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Location: Dubach, LA | I don’t mind late fee if it’s reasonable. My pet peeve is the ridiculous office fees. Not to Mention the way producers gig barrel racers for stalls and RVs. Find a roper and ask how much they pay for stalls at that same venue. We are just dumb enough to keep paying the rising cost. I choose not to go to the races that are overpriced. |
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| The free enterprise system. We can choose who to do business with and who not to do business. Dislike a service or a product? Shop around...be picky...exercise your right not to buy at all. I choose to do business with producers who charge late fees because I understand it makes their hard work easier. I’ve just always been very appreciative of the fact that they’re people willing to be barrel race producers....it’s always seemed like a thankless job to me and I don’t think it’d be possible to make enough money for me to produce one.
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| runs4fun - 2018-04-13 3:54 PM The free enterprise system. We can choose who to do business with and who not to do business. Dislike a service or a product? Shop around...be picky...exercise your right not to buy at all. I choose to do business with producers who charge late fees because I understand it makes their hard work easier. I’ve just always been very appreciative of the fact that they’re people willing to be barrel race producers....it’s always seemed like a thankless job to me and I don’t think it’d be possible to make enough money for me to produce one. True, producers here have found that 90% of their entries are still thru pre entering even though they can enter the day of with no late fee. Most contestants want to pre enter so they can get a number and not have to be there all day.
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Elite Veteran
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| My problem is high late fees, and then not getting any or all of your money back if you have to scratch. I've been in the situation and known of several that entered, their horse got hurt, had a vet note, KNEW it and told the promotor WEEKS before the show, still entered one of her horses, just not the hurt one, and only got back like 60% of what she had to scratch. She was also responsible for selling her extra stall.
I did the math and the late fee is cheaper than what you lose if you scratch and only get a percent back. SO, I just pay the late fee if I want to go that bad, or choose not to support those promoters.
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| CanCan - 2018-04-13 3:16 PM
I don’t mind late fee if it’s reasonable. My pet peeve is the ridiculous office fees. Not to Mention the way producers gig barrel racers for stalls and RVs. Find a roper and ask how much they pay for stalls at that same venue. We are just dumb enough to keep paying the rising cost. I choose not to go to the races that are overpriced.
Ditto with this post!! $15/day is rediculous for a late fee! Plus these bigger barrel races around me are now charging $75/stall, or a $20 jump out fee, daily fee, office fee, online fee, $8/bag shavings fee some say you MUST buy there, etc.. I'm sorry but not all of us are placing in the top 1D to win all these crazy fees back. It's really taken the fun out of going and enjoying our 2 and 3D horses. Might as well stay local  |
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | I would rather pay late fees than loose my entire entry. There was a pretty big race and the weather was so bad that many contestants could not get there due to flash floods/road closures. the parking and many horses were in standing water no refunds. well that did it for me. |
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| I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too. Jus sayin’.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | runs4fun - 2018-04-15 12:24 PM I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too. Jus sayin’.
As far as I know the producers dont set the fees on the stalls and shavings the facillity that they rent from sits the prices on stalls. Thats why if you do have to get a refund from the race because of a sick or hurt horse you lose your stall money.. I had to pull out of a race at the ANHA years ago because my hore got hurt after paying a early fee, I got a percentage of my money back from the producer but the stall fee was a separate fee.. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-15 12:33 PM runs4fun - 2018-04-15 12:24 PM I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too. Jus sayin’. As far as I know the producers dont set the fees on the stalls and shavings the facillity that they rent from sits the prices on stalls. Thats why if you do have to get a refund from the race because of a sick or hurt horse you lose your stall money.. I had to pull out of a race at the ANHA years ago because my hore got hurt after paying a early fee, I got a percentage of my money back from the producer but the stall fee was a separate fee..
The producers add on to what the facility is charging them, which is why when going to the same venue you can have different stall costs with different producers, it might be 20/night with one and 30/night with another. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rodeomom3 - 2018-04-15 12:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-15 12:33 PM runs4fun - 2018-04-15 12:24 PM I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too. Jus sayin’. As far as I know the producers dont set the fees on the stalls and shavings the facillity that they rent from sits the prices on stalls. Thats why if you do have to get a refund from the race because of a sick or hurt horse you lose your stall money.. I had to pull out of a race at the ANHA years ago because my hore got hurt after paying a early fee, I got a percentage of my money back from the producer but the stall fee was a separate fee..
