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Location: 31 lengths farms | I'd maybe have her ultrasounded for stones, kidney or intestine if she starts to show signs again.
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little_bug - 2018-01-14 5:38 PM Liana D - 2018-01-14 10:19 AM Two other things that will cause those symptoms: Bots Tapeworms Good to know! Thank you. We did have bad bots this year but I worm regularly. In fact I did last week.
It doesn’t matter how good of a working program you have. If a horses immune system is compromised, they can end up with a severe worm infestation. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | SKM - 2018-01-15 4:46 PM Silly Filly - 2018-01-15 9:19 AM little_bug - 2018-01-14 5:38 PM Liana D - 2018-01-14 10:19 AM Two other things that will cause those symptoms: Bots Tapeworms Good to know! Thank you. We did have bad bots this year but I worm regularly. In fact I did last week. It doesn’t matter how good of a working program you have. If a horses immune system is compromised, they can end up with a severe worm infestation.
Could the OP have a fecal test done to confirm an infestation? |
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Location: California | I am curious if there is an underlying issue that will cause this problem again. I guess time will tell. You can definitely bet I have a load of grass hay mixed with my alfalfa now LOL. |
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Location: Texas | little_bug - 2018-01-15 7:37 PM I am curious if there is an underlying issue that will cause this problem again. I guess time will tell. You can definitely bet I have a load of grass hay mixed with my alfalfa now LOL.
Just a thought, is this horse 5 panel negative? |
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Location: Texas | little_bug - 2018-01-14 9:37 AM
My 5 year old mare started stretching out Wednesday. Extremely far (like a dramatic gelding going to pee) - no other symptoms. I thought maybe she was sore from getting rode quite a bit so I gave her Thursday off. Friday morning I pull her out of her stall and bring her to the sale barn I work at. She starts standing stretched out again and is ignoring her alfalfa. (DIET: Alfalfa and Platinum) I watch her for a little bit - call my vet and ask some questions and then she starts getting colicy. Pawing, biting her sides, and eventually starts wanting to go down. Banamine her and its good for about 4 hours and she is back at it. Take her to the vet. All vitals normal, no sand in fecal, no temp, heart rate and resp normal, palpates normal. Gut sounds normal. She is STILL (Sunday) pooping and peeing. They tube her and tie her up and say she is good to go home. Few minutes later while still at vet she is down again. They look at her some more and are confused - sedate her and give her muscle relaxer and more banamine and I take her home (late at this point). She is drinking water. Early the next morning back at it. Stretching out to the point she goes off balance and almost falls down. I take her back to vet. All vitals still perfectly normal. Palpates normal. They run blood - completely normal other than a few little differences that go with a colicy horse.
So vet thinks Enterolith. She has been on her Alfalfa and Platinum diet for not even 3 weeks yet. Before that it was turn out and grass hay with occasional alfalfa - previous owner was the same. I feel like that is not enough time for something so dramatic to occur but I am seeking others opinions. Surgery is not an option for this situation right now. I am trying to work with the money I have. I understand he can try to confirm enterolith with x-rays but he did say once in awhile you miss it with an x-ray and it is $400 for a "maybe". He didn't believe ultrasound would show anything. I told myself I would give it 24 more hours last night. I have her on banamine more than I should but I will not let her suffer. This horse WANTS to live though. She whinnies when she sees me, perky, and the toughest grittiest horse I have ever owned. I am so frustrated and upset and just want to reach out and see if anyone has ANY ideas or thoughts. I have worked for several vets and owned several colics and have never seen a horse stretch out like this or be so "normal" while in so much pain.
Sorry, let me rephrase.. I'm surprised an ultrasound wasn't done during the initial colic workup. I wanted to clarify and ask if an US was never done, or he didnt want to repeat it?
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Location: Texas | SKM - 2018-01-14 10:44 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-01-14 9:33 AM
cheryl makofka - 2018-01-14 10:11 AM I would suspect an inverted colon, and vet can flip it without surgery, if they know what they are doing. She could also have bleeding ulcers, I have one who was acting colicky took her to the vet immediately got a phone call 3 days later saying she was bleeding out and he didn't think she would survive. I would suggest having the vet give her iv omeprazole. And yes enterolith is a huge possibility.
Some do have to have surgery for a displaced colon, Dr. Huffman is one of the best and he did everything he could befor he and Dr.Martin decided surgery was the only way to help. The rolling helps for some but in my gelding's case it didnt help.
Sidekick displaced twice. The first time ended in surgery and a belly dump. The second time they were able to shrink his spleen with drugs and jog the colon back into place. So yep...sometimes they still have to do surgery on a displacement. Especially if there ends up being a lot of matter in the intestines from the displacement not allowing them to pass manure.
Nephrosplenic entrapments can sometimes be corrected with rolling. a right dorsal displacement usually requires surgery but sometimes with fasting and patience for those who can't afford it they can get better. There was one horse I was sure would die, owner took home, and he ran out in the pasture and bred a mare and got better. It was a weird deal. LOL. |
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Location: Texas | Also, horses can colic with normal heart rates. Horses can pass manure and still be impacted or strangulated or pick your poison... If there is a "rule of thumb" a horse can defy it. It's their job. |
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Location: Arkansas | casualdust07 - 2018-01-15 8:30 PM
Also, horses can colic with normal heart rates. Horses can pass manure and still be impacted or strangulated or pick your poison... If there is a "rule of thumb" a horse can defy it. It's their job.
