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Location: South Georgia | I don't understand the holding situation either, quite honestly. Anytime a horse is worked on, their head is tied. That relieves the need for one person. Then, one to hold the foot and the vet to inject is all I see a need for. Whole situation is just odd to me and I don't really believe that 2 vs. 3 people has much to do with her missing the joint and having to poke around with a needle. |
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| horsegirl - 2018-04-09 6:39 AM I don't understand the holding situation either, quite honestly. Anytime a horse is worked on, their head is tied. That relieves the need for one person. Then, one to hold the foot and the vet to inject is all I see a need for. Whole situation is just odd to me and I don't really believe that 2 vs. 3 people has much to do with her missing the joint and having to poke around with a needle.
Agree, my vet has his helper and he usually gives them a light sedative when injecting to keep them still. I would get a new vet |
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Location: Muskogee, OK | The pastern joint, especially when it has remodeling due to arthritis, can be very tricky to get into. The easiest way to access this joint is to do it while holding the limb up. This can be very tricky even for the most experienced veterinarian. USUALLY, you can hold the limb up with one hand and inject with the other. HOWEVER, in a joint with a lot of proliferative bone you sometimes cannot get into the joint in the normal spot you would, and THEREFORE, when attempting to inject one handed this can prove to be very difficult. Of course it is always ideal to be able to have an assistant with you to help with things like this--- that is not always possible for a plethora of reasons that we won't get into here. Please think about all of these things before attacking a veterinarian. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | How is your gelding doing today? |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-09 5:35 PM
How is your gelding doing today?
Very nice of you to ask, thank you! Still lame both directions. Not as bad as he was Saturday. Vet is coming out Thursday to do x rays. She thinks the farrier changed my horses angles and that is what's causing his lameness. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Chandler's Mom - 2018-04-08 10:18 PM I'm opening myself up here for y'all to know how dumb I am about all this---but how many people does it take to do this type injection? Since OP said usually 3 did it but just had 2 this time, I was wondering why do it if there's not enough people for the procedure? Please don't be too harsh with me 
Wow! I've never know it to take 3 people to inject a horse. Hmmm |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | emricmacy - 2018-04-08 1:09 PM total performance - 2018-04-08 1:02 PM Wasn't the injection done before the farrier was out? I'm guessing this is stemming from the injection itself in some way. Yes, injection was done 3/21/18 and farrier was out 4/4/18.
And he was sore right after the injection and still sore when farrier came out? I personally think it stems back to the injection itself not a hot nail. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | emricmacy - 2018-04-09 5:41 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-09 5:35 PM How is your gelding doing today? Very nice of you to ask, thank you! Still lame both directions. Not as bad as he was Saturday. Vet is coming out Thursday to do x rays. She thinks the farrier changed my horses angles and that is what's causing his lameness.
Well I got my fingers crossed for him, I hate that this has happen to him.. Did your farrier ever come out to check him to see if there was a possible hot nail? I feel like your vet is grasping at straws trying to blame the farrier, but wanted to ask is this the same farrier thats been working on your horse since you got him? |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-09 6:49 PM
emricmacy - 2018-04-09 5:41 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-09 5:35 PM How is your gelding doing today? Very nice of you to ask, thank you! Still lame both directions. Not as bad as he was Saturday. Vet is coming out Thursday to do x rays. She thinks the farrier changed my horses angles and that is what's causing his lameness.
The farrier who shod him on 4/4/18 has been shoeing him since October. He did add a slight wedge to his heel for some support.
I asked the vet today if she thought it was a good idea to take a joint fluid sample to see if there is an infection, and she didn't think that was necessary. She has told me more than once that if his joint was infected it would have shown up 24-48 hrs after the injection. I took my dog to the vet Sunday and briefly chatted with him about what is going on, and he said sometimes it takes weeks for the infection to brew and they don't always have a temp and swelling. |
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| total performance - 2018-04-09 6:12 PM
emricmacy - 2018-04-08 1:09 PM total performance - 2018-04-08 1:02 PM Wasn't the injection done before the farrier was out? I'm guessing this is stemming from the injection itself in some way. Yes, injection was done 3/21/18 and farrier was out 4/4/18.
Yes, injection on 3/21/18 which was a Wed, gave him until Sun off, tried riding Sun at a walk/trot and VERY lame. Still lame when farrier shod him on 4/4/18. In the times between 3/21 and 4/4 he was pretty lame, some days fluctuated to where he was slightly better, then got worse again. |
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Location: OH. IO | ide get a different vet,AND FAST |
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Location: Arkansas | Here I go again (I know, sorry!)---is it really expensive to take a sample of the joint fluid? I'm so sorry your poor boy is going thru this. And you too, cause I know we hurt when our four legged kids hurt  |
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Location: Muskogee, OK | emricmacy - 2018-04-09 7:13 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-09 6:49 PM emricmacy - 2018-04-09 5:41 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-09 5:35 PM How is your gelding doing today? Very nice of you to ask, thank you! Still lame both directions. Not as bad as he was Saturday. Vet is coming out Thursday to do x rays. She thinks the farrier changed my horses angles and that is what's causing his lameness. The farrier who shod him on 4/4/18 has been shoeing him since October. He did add a slight wedge to his heel for some support. I asked the vet today if she thought it was a good idea to take a joint fluid sample to see if there is an infection, and she didn't think that was necessary. She has told me more than once that if his joint was infected it would have shown up 24-48 hrs after the injection. I took my dog to the vet Sunday and briefly chatted with him about what is going on, and he said sometimes it takes weeks for the infection to brew and they don't always have a temp and swelling.
