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Location: Displaced Iowegian | GLP - 2018-01-04 7:34 PM wishingforsun - 2018-01-04 6:17 PM cecollins0811 - 2018-01-04 6:05 AM We got the call this week from Heather at Horse Hair Analysis and my problem horse has a whole slew of problems that make sense with why he's been acting unwilling and not turning the best. I won't go into detail with everything but I was surprised at the accuracy of the questions they had about the horse! Everything seemed to be dead on and we ordered 3 different supplements to give to him for 60 days. They should be here today or tomorrow and I can't wait to see his progress internally after the 60 days! Wow, I am disappointed in the comments you have received from others in this forum.
I commend you for taking this approach and realizing that nutrition plans a larger role than most believe. HHA is expensive but his supplements are high quality and no-nonsense. They are not full of the garbage, throw away, masking products like most supplement companies sell. I do not feed his supplements but I do refer to his website because is very informational and truly tries to educate people.
I do not think there is a person or a horse out there that would not benefit from detoxification or internal cleansing. For example, I always urge people to read up on the symptoms of decreased liver and kidney function in the horse and what the possible causes of them are - allergies, not wanting to turn to the right, low energy or unfocused energy, decreased appetite, poor hair/hoof quality, moody, anhidrosis, stocking up, tight muscles, colic, nervousness, sensitive to touch, cloudy eyes, mucus, thyroid issues, hormone imbalances, decreased immunity - the list of symptoms goes on and on. Many symptoms on that list coincide with a vast majority of the other "issues" us owners believe our horses are suffering from, they are all related and to think that any horse or human in our polluted world we live in is immune, is naive.
As I said, I commend you for taking this approach and not just bombarding your horse with this supplement or that supplement and this drug or that drug. Best of luck to you and I hope your horse thrives in his new program! You must be new to the forum. This is the standard response to anything that is different from the traditional western medicine view.
I guess that I am just naturally skeptical or suspicious of those doing the testing are the same ones who are SELLING you the "fix" ..... | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | You have been having problems with this horse for a long time, did you send him off to a trainer yet and if so what did he/she think could be the problem with this horse? You have a few threads about him so was just wondering..  | |
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Location: In my own little world | Heather is not with HHA. She does business as Simply Equine and does not so mineral testing. That is Dr DePaolo of DePaolo Concepts/HHA. I've never dealt with him and HHA but have with Heather and appreciate what she does. And she doesn't care if you buy supplements from her or not. She does my testing and I buy my herbs elsewhere. Glad you like the results you got. Some see the positive results of it, others don't believe it (which I'm guessing most of those have never tried it). I've personally seen the "toxins" leave the horse's body in the form of a powdery glossy film that came off on my hands when I would rub them 2 weeks into the detox. That was the turning point. Yep I drank the koolaid and very glad I did! | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2018-01-04 8:13 PM GLP - 2018-01-04 7:34 PM wishingforsun - 2018-01-04 6:17 PM cecollins0811 - 2018-01-04 6:05 AM We got the call this week from Heather at Horse Hair Analysis and my problem horse has a whole slew of problems that make sense with why he's been acting unwilling and not turning the best. I won't go into detail with everything but I was surprised at the accuracy of the questions they had about the horse! Everything seemed to be dead on and we ordered 3 different supplements to give to him for 60 days. They should be here today or tomorrow and I can't wait to see his progress internally after the 60 days! Wow, I am disappointed in the comments you have received from others in this forum.
I commend you for taking this approach and realizing that nutrition plans a larger role than most believe. HHA is expensive but his supplements are high quality and no-nonsense. They are not full of the garbage, throw away, masking products like most supplement companies sell. I do not feed his supplements but I do refer to his website because is very informational and truly tries to educate people.
I do not think there is a person or a horse out there that would not benefit from detoxification or internal cleansing. For example, I always urge people to read up on the symptoms of decreased liver and kidney function in the horse and what the possible causes of them are - allergies, not wanting to turn to the right, low energy or unfocused energy, decreased appetite, poor hair/hoof quality, moody, anhidrosis, stocking up, tight muscles, colic, nervousness, sensitive to touch, cloudy eyes, mucus, thyroid issues, hormone imbalances, decreased immunity - the list of symptoms goes on and on. Many symptoms on that list coincide with a vast majority of the other "issues" us owners believe our horses are suffering from, they are all related and to think that any horse or human in our polluted world we live in is immune, is naive.
As I said, I commend you for taking this approach and not just bombarding your horse with this supplement or that supplement and this drug or that drug. Best of luck to you and I hope your horse thrives in his new program! You must be new to the forum. This is the standard response to anything that is different from the traditional western medicine view.
I agree I would be suspicious of the same people doing the testing and selling you pricey herbs for a fix if thats what you would call it.  | |
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Location: Somewhere around here | Southtxponygirl - 2018-01-04 7:25 PM
You have been having problems with this horse for a long time, did you send him off to a trainer yet and if so what did he/she think could be the problem with this horse? You have a few threads about him so was just wondering..
