barrels lol! Team ropers... anyway my horse is pretty automatic now on picking up correct leads depending on which direction we are going. But if I'm just playing around in the pasture and I want the left lead I'll very slightly pick up on my left rein and cue with my right leg.. and vice versa if I want the right. Interesting subject and it's interesting to read how people do it differently.  |
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| Leads are my absolute pet peeve. I use my reins to hold them together and straight, maybe only a slight tip of the nose to the lead side. No different than I'd ask them to tip their nose in toward a barrel, or to go in a circle. So with nose slightly tipped in, I use my opposite heel to push and a kiss. |
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| "You have to move the back end before the front end" I learned this Quote 60 years ago. It still holds true today. |
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| I guess it doesn't matter how you cue them. Use what works best for you but consistency is critical. |
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| I have another question for you. Seems like there are some pretty complex methods for asking for a lead. Do you use these every single time you ask for the lead, or just when they are learning? If you're doing this every time, that seems like a lot of work/effort. When I'm starting a horse I might use several cues and movements to make sure the horse stays correct in their travel while catching the correct lead. But once they're broke my cue is light. For my horses that want to move out, it's like was mentioned earlier, a shift of the hips. For the lazy bums they might require more of a bump. Just wondering if I was misunderstanding, because it came across to me that each time you cue for the lead you are doing all of these actions. |
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| With my finished/broke horses I pick up on inside rein to get the nose to the inside of the circle and squeeze evenly with both legs and release hand and feet as they take the lead, works great for me and helps with the lazy horses to lope off quicker than just using feet. When riding a young horse I use outside leg with the inside rein. |
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| Jenbabe - 2017-12-24 1:19 PM
I have another question for you. Seems like there are some pretty complex methods for asking for a lead. Do you use these every single time you ask for the lead, or just when they are learning? If you're doing this every time, that seems like a lot of work/effort. When I'm starting a horse I might use several cues and movements to make sure the horse stays correct in their travel while catching the correct lead. But once they're broke my cue is light. For my horses that want to move out, it's like was mentioned earlier, a shift of the hips. For the lazy bums they might require more of a bump. Just wondering if I was misunderstanding, because it came across to me that each time you cue for the lead you are doing all of these actions.
The paint in my avatar is 13. I raised him. I still use the same cue that he was started with to pick up leads. He gets worked on basics every time I ride him. I hardly ever work him on the pattern. If he makes a mistake during a run, it is because I made a mistake. Rider needs a tune up every once in awhile. |
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Location: Loco,Ok | Ride the horse..I worked for 6 big time outfits. World Champions Hall of fame all of them. Never worried about them. If horse can't figure out where he's feet go in time. Might want to reconsider him. It should be natural. They don't have to be cued running loose. It's your job to be as close to that as possible. You can speed them up a little if need to. At bit more speed they have to be correct. Most of the time. We trot and lope if horse in.wrong lead keep going. Fatigue will change that. It's hard on one in wrong lead in deep sand. Anyway that what I was taught. Bill Freeman and Jim Lee. Jr Garrison, John Burrus, Shorty Russell. Bill Riddle That's pretty good hands there. Over 20.years starting colts for them.It's called The don't make it harder than it has to be method.
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| Tdove - 2017-12-23 10:22 AM
Inside leg forward and out, outside leg back and in. The horse's hip is pushed to inside and horse takes lead with hind end first. The horse must not dive the shoulder in. It needs to stay square and elevated.
It is incorrect to push speed for a lope departure or to dive a tight circle to pick up a lead. A horse needs to be collected and rocked back on the hind end.
This. The first step is done with the horses outside hind leg. I want to cue the horse where the gait starts. I also push their hind in if I'm having issues with leads, it's extremely helpful. Sandy Collier is a known reining cow horse trainer and does it this way; not all reiner's use the inside leg. I think it's personal preference. Im sure both ways have benefits. |
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| clampitt - 2017-12-25 5:56 PM
Ride the horse..I worked for 6 big time outfits. World Champions Hall of fame all of them. Never worried about them. If horse can't figure out where he's feet go in time. Might want to reconsider him. It should be natural. They don't have to be cued running loose. It's your job to be as close to that as possible. You can speed them up a little if need to. At bit more speed they have to be correct. Most of the time. We trot and lope if horse in.wrong lead keep going. Fatigue will change that. It's hard on one in wrong lead in deep sand. Anyway that what I was taught. Bill Freeman and Jim Lee. Jr Garrison, John Burrus, Shorty Russell. Bill Riddle That's pretty good hands there. Over 20.years starting colts for them.
I don't think she has issues picking up on correct lead, she was asking how people cue since there's different methods. |
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Location: Louisiana | fastwrapn3 - 2017-12-22 4:00 PM
you always make what you want your horse to do easy and the wrong thing hard. I was taught to hold with the inside leg and to push the rear end over to open the horse up for the correct lead. always help me remember
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To me, it isn't about which leg I'm asking with...if their body is in proper position, they should naturally pick up the correct lead. And I'm using both legs to keep them in the position I want. |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | clampitt - 2017-12-25 5:56 PM
Ride the horse..I worked for 6 big time outfits. World Champions Hall of fame all of them. Never worried about them. If horse can't figure out where he's feet go in time. Might want to reconsider him. It should be natural. They don't have to be cued running loose. It's your job to be as close to that as possible. You can speed them up a little if need to. At bit more speed they have to be correct. Most of the time. We trot and lope if horse in.wrong lead keep going. Fatigue will change that. It's hard on one in wrong lead in deep sand. Anyway that what I was taught. Bill Freeman and Jim Lee. Jr Garrison, John Burrus, Shorty Russell. Bill Riddle That's pretty good hands there. Over 20.years starting colts for them.It's called The don't make it harder than it has to be method.