Your dog vet is right.... I hate that you are going through this. Hoping you can get some answers soon! I'm thinking at this point a second opinion is warranted. |
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Location: South Georgia | Please stop calling this vet! I'm begging you. It'll be more expensive in the long run. Take this horse to a specialist if you can. We can only go by the things you have described, but I'd never have this vet out again or even consult with her. It's not worth the risk to your horse. |
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Location: Good ole SE Mo | emricmacy - 2018-04-09 7:13 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-09 6:49 PM
emricmacy - 2018-04-09 5:41 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-09 5:35 PM How is your gelding doing today? Very nice of you to ask, thank you! Still lame both directions. Not as bad as he was Saturday. Vet is coming out Thursday to do x rays. She thinks the farrier changed my horses angles and that is what's causing his lameness.
The farrier who shod him on 4/4/18 has been shoeing him since October. He did add a slight wedge to his heel for some support.
I asked the vet today if she thought it was a good idea to take a joint fluid sample to see if there is an infection, and she didn't think that was necessary. She has told me more than once that if his joint was infected it would have shown up 24-48 hrs after the injection. I took my dog to the vet Sunday and briefly chatted with him about what is going on, and he said sometimes it takes weeks for the infection to brew and they don't always have a temp and swelling.
Ok so a few years ago I had a mare get down/hung up in the trailer and pretty much rip her hoof off. Well not quite but she ripped it up so bad I probably should have just put her down right then. But the vet was pretty confident she could at least get her broodmare sound and not in constant pain. I was cool with never running her again. Anyways long story short we battled that foot for a few months going back and forth. She was on the required antibiotics for the correct amount of time. Last time I took her back in cuz I thought something was wrong vet took at x-ray and thought it was probably ok and there was no infection in there. She went back and forth with herself on sticking the joint and pulling fluid. She ended up not because she was afraid of introducing infection if there wasn't any. I'm pretty sure she gave her another round of generic antibiotics. She was looking like a rescue case by this time and before she was healthy/fat. Well my Mom ended up having to have my brother shoot her a couple weeks later cuz she got down and couldn't get back up (of course I was out of town).
Anyways the point of this horror story is to say. If you think there is a slight chance at an infection in there or anything else wrong MAKE them look. Don't just take their word that it should be ok. I should have insisted she stick that foot and check. I honestly believe my mare was fighting a bad infection and her body was just too weak. If I thought she could have made a couple hour trailer ride I should have took her to my good vet. But hindsight and all that. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | horsegirl - 2018-04-10 7:27 AM Please stop calling this vet! I'm begging you. It'll be more expensive in the long run. Take this horse to a specialist if you can. We can only go by the things you have described, but I'd never have this vet out again or even consult with her. It's not worth the risk to your horse.
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Location: Claremore, OK | ^^^^^what others are saying. Anytime you have lameness after an injection (same leg) , whether the horse has a temp or not, the horse needs to go to the vet, (immediately) possibly another vet.
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| Would it be worth it to not put a needle in again to get joint fluid to test and treat with antibiotics to see if he gets better? I know any time going into a joint is invasive, so was wondering if I could treat with antibiotics without testing fluid? |
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Location: Good ole SE Mo | emricmacy - 2018-04-10 2:11 PM
Would it be worth it to not put a needle in again to get joint fluid to test and treat with antibiotics to see if he gets better? I know any time going into a joint is invasive, so was wondering if I could treat with antibiotics without testing fluid?
Probably wouldn't hurt. I know that was the main reason the vet didn't pull any fluid in my case. She was afraid of introducing something and since the mare was already so compromised and weak she just didn't want to chance it. But I don't know if they would need to know to treat it with a specific antibiotic or not? I would definitely talk to a vet, either this one or other one you can trust. |
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Location: Muskogee, OK | emricmacy - 2018-04-10 2:11 PM
Would it be worth it to not put a needle in again to get joint fluid to test and treat with antibiotics to see if he gets better? I know any time going into a joint is invasive, so was wondering if I could treat with antibiotics without testing fluid?
To treat a joint infection you need to put antibiotics directly into the joint, as well as lavage sterile fluid through the joint. So regardless, if you are sticking needles in the joint for that you should also get a fluid sample to confirm infection +/- culture to be able to make appropriate antibiotic selection. |
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