Oh I was wondering about that, so thats why all the high stall fees.. Hummmm, had a producter tell me that they dont make money off the stall charges.. Oh well you learn something new everyday..  |
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| It’s according to the producer...some do and some don’t. We have to always remember that producers are very individual about how they do things. Some are greedier than others. Some more professional than others, some more trustworthy than others....some really do just want to put on good barrel races and clear a little money, some just want to put on a show and make a lot of money. |
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Location: Missouri | Also, when you pay fees online you get charged a percentage. The race the poster is referring to there is a 3% charge for using your card. With what my stalls, RV spot, entries and office charge, I'll be paying an additional $8.40 by entering online. You can however send a check so that will be the route I'm taking. Save myself $7.92 and I can buy a few cheeseburgers, lol. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Wild1 - 2018-04-12 6:01 PM
CanCan - 2018-04-13 3:16 PM
I don’t mind late fee if it’s reasonable. My pet peeve is the ridiculous office fees. Not to Mention the way producers gig barrel racers for stalls and RVs. Find a roper and ask how much they pay for stalls at that same venue. We are just dumb enough to keep paying the rising cost. I choose not to go to the races that are overpriced.
Ditto with this post!! $15/day is rediculous for a late fee! Plus these bigger barrel races around me are now charging $75/stall, or a $20 jump out fee, daily fee, office fee, online fee, $8/bag shavings fee some say you MUST buy there, etc.. I'm sorry but not all of us are placing in the top 1D to win all these crazy fees back. It's really taken the fun out of going and enjoying our 2 and 3D horses. Might as well stay local
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| There are several shows that are close to me that I do not attend due to all the fees. When it will cost me over 100$ to make one run, and most are fees- I boycott. No one cares that I do. There seems to still be plenty of people willing to pay the fees, and as long as that is the case.... I also hate shows with no tie out-and you must by a stall, even if only going one day/ or you have to pay the whole $25 processing fee to run one day. Modify fees for people who can only attend one day. I totally get how hard it is to put on a good show and find help, but to have to spend a weeks salary on one weekend just takes the fun out of the whole thing. |
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| I'm not far from AZ and it USED TO BE that you could haul to Buckeye, where they have the huge winter races and futurities and the entry fees were reasonable/Low for the amount of added money ( like 40.00 fees for 1,000 added)and stalls were 10.00 a night per horse. You could also tie out or bring portables. You could win some serious cash for not very much entry fee or office charges. But I think the facility changed hands and now you have the big huge races like the Greg Olson, etc and now its just like everyone described. Expensive stalls, office fees, etc. And you know what, they get like 500 entries still. I have found the people that go to those don't have regular jobs like some of us. We can't just go park for a month. |
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| Tbred - 2018-04-17 9:22 AM
Also, when you pay fees online you get charged a percentage. The race the poster is referring to there is a 3% charge for using your card. With what my stalls, RV spot, entries and office charge, I'll be paying an additional $8.40 by entering online. You can however send a check so that will be the route I'm taking. Save myself $7.92 and I can buy a few cheeseburgers, lol.
I know right!? I tried to do that and I was just like heck, I much rather enter on site and pay the late fee! you are still saving money than pre-entering! I am still not too crazy about the late feel though. If it was a 500+ riders race I would understand they want their entries sooner so they can plan ahead but I doubt it will be THAT BIG. Anyways, it just gave me something to complaint about LOL. |
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BHW New Catch of the Day
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Location: Missouri | love2ridepre - 2018-04-17 11:27 AM
Tbred - 2018-04-17 9:22 AM
Also, when you pay fees online you get charged a percentage. The race the poster is referring to there is a 3% charge for using your card. With what my stalls, RV spot, entries and office charge, I'll be paying an additional $8.40 by entering online. You can however send a check so that will be the route I'm taking. Save myself $7.92 and I can buy a few cheeseburgers, lol.