This!! Are y’all doing these “maneuvers” on finished horses to grab their leads? |
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Location: North Dakota | A lead starts with the horse taking off on the correct hind foot. Essentially, that's step number one in having the horse set up for success. Therefore, that is why it makes sense to me to use the "outside" leg. Let's say you are picking up the right lead. The horse needs to step off with the left hind leg, in order to have their feet in the correct place. If I use my (outside) left leg slightly back, I can push the horse's hip to the right, asking them to step that left hind leg underneath them. That automatically puts the leg in the correct position for them to "take off" with it.
I do agree that shoulder placement is also important to help your horse get the rest of their feet in the correct order, but again, it all starts with the hind foot. I may or may not use any supporting inside leg -- it just depends on what the horse needs. Shoulder control is REALLY important when you start asking for a horse to do flying lead changes, so it is important that the horse at least understands it for simple lead departures as well. I usually am not doing too much with the reins. I honestly don't really care where their nose is, because if I have their body in the correct place, they'll get their lead. So I'm mostly working on keeping them straight, and helping keep the shoulder in position.
I actually like to teach a horse to pick up a lead on a straightaway. It makes everything easier if they learn how to stand themselves up and stay straight. They don't have a chance to learn to dive or drop a shoulder if they are straight to begin with.
It does not make sense to me to use the inside leg to cue for a lead departure. But if that works for you, more power to ya.
On my "finished" horses, when I show locally, they are on a loose rein and I barely have to squeeze with my outside leg, and lean forward slightly, and they take off into their lead. Of course, that's what they've learned after time in the saddle and practice!
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| Ashley Lynn - 2017-12-26 10:02 AM
clampitt - 2017-12-25 5:56 PM
Ride the horse..I worked for 6 big time outfits. World Champions Hall of fame all of them. Never worried about them. If horse can't figure out where he's feet go in time. Might want to reconsider him. It should be natural. They don't have to be cued running loose. It's your job to be as close to that as possible. You can speed them up a little if need to. At bit more speed they have to be correct. Most of the time. We trot and lope if horse in.wrong lead keep going. Fatigue will change that. It's hard on one in wrong lead in deep sand. Anyway that what I was taught. Bill Freeman and Jim Lee. Jr Garrison, John Burrus, Shorty Russell. Bill Riddle That's pretty good hands there. Over 20.years starting colts for them.It's called The don't make it harder than it has to be method.
This!! Are y’all doing these “maneuvers” on finished horses to grab their leads?
Whether a horse is finished or not there is typically a cue ( I wouldn't say a maneuver) to ask for the canter. Ya you can just squeeze and go and they do figure it out. A person can run a pattern and a horse will change leads when they need to. However I prefer a horse to change leads if I ask whenever, where ever. Since the OP does reining with her hubby I'm sure she agrees. Same for dressage riders, they would never be able to do tempi changes without first teaching a cue for the correct lead.
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | cn1705 - 2017-12-26 3:27 PM
Ashley Lynn - 2017-12-26 10:02 AM
clampitt - 2017-12-25 5:56 PM
Ride the horse..I worked for 6 big time outfits. World Champions Hall of fame all of them. Never worried about them. If horse can't figure out where he's feet go in time. Might want to reconsider him. It should be natural. They don't have to be cued running loose. It's your job to be as close to that as possible. You can speed them up a little if need to. At bit more speed they have to be correct. Most of the time. We trot and lope if horse in.wrong lead keep going. Fatigue will change that. It's hard on one in wrong lead in deep sand. Anyway that what I was taught. Bill Freeman and Jim Lee. Jr Garrison, John Burrus, Shorty Russell. Bill Riddle That's pretty good hands there. Over 20.years starting colts for them.It's called The don't make it harder than it has to be method.
This!! Are y’all doing these “maneuvers” on finished horses to grab their leads?
Whether a horse is finished or not there is typically a cue ( I wouldn't say a maneuver ) to ask for the canter. Ya you can just squeeze and go and they do figure it out. A person can run a pattern and a horse will change leads when they need to. However I prefer a horse to change leads if I ask whenever, where ever. Since the OP does reining with her hubby I'm sure she agrees. Same for dressage riders, they would never be able to do tempi changes without first teaching a cue for the correct lead.
I’m not asking if you do all these things to LOPE, I’m asking do you do all these things to put your horse in the correct lead?! Call me simple minded, but if I had to cluck three times, kick twice with one foot and wiggle my big toe on the other to get my horse in the correct lead- I wouldn’t call him finished! There are a lot of ideas on here that make sense if riding something that is 2 or three and maybe don’t have leads figured out yet, but I can’t imagine doing them on something older?! Maybe I’m spoiled!!! I can simply tip a nose if going in a straight line, and mine are all too lazy to lope a circle in the wrong lead! |
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Location: West Texas | To correct cue for a finished trained horse to lope you shift you weight back, pickup the rein, inside leg goes out and a little forward, the outside leg pushes the hip over and you lope off in the correct lead. So yes, a lot of cues for a nice lead departure. The better rider and the better trained a horse, the more cues you give, although they may be subtle.
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