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Queen Bean of Ponyland
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Location: WYOMING | r_beau - 2018-06-22 5:43 PM
GeronaBean: I suppose a matter of semantics, but I guess I don't call that rooting. I do understand what you mean though.
RnRJack: Not that I need to explain myself, but let me clarify that I did NOT say I haven't been riding him. I do ride most nights after work. I just have not been able to work in the arena on the pattern. So we ride on the trail for conditioning and general training. It has been raining (thank goodness, we need it!) and the arena just has not been dry enough to be safe to do some good pattern work. I'm not going to risk injury to him if the ground isn't right. I can't control the weather.
I also had to take a week off from riding due to tendonitis in my right arm. I couldn't even change my own clothes, it was so bad. No way I was going to be able to saddle and ride a horse. I sure didn't like letting him sit for an entire week but there was nothing I could do until it got better.
Yeah I know "excuses" but I'm doing the best I can with things I can't control.
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| If you look at this picture of you (o gosh i hope it loads) look at your upper body position, your shoulders are set to keep going to the fence, he's set and actually wanting to work but can't with the way you are positioned. I can also see how stiff your leg looks when you go to the horn, and again I can see him want to get down and work but when he does you pop on his back and shoot him forward.
You can work on this on the trail, I practice my perfect barrel all the time at a walk adound a rock, branch, clump of grass ext. This post has a lot of great advice much of wi h I needed to read too!
I would really work on you and your core (boy do I know what babies do to that) I think he looks like a great honest little horse. Best of luck to you.
I give up with the picture you can PM me if you want it via email lol
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | geronabean - 2018-06-22 5:47 PM
r_beau - 2018-06-22 5:43 PM
GeronaBean: I suppose a matter of semantics, but I guess I don't call that rooting. I do understand what you mean though.
RnRJack: Not that I need to explain myself, but let me clarify that I did NOT say I haven't been riding him. I do ride most nights after work. I just have not been able to work in the arena on the pattern. So we ride on the trail for conditioning and general training. It has been raining (thank goodness, we need it!) and the arena just has not been dry enough to be safe to do some good pattern work. I'm not going to risk injury to him if the ground isn't right. I can't control the weather.
I also had to take a week off from riding due to tendonitis in my right arm. I couldn't even change my own clothes, it was so bad. No way I was going to be able to saddle and ride a horse. I sure didn't like letting him sit for an entire week but there was nothing I could do until it got better.
Yeah I know "excuses" but I'm doing the best I can with things I can't control.
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Sounds lke you got it all figured out.
I wasn’t trying to sound rude but its better to not beat around the bush, I ride with some pretty awesome trainers who don’t sugar coat anything. I’m taking basic colt starting lessons from a Reiner now and oh boy the things I’m learning are quite amazing, and it can all be applied to the barrel pattern. Sorry for getting on a rant but I know what the struggle of running young horses when you’re still learning yourself is like! Take it from me, it’s not easy but we’re jhsy trying to help.
I’m sorry about your tendinitis but maybe like someone said just exhibition for a while, or take it real slow until it’s correct. I know what it’s like to want to go out and make a run believe me, I only have one running horse right now and it stinks having just one but I’d rather that horse last me many years.
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Location: North Dakota | Meep.Meep - 2018-06-22 4:47 PM Whenever you ask for critique or advice you get very defensive and argumentative...
And I seem to recall you feel the need to post this exact comment every time. Are you mad or something I didn't reply to the private message you sent me?
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Born not Made
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Location: North Dakota | Della: Your picture isn't showing. I'll shoot you my email. Yes, I need to work on my upper body position.
Not quite sure I know what you mean (or where exactly in the run) about me bouncing and "shooting" him forward. Can you say the time on the video? ...... I know ... my arse still has a good extra 10 pounds on it. Darn babies!
Oh, we are doing walking and trotting small circles on the trail. I mess with him all the time like that, among other things. But I know where I need the practice the most is at a lope, and I don't feel safe doing anything other than large circles (no barrel sized circles) on the grass and amongst the gopher/mole holes.
Ha. And he's not little.  He's 15.3 hands!
RnRJack: I didn't take you as rude. I just wanted to make sure you knew that I wasn't just not riding him at all.
Most certainly when I ask for a critique here, I am not expecting sugar coated answers, nor do I want them.