And they're dang good at that job!!! |
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| casualdust07 - 2018-01-15 8:30 PM
Also, horses can colic with normal heart rates. Horses can pass manure and still be impacted or strangulated or pick your poison... If there is a "rule of thumb" a horse can defy it. It's their job.
Boy, that's no lie! Last year, after an impaction, my pony pooped - died anyway. |
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Location: California | Okay, going to answer a few people's responses at one.
Stride - I do not believe she has been tested - she is an 800 pound cutting bred horse. I don't have her papers in hand at the moment but should shortly.
casualdust07 - No ultrasound was done because I was working with a tighter budget and when speaking to both vets that looked at her they didn't feel that an ultrasound would show them anything they needed to see. She did do a lot of rolling Saturday night that could have easily moved her insides around enough to correct an issue. Impaction was definitely on the list still - her poops were a bit smaller so I did keep wondering about it (off feed for several days as well) but Sunday morning they were back to normal sized and she has been consistant since then so it is possible she passed an impaction.
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Location: Texas | little_bug - 2018-01-16 9:28 AM
Okay, going to answer a few people's responses at one.
Stride - I do not believe she has been tested - she is an 800 pound cutting bred horse. I don't have her papers in hand at the moment but should shortly.
casualdust07 - No ultrasound was done because I was working with a tighter budget and when speaking to both vets that looked at her they didn't feel that an ultrasound would show them anything they needed to see. She did do a lot of rolling Saturday night that could have easily moved her insides around enough to correct an issue. Impaction was definitely on the list still - her poops were a bit smaller so I did keep wondering about it (off feed for several days as well) but Sunday morning they were back to normal sized and she has been consistant since then so it is possible she passed an impaction.
That clears it up! Thanks. |
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Location: Arkansas | little_bug - 2018-01-16 9:28 AM
Okay, going to answer a few people's responses at one.
Stride - I do not believe she has been tested - she is an 800 pound cutting bred horse. I don't have her papers in hand at the moment but should shortly.
casualdust07 - No ultrasound was done because I was working with a tighter budget and when speaking to both vets that looked at her they didn't feel that an ultrasound would show them anything they needed to see. She did do a lot of rolling Saturday night that could have easily moved her insides around enough to correct an issue. Impaction was definitely on the list still - her poops were a bit smaller so I did keep wondering about it (off feed for several days as well) but Sunday morning they were back to normal sized and she has been consistant since then so it is possible she passed an impaction.
Is she still good tonight? |
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Location: California | Chandler's Mom - 2018-01-16 4:13 PM little_bug - 2018-01-16 9:28 AM Okay, going to answer a few people's responses at one.
Stride - I do not believe she has been tested - she is an 800 pound cutting bred horse. I don't have her papers in hand at the moment but should shortly.
casualdust07 - No ultrasound was done because I was working with a tighter budget and when speaking to both vets that looked at her they didn't feel that an ultrasound would show them anything they needed to see. She did do a lot of rolling Saturday night that could have easily moved her insides around enough to correct an issue. Impaction was definitely on the list still - her poops were a bit smaller so I did keep wondering about it (off feed for several days as well) but Sunday morning they were back to normal sized and she has been consistant since then so it is possible she passed an impaction.
Is she still good tonight?
So far yes. She seems a tiny bit lethargic but I am guessing that is possibly from such little food since Friday am.
QUESTION: Is there anything I can give her on top of grass hay right now to help with the digestive system? Preferably something I can go get from the feed stores. She was on Platinum and wondeirng if I can put her back on that too. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | When you dewormed her how long was it befor she started showing signs of colic after being dewormed? Just wondering  |
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Location: California | Wormed January 2nd, Started colicing January 10th. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | little_bug - 2018-01-17 10:53 AM Wormed January 2nd, Started colicing January 10th.
I wonder if the time frame for the "colic" was when and/or if the worms starting dying?
Just a thought. |
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Location: California | 3canstorun - 2018-01-17 7:20 AM little_bug - 2018-01-17 10:53 AM Wormed January 2nd, Started colicing January 10th. I wonder if the time frame for the "colic" was when and/or if the worms starting dying?
Just a thought.
She has been wormed regularly. And I haven't seen a single parasite in her fecal matter what so ever. I know they aren't all visible. Always possible. Right now the list os causes are a mile long. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | little_bug - 2018-01-17 11:34 AM 3canstorun - 2018-01-17 7:20 AM little_bug - 2018-01-17 10:53 AM Wormed January 2nd, Started colicing January 10th. I wonder if the time frame for the "colic" was when and/or if the worms starting dying?
Just a thought.
Just curious - what is your regular dewormer? And what did you use that time? |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | 3canstorun - 2018-01-17 10:50 AM little_bug - 2018-01-17 11:34 AM 3canstorun - 2018-01-17 7:20 AM little_bug - 2018-01-17 10:53 AM Wormed January 2nd, Started colicing January 10th. I wonder if the time frame for the "colic" was when and/or if the worms starting dying?
Just a thought.
I am curious as well.
Good rule of thumb is to switch up active ingredients so the parasites don't get a resistance.
My schedule is as follows to give you an idea:
January: Strongid (Pyrantel Pamoate)
March: Ivermectin
May: Moxidectin (Quest)
July: (Ivermectin)
September: Oxibendazole (Anthelcide)
November: Ivermectin with Fenbendazole (Equimax)
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