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Location: Georgia | Wild1 - 2018-08-17 5:49 PM
Well I bought my first bag today...now, curious to what amounts you are all feeding per day? The bag says several meals a day as a snack, well I have a full time job. Mine get grain in the morning and evening. I'm excited to try this thanks for all the replies
I give 1 measuring 1 cup full with each feeding (x2 a day) and ill give 1 cup again before a stressful situation, example... about 30 minutes before a run. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I didnot look at what it is but it is working on my3. It is in Strategy and Ultium but I bought a bag Outlast for my guy on Hayrite and Total Equine. I give him a cup am/pm and 30 mins out . Same w other 2 on the Strategy , just 30 mins out but no extra. He was not jiggy or unfocused at Shootout but still ran same times as at BBR . He is very big so if he gets silly or pully he is hard to hold. Indoors he is pretty good, outdoors at night Rodeos he gets real stupid hyper or spooky.
I noticed a difference in the 2 on new Strategy in 2 days how much calmer they were , no grouchiness or picking on each other ( now a month). The other only a week .Because of how good they were I thought I would try it on him.Am scared to take him off TE as he has allergies .
. I think I am going to do the broodie n foal on Strategy also until he is weaned then Ultium growth for him. ($$$)The Purina mix for maresfoal was grain based and got all over ground and attracted flies . At 90 plus for months no good. |
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| I cannot answer your question about what is in it. I can answer I have bought a bag and won't need to buy another. Horses didn't like eating it and if I did manage to sneak it to one I noticed no difference. I have a friend and relative that feel it wasn't helpful for preventing ulcers too. Thank you for your post. |
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| mandita8907 - 2018-08-20 7:39 AM
Wild1 - 2018-08-17 5:49 PM
Well I bought my first bag today...now, curious to what amounts you are all feeding per day? The bag says several meals a day as a snack, well I have a full time job. Mine get grain in the morning and evening. I'm excited to try this thanks for all the replies
I give 1 measuring 1 cup full with each feeding (x2 a day ) and ill give 1 cup again before a stressful situation, example... about 30 minutes before a run.
I do this also.. All of my horses love it.. |
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Location: South Dakota | 3TurnsonSpud - 2018-08-20 1:57 PM mandita8907 - 2018-08-20 7:39 AM Wild1 - 2018-08-17 5:49 PM Well I bought my first bag today...now, curious to what amounts you are all feeding per day? The bag says several meals a day as a snack, well I have a full time job. Mine get grain in the morning and evening. I'm excited to try this thanks for all the replies I give 1 measuring 1 cup full with each feeding (x2 a day ) and ill give 1 cup again before a stressful situation, example... about 30 minutes before a run. I do this also.. All of my horses love it..
My horses love it as well!! |
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| I'm on my 2nd bag and I have to say I've noticed a significant change in my normally really cinchy, spooks at anything and everything, and will look for things to booger at, just because horse. I feed about 2 cups a day topdressed on their grain. I'll keep it in my program. He rides off very relaxed and quit his silly spooking nonsense by more than 75% of the time.. he was so bad about it, it is a running joke in my family and circle of friends. |
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| rockinas - 2018-08-19 8:24 PM
IDK what's in it, but none of my horses will eat it!
Your the first person I've ever heard say that about Outlast. I know around 80 or so head on it and none turn up their noses.
Your gonna pretty much see it in every trainer's feed room on the back side at the moment because it keeps horses eating when before they would go off feed and you have to give some type of generic or real ulcer meds. Now with this stuff you can give it to them top dressed on feed, they will literally just eat the outlast wait around 30mins and come back for the feed. Before you'd have to dose with meds which is expense for the real deal and then generic takes away time to crush or syringe up. Outlast is fixing that.
It's basically just a horse tums with calcium carbonate. It helps keep their nerves down when fed as a snack without feed or anything to haul them for works. Its extremely useful for nervous horses, horses that go off feed (happens alot after a work, race, or extensive vet work), and bottom line it keeps them eating to where they stay strong for training preventing injuries or other things like a cold from a weakened immune system.