Hehe people remember me complaining about him. Haha kidding. I actually was talking to a few well known and respected trainers, not just from my state, and a lady I admire recommend me doing the HAHA. She said that she sends hair from almost every horse she gets in and her personal horses to get checked out when they're first in her barn or every year, depending on if the horse is hers or not. I figured if a lady who has won as much as she has and is as good of a trainer as I believe she is, then it's worth testing out before I send him to a trainer.
I'm still expecting to send him to a trainer in early spring, thought there was no use to send him into the trainer when it's freezing outside and snowing right now, but right now I'm just waiting to see how things are going within the next few months.
ETA: pricey herbs yes. If I still need herbs that will help him after this 60 day period and second hair analysis, then I will probably look for them in a different market, or producer, but with the same ingredients. If not, then my decisions don't effect anyone else but me.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cecollins0811 - 2018-01-04 9:13 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-01-04 7:25 PM You have been having problems with this horse for a long time, did you send him off to a trainer yet and if so what did he/she think could be the problem with this horse? You have a few threads about him so was just wondering.. Hehe people remember me complaining about him. Haha kidding. I actually was talking to a few well known and respected trainers, not just from my state, and a lady I admire recommend me doing the HAHA. She said that she sends hair from almost every horse she gets in and her personal horses to get checked out when they're first in her barn or every year, depending on if the horse is hers or not. I figured if a lady who has won as much as she has and is as good of a trainer as I believe she is, then it's worth testing out before I send him to a trainer. I'm still expecting to send him to a trainer in early spring, thought there was no use to send him into the trainer when it's freezing outside and snowing right now, but right now I'm just waiting to see how things are going within the next few months.
Edit to add: Good luck on what you do, hopefully you can find that right trainer that can get him working and help you on getting him sold.. 
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| Welp...as someone who as blown an inordinate amount of oilfield money on everything under the sun as far as supplements and voodoo $h1+, I will be the first to say that the only thing I've had any real results from is spending a fortune on good shoers, a fortune on the best veterinary care, a fortune on good tack, a fortune on dentists, a fortune on clinics, a fortune on good alfalfa hay, a fortune on good rice bran, and spending real time with my guys so I know instantly when something isn't right. I also bust my butt at the gym to be the best partner I can be.
There's no nutritional replacement for injections. Sorry, but there isn't. The inflammation has to come out, and it has to come out now. Shock wave and adequan can definitely help. Then you address the source of the inflammation. There's things you can give depending on what's causing the inflammation. Often it's the shoeing. Sometimes injury. Sometimes they need time off. Regardless, the inflammation needs to come out without fail.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | classicpotatochip - 2018-01-04 9:55 PM Welp...as someone who as blown an inordinate amount of oilfield money on everything under the sun as far as supplements and voodoo $h1+, I will be the first to say that the only thing I've had any real results from is spending a fortune on good shoers, a fortune on the best veterinary care, a fortune on good tack, a fortune on dentists, a fortune on clinics, a fortune on good alfalfa hay, a fortune on good rice bran, and spending real time with my guys so I know instantly when something isn't right. I also bust my butt at the gym to be the best partner I can be. There's no nutritional replacement for injections. Sorry, but there isn't. The inflammation has to come out, and it has to come out now. Shock wave and adequan can definitely help. Then you address the source of the inflammation. There's things you can give depending on what's causing the inflammation. Often it's the shoeing. Sometimes injury. Sometimes they need time off. Regardless, the inflammation needs to come out without fail. If there's a black magic herb that can cause one to go in and turn first barrel like Sister, I want to know about it and will pay for the privilege.
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| I'm not a nay sayer of herbal supplements and I do think they can be helpful in supporting the whole health of a horse in conjunction with a good nutritional program, conditioning program and vet care. I'm always skeptical of these companies standing to make a profit from the testing. Has anyone ever gotten back a nope your horse is good doesn't need anything? Probably not.
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| iloveequine40 - 2018-01-07 8:43 AM I'm not a nay sayer of herbal supplements and I do think they can be helpful in supporting the whole health of a horse in conjunction with a good nutritional program, conditioning program and vet care. I'm always skeptical of these companies standing to make a profit from the testing. Has anyone ever gotten back a nope your horse is good doesn't need anything? Probably not. Look at the labels, research the herbs and mix your own it's a fraction of the cost. That's what I do. I was doing some reading on HHA. I found this blog from a vet in Texas that his primary practice seems to be HHA, here is part of the blog addressing negative test results: “It is surprisingly common for a horse to show normal on a first HHA test but then reveal a high level of a heavy metal on a retest. It means the horse had a “Hidden Heavy Metal Toxicity” indicating that there were more heavy metals in the body than were showing during the first test. This can actually be a good sign if a horse’s HHA Retest goes from normal to toxic when they are on the HHA Personal Supplement. The chelation ingredients have enabled the horse to start detoxing the metals. It is important to continue the chelation to be sure the horse” So what is the point of his $185 analysis test if he is going to tell you to treat anyway? And how does he make a personal formula for your horse if it tested negative? Maybe off of symptoms, but that sure seems like a guess. I do agree alternative therapies can work well when accompanied by good vet care.
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