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          Location: South Georgia | I cannot. That looks to be another $1500. The vet also offered an MRI, but without her being insured, I can't afford that either. |
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| rodeolife - 2018-03-12 8:30 AM
Β Plasvaac has been posting on FB that they are desperate for more horses in their donor herd. she meets the age criteria. it would likely be a better life for her than she would end up with if put on craigslist or anything like that. I think they are in CA so you would have to figure out how to get here there.Β
Templeton, CA next to my home town. My brother is their farrier. |
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     Location: Canada | Have you spoken to the previous owners about how she was with them and her lameness? I agree with a previous poster that sometimes (not always) when we try to change their feet for the better it actually makes things worse long term.
If she's been sore and hasn't been moving have you tried massage and stretching to see if it loosens her up. You mentioned she got cinchy and so you changed her to indoor board with turnout and after that she got worse. Some horses simply do not do well inside for any length of time can you try having her on 24/7 turnout.
Have you discussed with your vet giving her mild pain/muscle meds for 15 to 30 days to see if it helps to loosen her up at all?
It sounds like the more things you try to change (for the better) the worse it's getting so I'd see if you can go back to keeping it as simple as possible.
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   Location: Texas | I have had a similar experience with my 12 year old gelding that I raised and trained. He had never gone a full year without some type of mystery lameness. I finally did all I could financially for him as far as shoeing & vet procedures. I put him on Equioxx and started legging him up. He feels reasonably sound on the straights, but lame in tight circles. But this horse LOVES working a barrel. So I do very little circle work with him, and keep him in the best shape I can with lots of long trotting and galloping. Be darned if this horse doesn't feel better the more in shape he gets. If I don't ride him for a day or two, he doesn't feel as good. But rode every day he feels awesome. I made the first run on him this past weekend in a year and he out ran my good horse! But if he shows me the slightest bit that he doesn't want to continue then I will retire him. But I had to give it one final try to see if he will hold up. I feel your pain. And I am sure you will do what you feel is best for both you and the horse. |
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   Location: bring on the heat, NV | Ive only got two suggestions if your hitting the point to let her go. Call some repro clinics and see if they need recipient mares. They dont pay alot only 500-750.00 but she'd get to raise a papered baby for someone else and they're generally well taken care of. Also could she work for a walk/trot horse for youth to show? Try tuning her up for that direction. Or just a walk/trot trail horse with full disclosure of her issues. There are always a few folks looking for slow and steady broke trail horses. |
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| Sorry to hear what you are going thru. We try to hard and put so much into our horses. Do you have any relatives or friends that has a big open pasture that you could turn her out? Pull shoes and just let her be a horse for a while and hope her body heals itself. That way you could possible get another horse to ride in the mean time. |
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          Location: South Georgia | Thank you all for your suggestions. I tried to ride her yesterday and within 5 steps, I knew it wasn't good. I have always been able to feel it better than I can see it. I made it about 50 feet and then got off and lunged her instead to see her movement. At this time, she is barely walking sound under saddle. Now, on the ground with no rider, you cant really tell anything. |
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          Location: South Georgia | lilpeppy - 2018-03-12 12:43 PM Sorry to hear what you are going thru. We try to hard and put so much into our horses. Do you have any relatives or friends that has a big open pasture that you could turn her out? Pull shoes and just let her be a horse for a while and hope her body heals itself. That way you could possible get another horse to ride in the mean time.
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          Location: South Georgia | moapajetrider - 2018-03-12 12:38 PM Ive only got two suggestions if your hitting the point to let her go. Call some repro clinics and see if they need recipient mares. They dont pay alot only 500-750.00 but she'd get to raise a papered baby for someone else and they're generally well taken care of. Also could she work for a walk/trot horse for youth to show? Try tuning her up for that direction. Or just a walk/trot trail horse with full disclosure of her issues. There are always a few folks looking for slow and steady broke trail horses.
