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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I love the idea of an outcross, who wouldn't. But it would have to be proven to be successful either himself or more importantly as a sire. And to do that, you need the big buyers/trainers/riders to take a chance on something. That isn't going to happen when the value is there with the FWF, FG, DTF etc. We get a few new ones that do have some of the same blood but in a different way-First Moonflash is a big one, Ivory James and of course the sons of the greats that are out of mares that might offer a new kind of blood.
I would love to have direct get of FWF! I don't care how many are out there, he crosses on just about any kind of mare and that is what makes him such a super sire. People with the money to spend, aren't going to walk away from those odds. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:14 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. Whoa your salty still over that other post huh But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world? I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him. 
Just curious and I am too lazy to look - how many winners has Doc's Reckless had? And, how many different riders? Has he himself been consistent in the pen?
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:14 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. Whoa your salty still over that other post huh But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world? I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him.
Barrel Futurity money will show up in equistats reports.
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| 3canstorun - 2018-02-02 10:20 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:14 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense.  There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do.  Whoa your salty still over that other post huh But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world? I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him.
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4 people have won on him the two daughters and then Carl himself plus I think they let someone borrow him
If someone would pull those Equistat reports it would be helpful!!
HM Corner stone
Docs Reckless
are you ones I can name off the top of my head
Also the last Nik Dell colts to go though sales averaged 12k I can't remember what years at the BFA someone help me?
RLJ High Intensity sure brought the price of Streakin Again colts up in recent years. Two were in the slot race at Kinder last night.
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| 1DSoon - 2018-02-02 10:22 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:14 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense.  There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do.  Whoa your salty still over that other post huh But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world? I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him.
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| runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:14 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. Whoa your salty still over that other post huh But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world? I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him.
lol, 1st you aren't that memorable. I don't even know what you are taking about. 2nd, I'm not offended at all. Everybody has different tastes, thats great. 3rd I'm in the business and have been for a few years, its a pretty steep learning curve, I only share what I have learned. I hate to see people waste thier time and money looking to re-create the wheel. Someone might get lucky down the road, but its pretty unlikely. |
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| Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:27 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:14 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense.  There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do.  Whoa your salty still over that other post huh But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world? I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him.
Please give evidence of them selling for less than breeding costs then because I don't understand why you would comment that?
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Location: NE Texas | Here in N Texas at just about any jackpot you're more than likely to find one out of Jesses Double Dee - 1D barrel horse and she did well roping off of him as well.
I don't see anything on his pedigree that falls in the 'puddle'.
Beautiful buckskin to boot! Wish I had one...
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| Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:27 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:14 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense.  There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do.  Whoa your salty still over that other post huh But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world? I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him.
I understand what you are saying about recreating the wheel but what if every time that wheel was used, it got smaller. Would you worry about running out of wheel? Nah mean?
And yeah, it’s been talked about that it would take someone with the $$$ to step out there to do the wheel recreating you speak of lol. Definitely not someone like me. Just a thought about the narrow options of stallions with big resale value. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If you think Whiteboy is being salty move on and ignore, hes giving his opinion just like you and the op. You look like your trying to start something. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:24 AM 1DSoon - 2018-02-02 10:22 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:14 AM RoaniePonie11 - 2018-02-02 10:09 AM runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:07 AM Whiteboy - 2018-02-02 10:03 AM And half of those you can't even sell the baby for your breeding expense. There is a reason for a well defined gene pool...they are good at what they do. Whoa your salty still over that other post huh But to answer your question find me a Nik Dell, Streakin Again, or Docs Gettin Reckless for less that breeding to it and I **** sure will buy it because i'm lookin! I guess I should assume Whiteboy owns a stallion bred the way we are discussing? Or is into the breeding business? This post is not out to offend anyone. Just maybe to open some minds. I don’t know how others feel but I see “line breeding” at the end of this tunnel. He has one with cow lines and got salty on another post when I said I didn't like cow x race combos I think he got his panties in a twist He also brings up pulling equistat reports whenever I post but....everything i post has barrel earnings especially in the futurity world? I don't know why hes so salty I don't mean to be offense and have tried to ignore him.
Exactly please post reports for the stallions mentioned!
I missunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were saying there was no equistat because it was barrel fut.
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| Also we are talking about lesser known unadvertised stallions that aren't even at stud farms with unpopular lines.
The cost of buying or breeding is going to be low. The ones I posted are proven themselves and have offspring with earnings. Each stud produced at least more than one and have a very low volume ratio on their foals to earnings. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:51 AM Also we are talking about lesser known unadvertised stallions that aren't even at stud farms with unpopular lines. The cost of buying or breeding is going to be low. The ones I posted are proven themselves and have offspring with earnings. Each stud produced at least more than one and have a very low volume ratio on their foals to earnings.
