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| dashnlotti - 2018-04-03 10:10 AM
GLP - 2018-04-03 10:00 AM
I have been to barrel races where buy backs weren't advertised, but suddenly DURING the race they announce they are doing buy backs and it was after a well known 1D rider knocked. That does make me mad.
While I don't mind buy backs, THAT would tick me off!!
I would voice my opinion, and be done with that producer.
That producer is known for losing her s*#t when people question her, so I just don't go to hers. Interestingly, that 1D rider rarely does buy backs any more. When they first came out with buy backs, lots of people did it, but when I do go to help a friend, there aren't as many any more. |
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Location: CTX | I am on the fence about it. Actually used it once myself. My horse just acted like a plain ol' fool in the run and I was going to do an after race exhibition when I found out they did buy backs. ( Never read the rules before the race...) So I did that to make him work correctly.
Now if it wasn't advertised before hand and then implemented during the race I would not like it.
Now, the argument that a buy back can bump you out can be looked at from the other side also... What if you are out of the $$ and a buy back run puts you in... I kinda see it as some people run multiple horses.
But if my horse runs good and I mess up I will not use it. Not fair to my horse.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I don’t like it for obvious reasons, but some obviously think it’s good for business. We don’t really pay that much attention to whether or not there are buybacks. Unless you are consistently at the top of the 1D, it probably doesn’t have much effect, at the end of the day. If someone makes a 1D winning run on a buyback, it might actually help you, if you are bumped from the bottom of the 1D to top of the 2D, etc.... I don’t like mulligans, in general. If you don’t like them, b!tching at the pay window while paying entry fees doesn’t help.
If enough people pick another jackpot that doesn’t have them, I think the trend would drift away. In other words, as with any other business, you can let your pocket book send a message.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Not a fan of them myself. A few years ago at one of the bigger races here someone had a bad run for them, did a buy back and ran again, ended up winning the race and the 3D on the same horse so worked out for them. On one hand I get it, you may haul 12 + hours to get a big race, something goes wrong and if you have the option to buy back it makes sense, but it should be a second side pot or something maybe. |
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I just read the headlines
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| run n rate - 2018-04-03 1:56 PM
Not a fan of them myself. A few years ago at one of the bigger races here someone had a bad run for them, did a buy back and ran again, ended up winning the race and the 3D on the same horse so worked out for them. On one hand I get it, you may haul 12 + hours to get a big race, something goes wrong and if you have the option to buy back it makes sense, but it should be a second side pot or something maybe.
I agree. I think if you do a buy back, the first time should be wiped off the books. |
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| GLP - 2018-04-03 1:59 PM
run n rate - 2018-04-03 1:56 PM
Not a fan of them myself. A few years ago at one of the bigger races here someone had a bad run for them, did a buy back and ran again, ended up winning the race and the 3D on the same horse so worked out for them. On one hand I get it, you may haul 12 + hours to get a big race, something goes wrong and if you have the option to buy back it makes sense, but it should be a second side pot or something maybe.
I agree. I think if you do a buy back, the first time should be wiped off the books.
Yeah.....at least where I’ve seen them if you buy back in you forfeit your first time, or you have to tip to buy back in.
In the case above they might as well just give you the option of entering twice right off the bat... |
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Location: Wild Wild West | Do not like them. I think it is nothing but greed on the producers part. |
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | I don't care one way or the other about buybacks. If its available, its available for everyone who enters so it's not like I am being slighted because I can buy back too if I choose. I have yet to ever buy back...I don't like to run my horse more than once a day. But I don't lose sleep over anyone else doing it. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | casualdust07 - 2018-04-03 3:57 PM I don't care one way or the other about buybacks. If its available, its available for everyone who enters so it's not like I am being slighted because I can buy back too if I choose. I have yet to ever buy back...I don't like to run my horse more than once a day. But I don't lose sleep over anyone else doing it.
Agreed! In the big scheme of things buy backs don't have a big effect on my life. Generally the additional fees go into the pot, so just that much bigger payout. |
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Location: Missouri | I thought the buy backs were only if you had a no time for the first run. No way should someone be able to place twice in the same horse in the ama class. They have them more in the team
Ropings around here. I think a couple of barrel races tried it and it didn't go over! |
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| I'm old school where when you barrel raced it was fastest time won & there was no buy backs or divisions. It took me a little bit to get use to the divisional barrel racing but have come to love it. It gives the people that don't have the division 1 horse a chance to place & draw a check, like a lot of your beginners. It gives an incentive to keep more people in the barrel racing industry.
As far as the buy back, I don't like it. A barrel race should be one run and whatever happens is going to happen. I think it's more about the money in the producers pockets than a barrel racer getting a "2nd chance" to make it right. |
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| I agree with most, I think buybacks are a ridiculous idea. I think you are offered one run, its a little bit of luck, a lot of riding well and not making mistakes. It's what makes this event such a blast to watch. Some of us have a slip and knock a barrel, sure its disappointing but it happens. Life has disappointment. You enter the next run and try again. If your horse is a fool, chances are he will be a fool in the next run, that's what exhibitions are for.