I'd rather give her to someone that will care for her than try to make a dime off of her at this point. I love this mare. So, I don't mind not getting the money at all. I'll look into the recip mare thing. Thank you. |
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          Location: South Georgia | RunNitroRun - 2018-03-12 12:00 PM Have you spoken to the previous owners about how she was with them and her lameness? I agree with a previous poster that sometimes (not always) when we try to change their feet for the better it actually makes things worse long term. If she's been sore and hasn't been moving have you tried massage and stretching to see if it loosens her up. You mentioned she got cinchy and so you changed her to indoor board with turnout and after that she got worse. Some horses simply do not do well inside for any length of time can you try having her on 24/7 turnout. Have you discussed with your vet giving her mild pain/muscle meds for 15 to 30 days to see if it helps to loosen her up at all? It sounds like the more things you try to change (for the better) the worse it's getting so I'd see if you can go back to keeping it as simple as possible.
I'm not sure I can trust what I've been told of her past health. I have asked. |
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | horsegirl - 2018-03-12 6:52 AM I bought an 8 year old mare last February. A couple weeks after purchase, she was slightly off in her cadence when loping to the right (clockwise), but she was pretty sound. She was due for a shoeing reset, and I knew her hooves needed work as it was clear they were not properly cared for and/or shod. My farrier is excellent and started to correct her underrun and contracted heels. I was working with her on a lot of collection and rounding, so I attributed this behavior possibly to the new muscle development and her hooves.
By June, she was too lame at a lope to continue riding. She was showing signs of discomfort that she hadn't exhibited before. I had a thorough lameness exam done in July and had both hocks injected. I also asked to keep her on Pentosan for maintenance. These made no change in her lameness.
In September, I had another vet look at her and he made a chiropractice adjustment to her hip. She was sound and not lame for 2 months after this. I had my horse back.
Then, in October she got bucky and cinchy and miserable and went off her grain. I had her teeth done and they suspected ulcers. I treated with a round of Abgard (generic Ulcergard) and switched her to stall board with turnout so she could have alfalfa nightly to help. Ulcers went away. I kept her on preventative meds to keep them away and kept her on stall board at night with alfalfa. During the ulcer treatment, she became lame on left and/or right front.
In January, I had our local vet out and he identified sensitivity in right front and went ahead and injected her left hind hock again.
In February I took her to a lameness specialist in Ocala and they did a 5 hour lameness exam with radiographs after blocks of front hooves. They identified navicular changes. He also said something was going on with hind left hock, but I couldn't afford to do more radiographs. We gave OsPhos for the navicular changes, had wedged shoes applied at the clinic, and waited 5 weeks.
Now, still exactly the same lameness as before, and bouncing around on her hips rather than moving independently at a lope. This is after having the last 5 months off!
This horse has been sound 5 of the 13 months I have owned her. I have spent several thousand in vet expenses. She is unregistered. What can I do? I am sure she is fixable, but I cannot continue to pour money into her. How do I go about finding her a home? I really do not want to have to put her down. She is absolutely stunning, fancy fancy broke (!), and in perfect shape.
Thoughts?
Lonely va barrelxr gave the best advice. The mare was sound when you bought her, then decided her angles were off so did corrected shoeing that made her really sore now lame, do what Loney ve barrelxr said and give her time off and get a second opinion from another vet and have a different shoer give his/her opinion on what to do to help this mare. |
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          Location: South Georgia | I totally understand. I have had 3 vets assess her, the last being the lameness expert I travelled quite a distance to visit. All agreed that her feet were being handled appropriately and my farrier is very well respected. If I had means to turn her out and just let her be, I would, but I do not. I board. The angles were not changed until 5 weeks ago. Before then pads were just applied to protect thin soles and the shoe was set slightly wide to let the heels spread. The wedged shoes were what would change the angle and that was applied at the specialist once we had radiographs to identify the exact angles.
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         Location: Louisiana | TBone - 2018-03-12 11:18 AM
I have had a similar experience with my 12 year old gelding that I raised and trained.Β He had never gone a full year without some type of mystery lameness.Β I finally did all I could financially for him as far as shoeing & vet procedures.Β I put him on Equioxx and started legging him up.Β He feels reasonably sound on the straights, but lame in tight circles.Β But this horse LOVES working a barrel.Β So I do very little circle work with him, and keep him in the best shape I can with lots of long trotting and galloping.Β Be darned if this horse doesn't feel better the more in shape he gets.Β If I don't ride him for a day or two, he doesn't feel as good.Β But rode every day he feels awesome.Β I made the first run on him this past weekend in a year and he out ran my good horse!Β But if he shows me the slightest bit that he doesn't want to continue then I will retire him.Β But I had to give it one final try to see if he will hold up.Β I feel your pain.Β And I am sure you will do what you feel is best for both you and the horse.