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Location: WI | My mare had diarrhea for a week straight and I couldn't figure out anything else and after talking to the vet still no answer so I decided to start treating for ulcers. I gave 1/4 tube of ulcergard and started on Outlast and not even 8 hours later her diarrhea was gone and she was pooping normal. Was it the ulcergard or was it the Al last hard to say or maybe it was a combination but for the $40 a big I'll keep feeding it and see what happens |
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Location: my piece of paradise | Gave it a good go and fed for 5 months, never saw a difference. I will stick to GastroPLUS and GI ulcer support from THE. Not saying it doesn't work, but it did not in my program. |
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Location: West Texas | Purina Outlast = alfalfa, wheat middlings, calcium, molasses, magnesium oxide, citric acid (preservative). My humble opinion....don't fall for it, save your money.
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Location: South Dakota | Tdove - 2018-08-22 9:00 AM Purina Outlast = alfalfa, wheat middlings, calcium, molasses, magnesium oxide, citric acid (preservative). My humble opinion....don't fall for it, save your money.
What would you suggest instead? Would Forco be the better way to go for digestive support? TIA. |
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Location: Georgia | Tdove - 2018-08-22 10:00 AM
Purina Outlast = alfalfa, wheat middlings, calcium, molasses, magnesium oxide, citric acid (preservative). My humble opinion....don't fall for it, save your money.
Yeah this is why it took me so long to try it. I think I tried out 4 or 5 other products first. Finally got some Purina coupons and gave Outlast a try and it has done wonders for my horse. If you havent tried it yet I would try it before you knock it. |
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Location: Willows, CA | It is hard to list the true active in this product due to AAFCO label definitions. The marine algae that at least part of the calcium is sourced from is Lithothamnion. A mouthful I know, but very effective at neutralizing acid due to it's unique structure that has a honey comb type make up that increases surface area greatly. It also has a long effective time compared to conventional limestone sourced calcium and is kind of like a time release. We have worked extensively with this and have a different approach to formulation with no fillers coming out in the next few weeks. The technology that Purina is using here is hard to see in their analysis, but if there is enough in there it should work. Not too sure about the all the other ingredients, but what they have as a active does work. |
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Location: West Texas | https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691512001123
Here is one study that found no gastric protection from Lithothamnion calcareum algae in laboratory test on rats.
I just don't believe in it. If you use it and like it, that is great. I certainly think there are many ways to feed and you have just as much right to have your preferences.
Personally, I feel the best way to approach ulcers is to feed as well as possible. We feed high inclusions of alfalfa with natural and whole feed ingredients, concentrated on anti-inflammation. We do not have any issues with ulcers, though I realize that sometimes ulcers can develop and need treatment.
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| Mine ate it right up for about a month. Then went off of it. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Tdove - 2018-08-22 5:03 PM
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691512001123
Here is one study that found no gastric protection from Lithothamnion calcareum algae in laboratory test on rats.
I just don't believe in it. If you use it and like it, that is great. I certainly think there are many ways to feed and you have just as much right to have your preferences.
Personally, I feel the best way to approach ulcers is to feed as well as possible. We feed high inclusions of alfalfa with natural and whole feed ingredients, concentrated on anti-inflammation. We do not have any issues with ulcers, though I realize that sometimes ulcers can develop and need treatment.
Good thing that we are not feeding rats. More info to follow.
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| It's so odd to me that so many have horses that won't eat it. Even my pickiest horse will eat it straight from my hand. I'll admit it has a strange odor, almost reminds me of what my daughter use to feed her Guinea pigs lol! But my crew gobbles it right up without issue. |
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Location: Willows, CA | I can’t comment on the overall formula and horses willingness to eat the Purina products or not. There is a lot of stuff in there that we do not ever use. I can say that after more than a year of trials that there is measurable relief from the active if the right species is used and fed in the proper amount. We have worked in a totally different direction in formulation with no fillers or molasses and have had no issues getting horses to eat it. Every horse is different though, and some are just pickier than others. I don’t know how much or what species of the active is in the Purina feeds that include it, but if enough is in there their product should be effective to some degree. |
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Location: TN | winwillows - 2018-08-22 2:20 PM It is hard to list the true active in this product due to AAFCO label definitions. The marine algae that at least part of the calcium is sourced from is Lithothamnion. A mouthful I know, but very effective at neutralizing acid due to it's unique structure that has a honey comb type make up that increases surface area greatly. It also has a long effective time compared to conventional limestone sourced calcium and is kind of like a time release. We have worked extensively with this and have a different approach to formulation with no fillers coming out in the next few weeks. The technology that Purina is using here is hard to see in their analysis, but if there is enough in there it should work. Not too sure about the all the other ingredients, but what they have as a active does work.
Win, are you saying Renew Gold is coming out with a version of ulcer protection added-in? I sure do hope so! |
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