I know right!? I tried to do that and I was just like heck, I much rather enter on site and pay the late fee! you are still saving money than pre-entering! I am still not too crazy about the late feel though. If it was a 500+ riders race I would understand they want their entries sooner so they can plan ahead but I doubt it will be THAT BIG. Anyways, it just gave me something to complaint about LOL.
There isn't a late fee for this one, but there is for the rest of them starting with the May weekend. I'm not going to be able to get my stalls or RV till I get there Friday, but I'm not too worried as all the spots weren't taken all last year anyway. See ya this weekend girlie! |
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| I understand office fees. Putting a race takes a lot of time and it is a big expense too! I don't like them either but I understand why some producers used them.
I know for fact that if everyone starts adding all these fees, I am not going to be able to afford to run one horse let alone both of them! |
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Location: In my own little world | Dang...it's posts like this that make me want to in its each and everyone of you to come spend time with me as a producer, follow me around for a day, a week, a month, 2 months, 4 months etc leading up to events. You make it sound as tho producers are making a killing off of each of you! That haul in fee...might just be because the producer is charged a parking lot clean up/maintenance on top of arena rental. (Thanks to those who clean out the back of their horse trailers and leave it in the parking lot or that horse tied their all day that dug a hole to China in the ground.).
That admin/processing fee helps pay for office staff that try to politely take care of any issues you may have, accommodate you in any way possible, listen to every concern andbproblem you have, have your payout check to you as quickly as possible after the last run, has barely had time to take a bathroom break lest alone grab a bite to eat, is the 1st one there and the last to leave.
That facility contract I sign states I pay for the facility whether the event happens or is cancelled. So that outbreak of (insert current contagious disease here) that has shut down any equine events, in still responsible for paying for that facility plus I have already purchased the liability insurance policy in advance because 1) it is a requirement of facility rental and 2) no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions and are sue happy thus pushing
the cost up for everyone.
And let's not forget if I use the facility tractor/groomer that costs me $35 everytime it starts up times raking after every 5 (just a minor expense right!)
We pay our office help, barrel setters, tractor drivers, gate people, yada yada. We listen to nonstop concerns (complaints) all day long, we hear how you are all buckle and dined to death, we are criticized if we say one thing that can be perceived in a negative tone, or my favorite...when someone doesn't get what they want is "you do realize who I am don't you?" Um ya and everyone is treated the same no matter their status!
Comparing barrel races to team ropings is not even applicable. Team ropers don't care that their draw isn't posted at least a week in advance and 100 if them ask everyday "when will the draw be posted!"). They just want to rope. I've produced both. And the costs of producing a team roping all come out of that entry fee, they just do n't break it down like a barrel racing producer does. And for the
who have early entry, that is it, you either are entered by the entry deadline or you aren't entered.
I can only speak for my region of the country as that is how it's done here. I bare all the costs, take all the risks, deal with any complaints (which for me are few and far between) and when the last horse runs I still have many hours and a lot of paperwork ahead of me. If it were easy and we were getting rich producing, everyone would be doing it. But they aren't. So appreciate what you have, go to those you prefer to enter, stay away from those you don't and if you can't plan in advance, your problem should not become someone else's problem.
A late entry is kind of like an "after hours call". It costs you more.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-15 1:43 PM
rodeomom3 - 2018-04-15 12:45 PM Southtxponygirl - 2018-04-15 12:33 PM runs4fun - 2018-04-15 12:24 PM I wonder if the producer would have gotten a refund on stall and facility rental they paid? If not, giving out refunds would have probably done it for them, too. Jus sayin’. As far as I know the producers dont set the fees on the stalls and shavings the facillity that they rent from sits the prices on stalls. Thats why if you do have to get a refund from the race because of a sick or hurt horse you lose your stall money.. I had to pull out of a race at the ANHA years ago because my hore got hurt after paying a early fee, I got a percentage of my money back from the producer but the stall fee was a separate fee..
LOL. It may not be the case for ALL producers, but I know facilities here charge roughly $50-$55 per stall to the producer, and then the producer charges contestants $65-75/stall. Same goes for electrical sites sold.
If a producer says they are not making money on stalls, it might be because the facility takes 100% of the stall money and they have a lower facility rental fee? Who knows. . . could go either way I am sure. |
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