I'm doing the exact same thing with my 16yo gelding...he's my number 1 and has been run 4 times since January of 2016.
This go around is my last effort to get and keep him sound, and he's the same as yours...the more I ride the sounder he gets, but getting past those first few rides can be tough. The day I committed to get him back in shape, he limped for 2 weeks afterward...
But we're a few rides in now and he's been holding up. The CurOst seems to be helping him feel better.
My plan is to ride him for about a month and if he feels pretty good, no gimp or anything, I'll pay all the $$$$ for the injections I know he needs to be able to perform. Then up his workouts and go from there.
I promised hubby this year would be the last ditch effort...if he isn't sound after this summer I'll just retire him as a pasture pet. |
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     Location: Jersey Girl | Have you tried more chiropractic adjustments? Some horses need regular adjustments. Not saying this will cure anything but you said she was sound for 2 months before showing sore again. |
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         Location: Bandera, TX | I feel your pain. I have two horses that are just sitting there due to injuries, etc. I spent a fortune on these two with no effect. I won't sell them as I am afraid they will end up on the kill truck. I either feed them or put them down, and I can't get myself to putting them down.
Just want to throw one more thing at you: Have you looked into EPM? EPM can do all kinds of strange things, including lamness issues. |
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          Location: South Georgia | fulltiltfilly - 2018-03-12 1:01 PM Have you tried more chiropractic adjustments? Some horses need regular adjustments. Not saying this will cure anything but you said she was sound for 2 months before showing sore again. Yes, those have been sprinkled in as well. No change this time in soundness after adjustments. Massage/body work helps for days (not with the soundness, so much, but at least with the visible muscling from her body trying to compensate) but the body reverts pretty quickly.
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| ?I have a gelding that i have put alot of money into as well he has lots of problems navicular, hock, hip, and shoulder problems and is alot of maintance even though i do very light riding he is very grumpy (most of the time) but is highly trained and is broke .. This year i have made a point that if he is lame cannot ride him like i want i am going to either put him down or find a home for him (he will not end up in a bad situation!) However i though of a horse psychic just to see if they might have something to say that would help..... it couldnt hurt |
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       Location: Southern Indiana | horsegirl - 2018-03-12 11:44 AM
Thank you all for your suggestions. I tried to ride her yesterday and within 5 steps, I knew it wasn't good. I have always been able to feel it better than I can see it. I made it about 50 feet and then got off and lunged her instead to see her movement. At this time, she is barely walking sound under saddle. Now, on the ground with no rider, you cant really tell anything.Β
What are you considering not sound at a walk? Does she just bobble isnβt it full out obviously lame? If she just bobbles some at a trot she could still make a trail horse. We have a mare that I tried to make a barrel horse out of...came up lame eventually and my grandpa took her as a trail horse. After a couple years she doesnβt limp anymore at a trot like she used to. He rides pretty regularly but nothing hard. Only goes camping a few times a year. Hopefully you can find some that could get some use out of her.... |
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          Location: South Georgia | TheDutchMan01 - 2018-03-12 1:19 PM horsegirl - 2018-03-12 11:44 AM Thank you all for your suggestions. I tried to ride her yesterday and within 5 steps, I knew it wasn't good. I have always been able to feel it better than I can see it. I made it about 50 feet and then got off and lunged her instead to see her movement. At this time, she is barely walking sound under saddle. Now, on the ground with no rider, you cant really tell anything. What are you considering not sound at a walk? Does she just bobble isn’t it full out obviously lame? If she just bobbles some at a trot she could still make a trail horse. We have a mare that I tried to make a barrel horse out of...came up lame eventually and my grandpa took her as a trail horse. After a couple years she doesn’t limp anymore at a trot like she used to. He rides pretty regularly but nothing hard. Only goes camping a few times a year. Hopefully you can find some that could get some use out of her.... An obvious odd torquing of her weight as she takes steps at a walk. Pinned ears. On lunge at a trot, lameness in hind end with hopping weirdness. At lope, bucking between the hopping (both legs landing together kind of) and sticking head to outside. And she tries her hardest not to have to go counter clockwise on the lunge. She never did this before when she was sound.
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