I don't know, the buybacks remind me of where society is headed. One shot, one opportunity and you either capture it or you don't. Then you enter the next one.  |
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Location: Illinois | Ohiobarrelracer - 2018-04-03 6:29 AM
Im not really sure how i feel about it yet. Ill be heading to the Panty Raid Futurity here in a week and this is the first year they are offering it at the show and its kind of confusing to me. i took it as those that did the "buy back" would be in a seperate side pot, thats why you pay the Open fee plus the $100 buy back fee, Or am i understanding this wrong? If it goes along with the open then no i dont agree with it at all because as others have said its not fair to us others that only want our horses to run once.Â
From what I've understood for the Panty Raid, it is on a side pot basis. The open will be normally conducted, being its own race.
For the Rebuy Side pot, you can choose to roll your open time or rerun (go to the office, re-enter, and get your draw #). Rebuy times do not go to the Open and apply only to the rebuy payout. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | stayceem - 2018-04-04 8:45 AM I agree with most, I think buybacks are a ridiculous idea. I think you are offered one run, its a little bit of luck, a lot of riding well and not making mistakes. It's what makes this event such a blast to watch. Some of us have a slip and knock a barrel, sure its disappointing but it happens. Life has disappointment. You enter the next run and try again. If your horse is a fool, chances are he will be a fool in the next run, that's what exhibitions are for. I don't know, the buybacks remind me of where society is headed. One shot, one opportunity and you either capture it or you don't. Then you enter the next one.
Nicey said I think, to me if you want a second, third, fourth shot then bring more horses and run them too ,lol..  |
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Location: Northern California | Competition is where you go out and do your best. If you dont achieve your best, go home and practice some more. I think buy backs are part of the snowflake mentality where little Johnnie or Susie always get another chance.
Edited by Keepkick'n 2018-04-04 10:47 AM
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Location: Wyoming | I say only if it is: 1) advertised before the race 2) a sidepot only, not going in with the main run 3) for those that tipped ONLY
Any other way I saw no. |
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| SC Wrangler - 2018-04-03 6:32 PM
casualdust07 - 2018-04-03 3:57 PM I don't care one way or the other about buybacks. If its available, its available for everyone who enters so it's not like I am being slighted because I can buy back too if I choose. I have yet to ever buy back...I don't like to run my horse more than once a day. But I don't lose sleep over anyone else doing it.
Agreed! Â In the big scheme of things buy backs don't have a big effect on my life. Â Generally the additional fees go into the pot, so just that much bigger payout.Â
This. This. This.
Why in the world does anyone care about somebody getting a buy back????? It’s just another entry, what’s the problem? Everybody gets the same option, sooo....
Somebody who got a buyback this weekend might not do it next weekend, for various reasons.
I’ve bought repeat runs on occasion, when I either felt I could speed one up, or maybe I just needed to go in and slow one down. Expensive exhibition. Sometimes I’ve hauled for eight hours to be there and ****ed if I’m going to leave first barrel on its side without trying again. My business totally either way.
I’ve been at more races with a buy back option than I’ve bought buybacks. My deal.
If I go in and win it on a buy back, people shouldn’t get their panties in a twist, because they could’ve entered up the same as me. If I go in and slow one down because he was being a psycho, and I win the 5D with 10,000 added, welp, I’d chuckle all the way to bank!!
Either way, everyone gets the option. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | classicpotatochip - 2018-04-04 10:56 AM SC Wrangler - 2018-04-03 6:32 PM casualdust07 - 2018-04-03 3:57 PM I don't care one way or the other about buybacks. If its available, its available for everyone who enters so it's not like I am being slighted because I can buy back too if I choose. I have yet to ever buy back...I don't like to run my horse more than once a day. But I don't lose sleep over anyone else doing it. Agreed! In the big scheme of things buy backs don't have a big effect on my life. Generally the additional fees go into the pot, so just that much bigger payout. This. This. This. Why in the world does anyone care about somebody getting a buy back????? It’s just another entry, what’s the problem? Everybody gets the same option, sooo.... Somebody who got a buyback this weekend might not do it next weekend, for various reasons. I’ve bought repeat runs on occasion, when I either felt I could speed one up, or maybe I just needed to go in and slow one down. Expensive exhibition. Sometimes I’ve hauled for eight hours to be there and ****ed if I’m going to leave first barrel on its side without trying again. My business totally either way. I’ve been at more races with a buy back option than I’ve bought buybacks. My deal. If I go in and win it on a buy back, people shouldn’t get their panties in a twist, because they could’ve entered up the same as me. If I go in and slow one down because he was being a psycho, and I win the 5D with 10,000 added, welp, I’d chuckle all the way to bank!! Either way, everyone gets the option.
Alrighty then, lol.. |
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| *sorry, but I dont agree with this. I have no problem with carry overs. if someone wants to run in the youth or senior or whatever and the open, they shouldnt have to make their horse run twice. the classes are always run on the same day so its not like they are getting some sort of advantage of different ground.
Even if the races are on the same day and in the same arena the ground does change. You get a different tractor driver or they don't wet the ground every class. There are changes between classes. Ask the last 30 people who ran at the NHBA world show. The ground changed and they got shafted in that run in the finals. |
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| Keepkick'n - 2018-04-04 10:46 AM
Competition is where you go out and do your best. If you dont achieve your best, go home and practice some more. I think buy backs are part of the snowflake mentality where little Johnnie or Susie always get another chance.
I like the way you put this Keepkick'n! Some people don't have that kind of money to even think about a buy back either like little Johnnie or Susie. Like any competition out there, it should be one shot. Whatever happens is going to happen. If you don't do well or like the outcome, go back home & practice, practice, practice. You don't see them doing this in football, basketball, or any of the olympic sports. You don't see it in any of the rodeo events so why have it in barrel racing? |
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