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | What kind of saddle are you riding in? I think the twist may be wide for you to were you cant keep your seat, you bounce out of the seat quite a bit and have alot of movement going on, so to me the twist of the saddle is to wide for you.. I think going to a clinic would be a good thing for you to help you with your timing. I would slow this horse back down, he dont look like hes really for the speed that you are trying to ask of him, hes does look confused, especially going to the second barrel in that first video, maybe hes feeling you moving around in the saddle and going with your movements.
But I would look into a good clinic in your area or look for someone that can help you out with your horse and yourself. |
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| r_beau - 2018-06-23 8:50 AM
Meep.Meep - 2018-06-22 4:47 PM Whenever you ask for critique or advice you get very defensive and argumentative...
And I seem to recall you feel the need to post this exact comment every time. Are you mad or something I didn't reply to the private message you sent me? Â
I have never posted on any of your threads before that I can recall....And no, not mad you didn't reply, just gave you some advice you can take it or leave it and from your responses to everyone's advice I can tell you will leave it 
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Location: Broxton, Ga | I would slow work some at a walk stopping let him rest in that rate spot.........as for you....you nailed it 2 hands longer you are going to the horn way to soon and literally throwing him away to turn on his own....I would gather him up a tad more and then go the the horn.....and he is trying. I like his style.... |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RnRJack - 2018-06-22 10:07 PM geronabean - 2018-06-22 5:47 PM r_beau - 2018-06-22 5:43 PM GeronaBean: I suppose a matter of semantics, but I guess I don't call that rooting. I do understand what you mean though.
RnRJack: Not that I need to explain myself, but let me clarify that I did NOT say I haven't been riding him. I do ride most nights after work. I just have not been able to work in the arena on the pattern. So we ride on the trail for conditioning and general training. It has been raining (thank goodness, we need it!) and the arena just has not been dry enough to be safe to do some good pattern work. I'm not going to risk injury to him if the ground isn't right. I can't control the weather.
I also had to take a week off from riding due to tendonitis in my right arm. I couldn't even change my own clothes, it was so bad. No way I was going to be able to saddle and ride a horse. I sure didn't like letting him sit for an entire week but there was nothing I could do until it got better.
Yeah I know "excuses" but I'm doing the best I can with things I can't control.
Sounds lke you got it all figured out. I wasn’t trying to sound rude but its better to not beat around the bush, I ride with some pretty awesome trainers who don’t sugar coat anything. I’m taking basic colt starting lessons from a Reiner now and oh boy the things I’m learning are quite amazing, and it can all be applied to the barrel pattern. Sorry for getting on a rant but I know what the struggle of running young horses when you’re still learning yourself is like! Take it from me, it’s not easy but we’re jhsy trying to help. I’m sorry about your tendinitis but maybe like someone said just exhibition for a while, or take it real slow until it’s correct. I know what it’s like to want to go out and make a run believe me, I only have one running horse right now and it stinks having just one but I’d rather that horse last me many years. Do you have anyone that helps you at the races?
I didnt see you as being rude, I saw it as you giving your opinion, there's alot of great advice on here |
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 Balance Beam and more...
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Location: 31 lengths farms | You had some really good advice on here but I'm gonna chime in because I've been thru these growing pains myself on a horse that isn't seasoned and a few mild fractures in my back but no baby at home to have to schedule around. Reining training is great but doesn't really teach them to rate a barrel, especially if we go one handed too soon. You may want a tad more bridle so you can leave him be headed to the first, ride him up there, ask for rate and give IF he rates and doesn't push back on your hands. Remember your reining training, ride back to front. I think he just needs to be held together a bit more at this point, maybe 2 handed thru the turns a few times. He looks like he wants to get along and try for you. |
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The Advice Guru
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| From what I see in the videos the horse has no rate.
From what I read in the comments, you say the arena is too wet to work in.
You start teaching rate at a walk. You do not need good footing to start teaching the basics of rate.
Crappy ground even grass can do a lot to teach a horse balance and shortening the stride.
You don't need barrel work to teach rate, I suggest going back to dry work and teaching rate, he has the run down, but nothing else. |
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Gettin Jiggy Wit It
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| Â Maybe I've missed it... And I do agree he needs help like other posters say but, on another note before he is drilled on slow work, has he had a lameness? He looked better to the left two barrels in both videos and maybe not helping him is doing it on the first barrel... But he was dumping on the front end when rating. So much he looked like he was going to fall. He seemed reluctant to stick the inside right hind in the ground. Like I said it maybe seasoning or a matter of helping him more type of thing but if you haven't already, I'd get a quick lameness done on him first. |
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