Maybe it's just our definition of successful that is different.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-02-02 10:36 AM
If you think Whiteboy is being salty move on and ignore, hes giving his opinion just like you and the op. You look like your trying to start something.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
I feel like both of these were salty. I don't see why I was attacked on this thread about stallions tho? I posted bloodlines out of the gene puddle because thats the thread. They won't be very high sellers but both stud is proven and so are the babies, they are good producers especially for the amount of foals on the ground. Not being at big stud farms and not being bred to blue hen mares.
Also they have good honest people trying to prove the genetics behind them!
Not starting anything just trying to see why I was attacked? |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:59 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-02-02 10:36 AM If you think Whiteboy is being salty move on and ignore, hes giving his opinion just like you and the op. You look like your trying to start something. http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid... http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid... I feel like both of these were salty. I don't see why I was attacked on this thread about stallions tho? I posted bloodlines out of the gene puddle because thats the thread. They won't be very high sellers but both stud is proven and so are the babies, they are good producers especially for the amount of foals on the ground. Not being at big stud farms and not being bred to blue hen mares. Also they have good honest people trying to prove the genetics behind them! Not starting anything just trying to see why I was attacked?
if by salty you mean right then I guess you have a point, that WB is being salty.
And it would appear from an outsiders perspective you are the one doing most of the attacking.
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Location: OH | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:59 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-02-02 10:36 AM If you think Whiteboy is being salty move on and ignore, hes giving his opinion just like you and the op. You look like your trying to start something. http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid... http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid... I feel like both of these were salty. I don't see why I was attacked on this thread about stallions tho? I posted bloodlines out of the gene puddle because thats the thread. They won't be very high sellers but both stud is proven and so are the babies, they are good producers especially for the amount of foals on the ground. Not being at big stud farms and not being bred to blue hen mares. Also they have good honest people trying to prove the genetics behind them! Not starting anything just trying to see why I was attacked?
I am sorry, but I have been on this forum for a long long time and have seen people attacked---I went back and read those and did not take those as being attacked. I looked at it as giving an opinion. |
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| 1DSoon - 2018-02-02 10:55 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:51 AM Also we are talking about lesser known unadvertised stallions that aren't even at stud farms with unpopular lines. The cost of buying or breeding is going to be low. The ones I posted are proven themselves and have offspring with earnings. Each stud produced at least more than one and have a very low volume ratio on their foals to earnings.
Maybe it's just our definition of successful that is different.Â
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Outcrosses are good in general but it's also possible to breed proven sires, producers and performers, on the outside of the wheel who have slightly less common lines. Bullseye Bullion is one of these that would cross well on a DTF or ASOF or FWF or FG because he has none of those on his papers. And while some of the race breds will have common lines back three or four generations, that doesn't strike me as terribly line bred. And you discount the fact that a select group of buyers actually like a little smart line breeding here and there. At the end of the day, most breeders have to make a buck and don't want to gamble with their best mares. They want the best prospect or resale for their investment. It's good business. And let's be honest, those lines WIN.
I would certainly not mind seeing a nice complete outcross come into our industry but at some point he would just become part of the wheel too. If it is that big of a deal, there's lots of nice weanling colts sold every spring and summer. Buy one and give us and prove that outcross and then we can all come to you. :) |
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| Mighty Broke - 2018-02-02 11:04 AM
runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 11:59 AM Southtxponygirl - 2018-02-02 10:36 AM If you think Whiteboy is being salty move on and ignore, hes giving his opinion just like you and the op. You look like your trying to start something. http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid... http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid... I feel like both of these were salty. I don't see why I was attacked on this thread about stallions tho? I posted bloodlines out of the gene puddle because thats the thread. They won't be very high sellers but both stud is proven and so are the babies, they are good producers especially for the amount of foals on the ground. Not being at big stud farms and not being bred to blue hen mares. Also they have good honest people trying to prove the genetics behind them! Not starting anything just trying to see why I was attacked?
Maybe your right i'm just being sensitive I apologize. I feel passionately about those stallions and the people that own them tho! |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | runfastturnsmooth - 2018-02-02 10:59 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-02-02 10:36 AM
If you think Whiteboy is being salty move on and ignore, hes giving his opinion just like you and the op. You look like your trying to start something.
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
http://forums.barrelhorseworld.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid...
I feel like both of these were salty. I don't see why I was attacked on this thread about stallions tho? I posted bloodlines out of the gene puddle because thats the thread. They won't be very high sellers but both stud is proven and so are the babies, they are good producers especially for the amount of foals on the ground. Not being at big stud farms and not being bred to blue hen mares.
Also they have good honest people trying to prove the genetics behind them!
Not starting anything just trying to see why I was attacked?
Yes, and lots of good honest people have proven the bloodlines behind some of the more successful sires. It is possible to be honest AND want to be smart with your money and mare by breeding to proven and successful bloodlines. |
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